Ok, so, after reading the wide variety of cited reports regarding India... this is confusing the hell out of me.... either:
1.) The case load in India was fake and overhyped from the US Media outlets... or:
2.) The case load was real and HCQ/Ivermectin has curbed the outbreak
It can't be both.
Regarding #1, I thought the multitude of posts juxtaposing India's media reports vs. the USA MSM headlines was compelling. It made it seem very obvious that the "outbreak" narrative was fabricated by various outlets. India was explicitly calling out the fake news for the supposed outbreaks.
Regarding #2, from what I've read, these are very effective. But effective against what!? Is COVID a thing or not? Do these drugs just help stop severe flu like symptoms in any illness? Is CV19 a modified flu variant?
Still seems hard for me to believe that we could all go off and research the same things and come back with totally unique conclusions.
This makes it very difficult to redpill people in a sea of subjective truths.
Here's a way to reconcile the two points which as you mention could be in contradiction. I've done some reading on the India situation, but haven't read all of the material I've dug up on it.
India has done remarkably well compared to many countries throughout the pandemic, in large part because of their widespread use of Ivermectin and HCQ. As such, their mortality rate for COVID was substantially lower (comparable to that of a seasonal flu), whereas COVID in Western countries (where Ivermectin and HCQ were not heavily utilized), the mortality rate of COVID was maybe 2-3x worse than a severe flu , with ~0.15% averaged over age groups (still not bad, but worse than India). The statistic of 0.15% is of course inflated by counting flu deaths and co-morbidity deaths as being caused by COVID.
I've read that around January, India's usage of Ivermectin dropped off. They supposedly switched to a less effective treatment. As such, the cases and deaths began to rise to levels more typical of Western countries, with that (inflated) mortality of ~0.15%
Coverage from our MSM was dishonest, in that what happened in India could not happen in the West (it was an apple to oranges comparison). Our mortality wouldn't suddenly rise, because we were already near the 0.15% (whereas India was simply making up ground on us, so to speak). Our MSM played this off as "variants" for their scare tactics.
Coverage from India's MSM may have also been a bit dishonest, in favor of reducing panic and anger within the country (i.e. , political stability). But I don't belive it was nearly as dishonest as our MSM. I did hear that the Indian hospitals weren't that bad there in terms of COVID, and even if the rate of cases and deaths increased by say a factor of 2-3x, it would not amount to the crisis our MSM portrayed it to be.
That brings us to around now. India reverts back to using Ivermectin and HCQ more heavily, cases and deaths begin to drop.
The one point I haven't touched on here is their vaccine effort. I've read that the rise in cases and deaths in India also coincides with their mass vaccinations, but haven't read enough to comment on whether I believe the vaccines to have played a significant role in the situation taking place in India or not.
Hopefully that helps you make sense of the seemingly contradictory narratives coming from 'our side' on this topic.
If I were trying to red pill someone on India specifically, then I'd probably still want to do some more digging to be able to answer some counter points more fully (this digging might also reveal more nuance or slight modifications to the above breakdown of the situation). Overall though, I believe the above roughly captures the big picture for India's COVID "crisis".
With that said, there is one story related to the India story which does serve as a potentially good, stand alone red pill (without getting into all of the other context for the India situation). That's the gas leak explosion photo from either a year ago or a decade ago (not sure which it is, I've seen it as 1 year and 11 years in separate reporting) being portrayed as "people dying in the streets of COVID in India, be afraid of the Indian variant!" by our MSM. Great example of fake news and MSM manipulation. When they got caught, they retracted that part of the story, replacing the photo with another from India.
Thanks for that amazing response - gave me some solid leads to dig into.
The reduction of treatment options, paired w/ faulty testing/comorbidity and the potential of mass vaccinations being administered... could very well have been the fuel to the USA's post-COVID fire, with the intention of most certainly leveraging fear to once again spike panic/vaccinations in the US.
My pleasure.
You've worded it well. The whole point of the MSM's obsession with India was to fear monger, which allows our governments to leverage that panic to push further lockdown restrictions and the vaccines.
One of the sources I pulled from for the above breakdown can be found here:
https://greatawakening.win/p/12iNitmdE2/breakdown-of-indias-covid-situat/c/
Also see the graph here, and the video link provided below it:
https://files.catbox.moe/e3ymct.pdf
I created that flyer before I had learned about the usage of HCQ in India (at the time I was only aware of the widespread use of Ivermectin in India).
Overall though, it's consistent with the above breakdown. Just missing some details, given that there was limited room to write it all on one page & that not all was known at that time which we now know.
I think that they are effective only for coronavirus colds and flu, not for rhinovirus.
Remember that COVID is less contagious and less deadly than the regular seasonal sniffles.
India may have had an "outbreak" and nothing happened because people just got on with their lives.
It does look as if the COVID-19 situation in India is being hyped. Look at the statistics. Go to the third chart titled: "Country Comparer". Remove one of the countries so you can add India. Then choose either "Cases" or "Deaths".
OK, India looks to be far worse than, say, the UK. Now ratio the charts so they reflect percentage of the population. Sadly, you have to do that mentally as far as I can see. India's population is about twenty times that of the UK so divide the Indian numbers by 20 and you can see that the number of cases in India is far below the UK peak.
India is so far down the list (deaths per 100k) that it doesn't show on the top 40. India has about 20 deaths per 100k compared to the U.S. which has 179 deaths per 100k. It's definitely being blown out of proportion.