• The Elections Department transported the subpoenaed material from
the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center (MCTEC) to your
custody at the Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in box trucks
secured with a tamper-evident seal after being loaded at MCTEC.
• MCSO deputies observed the trucks being loaded and then escorted
the trucks to the Coliseum.
• Mr. Bennett gave approval to unload each truck. All the tamper-evident
seals were photographed by the Senate’s contractors as well as by
County representatives to confirm that the seals were still intact. And,
Mr. Bennett or his designee personally observed each seal being
broken before the trucks were unloaded.
And here we have it. This is broken chain of custody right here. They are claiming they weren't broken when sent, and were broken upon arrival. Its he said she said BS. This is how you fuck up a secure audit: doubt. When were they broken? Lets throw out the audit as a whole.
It'd be terrible if all of this was filmed. Just saying.
Anyways, the rest of the detail here is basically a them saying we did everything correctly, it was your guys that f'd this up.
Here is the real sauce here:
Early ballots returned by voters to MCTEC are placed into batches of
approximately 200 ballots and then examined by bipartisan Early Ballot
Processing Boards (“EV Processing Boards”). The EV Processing Boards
check the ballots in each batch with the human eye to determine whether, in
their judgment, the ballots are capable of being tabulated by the tabulation
machines, or whether they are damaged such that they will not be read by the
machines but must be duplicated pursuant to statute (A.R.S. § 16-621(A)).
Examples of damaged ballots that cannot be read by the tabulators include
ballots that are ripped or those that have had a drink spilled on them.
Because it is obvious the tabulators will not read such damaged ballots, those
ballots are removed from the batch and sent to a bipartisan Ballot Duplication
Board to be duplicated onto a new ballot as required by statute. (A.R.S. § 16-
621(A) and Elections Procedures Manual, Chapter 10, Part II(D) at 201). All
such duplicated ballots are then tabulated by the tabulation equipment, as the
law requires. The rest of the ballots in the batch are sent to the Central Count
Tabulators to be tabulated.
But not every ballot that is sent for tabulation can be read by the tabulators.
Sometimes the voters make stray marks that interfere with the tabulation
process. Or, the early ballot is printed slightly off-center. These unreadable
ballots are rejected when inserted into the Central Count Tabulators. In these
instances, those damaged ballots are sent to the bipartisan Ballot Duplication
Boards directly from the central count tabulation center.
That is pure bullshit. Regardless if a vote is rendered damage, they NEED to hold onto it.
This is how fraud happens. Seriously. We are just going to remake these ballots because they didn't work! Of course we didn't put them in the box with the others. These is pure chicanery if there is any to be had, and without the original ballots, we can never tell who the votes for. This is honestly an attempt to dismiss a legitimate question with long winded, condescending language to make Cyber Ninjas look inept when they are trying desperately downplay the ballots were replaced and therefore not included in the boxes of the ballots.
We cannot produce what we do not possess; and, we do not
possess additional passwords.
Well I won't bother pasting their response. Here it is in playground talk:
Maricopa: We don't have them, and even if we did, you can't have them because you aren't in the cool kids club!
This was an attempt to shift the blame, aka scapegoating. Jeebus, logical fallacy 101. It doesn't address the real question posed by that statement: how can you run an election if you aren't in control of your own machines?
We will not provide your “auditors” access to the County’s
routers because doing so would compromise the security of the
County’s network, which in turn could compromise the security of
sensitive, protected and critical data.
Routers don't contain any data like that. Just IP info, and routing info. That wouldn't incriminate or jeopordize anything or anybody.
We will not attend your meeting on May 18, 2021.
You were summoned by the senate. You just opened yourself up to legal litigation. They must have weighed the option of talking or being arrested for ignoring a summons. I hope the bail they post is ridiculously high.
Your “audit” is harming all of us, and we ask you to end it.
Somebody please think of the children! The world needs to be woken up, and if crimes occurred, they need to be brought out to the light. Ignoring this is more damaging to this county's well-being than not investigating it.
I appreciate the thought, but there is enough double posting around here. Besides, I do a lot of editorializing, and I don't want anybody to assume this is the way it is.
can i ask you about the chain of custody thing... they make it sound like there are pictures of it and the seals are ok to be in the box and not out side as part of compliance? can you rephrase or dumb down how you get broken chain?
I'm just reporting what the TLDR stated. I'm sure Cyber Ninjas checked everything on arrival as best they can as this was one of the biggest issues with transporting the votes/machines.
I got a slight different take... They went on and on and on detailing the coc of the loading and delivery to Cyber Ninjas, but I don't think that was the chain of custody in question. Pretty much avoided anything like who printed the valid legal ballots, how they were distributed, how they were returned/collected... My guess is some how an ass load of fake ballots were found,...different paper, different printer.
I think the OUTSIDE boxes might have been properly sealed, but the inside boxes were the ones with issues. They would have no idea about the inside boxes until unloading them and opening the outside boxes.
Part 2 of TLDR)
Talking about the chain of custody:
• The Elections Department transported the subpoenaed material from the Maricopa County Tabulation and Election Center (MCTEC) to your custody at the Arizona Veterans Memorial Coliseum in box trucks secured with a tamper-evident seal after being loaded at MCTEC. • MCSO deputies observed the trucks being loaded and then escorted the trucks to the Coliseum. • Mr. Bennett gave approval to unload each truck. All the tamper-evident seals were photographed by the Senate’s contractors as well as by County representatives to confirm that the seals were still intact. And, Mr. Bennett or his designee personally observed each seal being broken before the trucks were unloaded.
And here we have it. This is broken chain of custody right here. They are claiming they weren't broken when sent, and were broken upon arrival. Its he said she said BS. This is how you fuck up a secure audit: doubt. When were they broken? Lets throw out the audit as a whole.
It'd be terrible if all of this was filmed. Just saying.
Anyways, the rest of the detail here is basically a them saying we did everything correctly, it was your guys that f'd this up.
Here is the real sauce here:
Early ballots returned by voters to MCTEC are placed into batches of approximately 200 ballots and then examined by bipartisan Early Ballot Processing Boards (“EV Processing Boards”). The EV Processing Boards check the ballots in each batch with the human eye to determine whether, in their judgment, the ballots are capable of being tabulated by the tabulation machines, or whether they are damaged such that they will not be read by the machines but must be duplicated pursuant to statute (A.R.S. § 16-621(A)). Examples of damaged ballots that cannot be read by the tabulators include ballots that are ripped or those that have had a drink spilled on them. Because it is obvious the tabulators will not read such damaged ballots, those ballots are removed from the batch and sent to a bipartisan Ballot Duplication Board to be duplicated onto a new ballot as required by statute. (A.R.S. § 16- 621(A) and Elections Procedures Manual, Chapter 10, Part II(D) at 201). All such duplicated ballots are then tabulated by the tabulation equipment, as the law requires. The rest of the ballots in the batch are sent to the Central Count Tabulators to be tabulated.
But not every ballot that is sent for tabulation can be read by the tabulators. Sometimes the voters make stray marks that interfere with the tabulation process. Or, the early ballot is printed slightly off-center. These unreadable ballots are rejected when inserted into the Central Count Tabulators. In these instances, those damaged ballots are sent to the bipartisan Ballot Duplication Boards directly from the central count tabulation center.
That is pure bullshit. Regardless if a vote is rendered damage, they NEED to hold onto it.
This is how fraud happens. Seriously. We are just going to remake these ballots because they didn't work! Of course we didn't put them in the box with the others. These is pure chicanery if there is any to be had, and without the original ballots, we can never tell who the votes for. This is honestly an attempt to dismiss a legitimate question with long winded, condescending language to make Cyber Ninjas look inept when they are trying desperately downplay the ballots were replaced and therefore not included in the boxes of the ballots.
We cannot produce what we do not possess; and, we do not possess additional passwords.
Well I won't bother pasting their response. Here it is in playground talk:
Maricopa: We don't have them, and even if we did, you can't have them because you aren't in the cool kids club!
This was an attempt to shift the blame, aka scapegoating. Jeebus, logical fallacy 101. It doesn't address the real question posed by that statement: how can you run an election if you aren't in control of your own machines?
We will not provide your “auditors” access to the County’s routers because doing so would compromise the security of the County’s network, which in turn could compromise the security of sensitive, protected and critical data.
Routers don't contain any data like that. Just IP info, and routing info. That wouldn't incriminate or jeopordize anything or anybody.
We will not attend your meeting on May 18, 2021.
You were summoned by the senate. You just opened yourself up to legal litigation. They must have weighed the option of talking or being arrested for ignoring a summons. I hope the bail they post is ridiculously high.
Your “audit” is harming all of us, and we ask you to end it.
Somebody please think of the children! The world needs to be woken up, and if crimes occurred, they need to be brought out to the light. Ignoring this is more damaging to this county's well-being than not investigating it.
You should take these two comments of yours and give them their own post. Love your breakdown! ;)
I appreciate the thought, but there is enough double posting around here. Besides, I do a lot of editorializing, and I don't want anybody to assume this is the way it is.
Well fine then, be that way :-P
(j/k - great comments & summation)
Great job
can i ask you about the chain of custody thing... they make it sound like there are pictures of it and the seals are ok to be in the box and not out side as part of compliance? can you rephrase or dumb down how you get broken chain?
oh and code monkey has some video of the boxes being opend or someshit
Its basically he said, she said crap.
They say there are no problems, everything was properly packed, and you signed off on it.
We say: this was sketch.
This is the most dangerous part of the audit. If they can cast enough doubt on the audit, the results can be contested.
COC ISSUES BEING ADDRESSED IN MEETING RIGHT NOW https://www.azleg.gov/videoplayer/?clientID=6361162879&eventID=2021051030
so they are saying we just signed off on it the way it came??!! no fucking way cyber ninjas would do that
I'm just reporting what the TLDR stated. I'm sure Cyber Ninjas checked everything on arrival as best they can as this was one of the biggest issues with transporting the votes/machines.
I got a slight different take... They went on and on and on detailing the coc of the loading and delivery to Cyber Ninjas, but I don't think that was the chain of custody in question. Pretty much avoided anything like who printed the valid legal ballots, how they were distributed, how they were returned/collected... My guess is some how an ass load of fake ballots were found,...different paper, different printer.
I think the OUTSIDE boxes might have been properly sealed, but the inside boxes were the ones with issues. They would have no idea about the inside boxes until unloading them and opening the outside boxes.