I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
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Okay so once I reach the age of accountability I still have to know Jesus and repent in his name? So even if i keep to my own moral code of accountability that is identical to that of Jesus, but I do not repent, am I still damned? Because I did not kneel and swear fealty and praise Jesus? I do not show praise to anyone who doesnt appreciate the time I take out of my day to seek them enough to show themself to me. Ya dig? If God or Jesus, or whoever doesnt hear that plea enough to show themself to me, far be it for me to dedicate my life to them. Lately the only signs that God exists are the signs that the Devil exists. Id like to think that if God was so much more powerful he could show himself to me. Am I taunting God now? I'm such a blasphemer! I guess he did create me in his image. Like when he made that bet with the devil and destroyed a man's life to prove himself right (story of Job)
Once you get beyond the cognitive biases that come about because you fear the unkown, you can see religion for what it is. is precisely the mentality that unless you come to the lord and repent to him, or through jesus, or allah ackbar, or whoever that justified the actions of the crusades and allowed Judeo-christian philosophy to very brutally conquer the world. Again. Its a very well played, thousands of years old psyop that has been perverted many times to appropriate other religions, i,e Christmas. Which is actually a Pagan holiday that was incorporated into Christianity to blur the lines over a couple generations to expand the influence of the vatican . Because for the people at the top it never was about congruency, or keeping with the original story, it was about expanding their base of power, and they did it well. Like I said, if God wants to come to me ill be happy when he does, but as far as im concerned he needs to meet me in the middle, and not make demands on which way I come to him. If he loves me and asks so much of me, I feel it is only fair to ask that of him. Edit, this comment also replied to another user, Inthough both comments were from the same person. Aorry for any confusion
Man I have been where you are. The reality is you don't know where one phsyop ends and another begins. In my veiw you pushing a 200 year old anti-relgion phsyop that leverages about 2000 years of authoritarian power plays layered on top of religious beleif. The net result is you are pointing out the evil of the powerful as the only example of what the meaning of Jesus is. There is a fallacy built into this. One thing does not share its meaning or interpretation uniformly across a group. Ie christ means different things to different people.
I don't care what organized religion has to say, never have, never will. But instead I have found real psychological utility in the archetype of the most good person who could exist, who was tortured and killed in proportion to how good he was. That is so patently true in so many areas of life, that we are punished for our virtues by the world around us, that it has become a daily reminder to recenter myself, "I am not that good, and I am not suffering that bad".
Be angry at religion, be angry at authority, but open up your mind.
I can recomend this lecture series that makes a rational case for the psychological utility of the Bible. It might help you sort out the phsy op from the ancestral wisdom.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat
I knew before i clicked on it you were going to link me to Jordan Peterson. Hell you write like he speaks!! Ill give him a listen, maybe someone like him can explain some of the fallacies that I find in Christianity
Best of luck with it! His approach is more about figuring out what is true in the stories rather than extracting out fallacies. But from understanding the truth, the fallacies are easier to pick out and seem almost mundane by comparison.i would also consider his "maps of meanings" lectures which covers similar psychological topics but focus on the rise of comunism as an artifact of shared psychology driven by archetypal shifts in our shared narratives. It's uses more secular subject matter to lay the groundwork for story as artifact of psychological truth (or propaganda depending on the work). I wish you the best in your journey!
Well said, my friend. An open mind and heart are among my greatest virtues to maintain. Within those virtues I find creedence to all forms in which "Christ" manifests himself. I try not to be angry because we are all in different places along our own spiritual path and if there is a higher power this is what they intended. Presumably whatever you are experiencing is what you need to grow into the next plane of existence, and no matter what you believe; I wish you well along that path
If you kept a code that is identical to Jesus' code of ethics, perfectly, then we would look to you to lead us, and you would have no need of a savior. Jesus Himself said, "Those who sick need a physician." Jesus also said:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’
The will of the Father is explicitly explained in the two greatest commandments, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Crusades were not loving.
You missed the point entirely and went off on a total tangent. According to Jesus, to procreate is to sin, so its really no surprise that nobody could put themselves on that level, its literally impossible. So ill ask this instead: Do people on islands in the middle of the ocean who have never had contact with any other humans have to worry because they never repented in Jesus name? Better go save them and teach them about Jesus!! This is how the crusades came about, fren. If I cannot read the Bible and someone has lead me astray to praise Satan because I trusted them and didn't know any better, do I still have a place in heaven? That being said; how do you know Jesus is the right savior to worship? How do you know you have not been lead astray?
Religion isnt something we come equipped to seek, it is only our fellow humans who guide us to it in my experience. Once I have something click that didnt come to me from the mouth or written word of another human, a pure spiritual experience that leads ne to "Christ" ill be open to it. Supposedly the Bible is full of accounts of those experiences so Ill wait patiently for mine. Maybe God has just been busy and he will get to me in due time. But I refuse to swear fealty out of fear, that has lead far too many down the wrong path.
Jesus never said "To procreate is a sin." He did say not everyone is 'called to be married', yet he accepted Peter as a disciple, and even healed his mother in law.
If you have never had any contact with other humans, you have no worries. God is gracious, when those who live by the light they have face God, they will not be judged on the basis of knowing Jesus' name, but will be justified on the basis of their choice to live by the light they have or not.
Those of us who know Jesus should tell others about Him, but as Paul says, we are to do it in gentleness and respect. Jesus himself rebuked his disciples when they wanted to call down fire on a city that would not admit them. This is a far cry from how the Crusades operated. (Jesus said "Fear not!" more often than he said almost anything else)
I agree, God wants you to come to Him because you recognize that he loves you, and will run to you. (NOT because you fear hell.) That is what the story of the Prodigal Son is all about.