I'm hopeful that the Arizona Supreme Court will intervene in a timely manner. Clearly, there is no need for a doom storm when the TRO is granted. This is just one battle in the war.
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Ignore the judge. The AZ state senators and legislators should head down down to the audit and make their presence known. They should hold fast with the auditors. Get some crews from OANN and other streamers down there (crowder, candance etc) to interview the senate and the people. Show the people the truth. This is a legislative matter, not a judicial one. Fight the fascist judicial branch!
If a TRO, what happens to what I heard was a deadline of 5/14 on the space being used at the convention center?
Well, if a TRO is actually put in place and not stayed or overturned, then we lose time and the senate will need to secure additional facilities. It will suck, but the senate is clear that they won't be deterred. Also, it is possible that the senate will order the audit to continue in defiance of the TRO and challenge the sheriff to try to physically intervene. Once again, the goal being to run out the clock.
It's extremely likely that the TRO will be put in place tomorrow, but will be stayed pending appeal. The appeals court is likely to cuck out too and keep it in place, but stayed.
Meanwhile, we are hoping that we have either run out the clock or the AZ supreme court rules and throws it out. They could either rule on the pre-emptive motion filed by the senate, or by this case working its way up.
Now, I could be wrong, and maybe the TRO is put in place and not stayed. If that happens, and if no one else intervenes, then we have a serious challenge and problem.
F me, let’s destroy these m’f’ers
I think you are right. My guess is the judge will shut it down. Our guy is out numbered.
That's what 70 dem lawyers are trying to figure out. If you come up with something, keep it to yer self!
The judge can simply determine that there is sufficient grounds for concern as to the protection of voter's rights and order a temporary pause until these issues are addressed.
The judge indicated that there is an offramp to this dispute, which would be to publish the policies and procedures of the audit publicly. Now, this would be very bad for our side, because it gives the enemies specific targets to shoot at. It would also allow the enemy to create the counter narrative to what will be uncovered. That being said, it seems that we have cards in our hand to be played.
My understanding from the end of the hearing is that the judge is leaning towards an extension of the TRO, but to place a stay on the order pending immediate appeal to the district court. Assuming that is what transpires, we will have a couple days while this gets docketed and scheduled.
Most likely the district court will do something similar, kicking the ball up to the state supreme court.
Meanwhile, the AZ Senate is working top down, with a hearing before the AZ Supreme Court to rule that the courts do not have jurisdiction here due to separation of powers.
All in all, it feels to me like the wheels of justice might not move faster than the limited timeframe involved. I believe we will simply run out the clock on those questions.
Thanks for a great comment ! Hopefully the Arizona Senate’s case with the State Supreme Court prevails. While it is still open it might make any lower court judge hesitant to rule, even on a TRO. Plus, if I read it correctly, the previous judge was on record saying he didn’t see a legal basis for stopping the audit. Keep praying.
Policies and procedures being highlighted isn't the same as giving up proprietary technology being used by the audit teams. From what I can gather, Cyber Ninjas and Pulitzer's methods are different enough that there's at least 2 methods being deployed here. Kind of like doing a double blind study. If that's the case, then the policies and procedures outlined by the Senate would be ok to release. The judge has no authority to order Pulitzer or CN to release their methods. Methodology is different from policy or procedure.
It will be interesting, if the plaintiff claims that it is the methodology which will determine the threat to the sanctity of the ballot. The methodology, it could be argued might or might not permanently alter the ballot, resulting in harm to the voter whose ballot is no longer in its original condition.
The plaintiff can take the position that the protection of intellectual property is not their concern, rather the sanctity of the ballot.
Note - a few months ago, the tables were exactly turned, and it was the cabal side claiming intellectual property rights prevented the court from ordering an audit of the internals of the voting machine.
Not being a doomer, but how many times are we going to allow ourselves to get screwed over, let down again and set back several more yards? This is the endgame here imo, we won't win this at our 9-5s or in the comfort of our homes. Our participation is necessary, we were called upon in January to take a peaceful stand by showing force in our numbers and everyday since we've been no more present than your typical internet troll. The freedom lovers of this country are the majority, not the fringe left propped up by media, corrupt politicians and ceos. If we don't make ourselves visible to the point of no longer being able to be ignored and stuffed under the rug we will lose this country. This has become a country full of complacent pansies.
I agree with the principle, but I know how group psychology works. We are just not there yet. Generally speaking, people only take drastic action when they feel mortally threatened. There are the few noble people, who take action based upon principle, faith and philosophy, but they are too few.
So - I agree that the country will not be saved without mass action. I do not believe we have reached that point yet. First, our economic comfort has not been disrupted. Our parental sovereignty is like our economic comfort - threatened, but not really disrupted. Our individual survival is similarly threatened, but not really. It's just not the right conditions for a mass uprising. A mass uprising triggered by moral indignation is next to fantastical.
I believe all roads lead to a crisis severe enough for Americans to be willing to stare down guns and tanks, it's just not now.
This is the people's turn now (legislative branch) as it always should have been. Keep going and don't stop regardless of judicial abuse. Judges and executive branch hacks all can be bought. Surround these workers with a wall of protection until they're done.