If you read the long post i made in this thread it's all about the MSA
the "master settlement agreement" is a scheme where big tobacco pays states a portion of SALES within their state. so the more cigarettes they sell in a state like michigan, the more money big tobacco pays the state.
This is why Grethcen wHitler came out immediately trying to ban flavored nicotine vapes, because flavored vapes are costing states billions of dollars that these states took out loans against future/projected revenue.
Yes, I read it and deleted my other responses. Your expertise is GOLD. I was vaping in 2019 and was kinda interested as all that was going down. Kudos ?? Edit: NOW I REMEMBER yeah, the tobacco MSA deal, right-on.
I know a lot of guys here who were all making and selling carts in 2018. we were one of the first ones in the region who were making them because I found the counterfeit packaging when was buying and selling glass bongs to head shops using dhgate. the packaging was all from china, all based on retail packaging from recreational shops out in california. those shops were using china to make the packaging for them, so china (as they do with everything) started selling that same packaging to everyone.
we would purchase flats of 510 threaded ccell carts, and then mixed packaging of king pen boxes and stickers to make the final product. From there you would make THC concentrate, mix and decarb it on a stirring hot plate in a beaker, cut with some terpenes (flavor) then while it was still warm inject the oil into the carts and screw the mouth pieces back on.
it took some trial and error to get the viscosity right, if you know what you're doing you can achieve the proper viscosity without liquidizers... but the guys who were doing this as a hobby often just melted down some wax, splashed in some terps and then added liquidizers until they hit the right mix that would vape in a cart without running out.
We set up a nice little business, but it only lasted for a short time until everyone and their brother began selling them and the price dropped out.
it went from no problem selling them all day at 40 bucks... and people thought they wee getting a deal...
to pretty much over night people were selling them for 20 bucks.
i can tell you right now there's no way in hell you can make a cart that makes you money selling at 20 bucks unless it's full of vitamin E oil and fentanyl.
they chose this particular vitamin E oil because it had an amber color to it... so it mimiced the look of a real cart.
as soon as the market got flooded with fake dangerous bullshit we got the fuck out and stopped selling them.
i still make my own for personal use, i've got enough ccell carts sitting here to last a lifetime... but i watched it all happen... and i was running around this area well before the lung illness started warning people that the "cheap carts" were going to make people sick.
nobody listened, because they all just thought i was trying to justify "ripping them off" with a real cart that cost 40, when they could buy a fake cart for 20.
it really bothers me now to see people calling the vitamin E oil "the official story", it absolutely was not the official story until people like be began to sound the alarm that it wasn't nicotine vape, but fake carts.
Gotcha, hey thanks for taking all your time writing that. A great re-education. I always admit when I’m wrong or mis-informed. Many peeps don’t. We’re here to digg and learn to help educate others no matter the subject. -Peace Bro
If you read the long post i made in this thread it's all about the MSA
the "master settlement agreement" is a scheme where big tobacco pays states a portion of SALES within their state. so the more cigarettes they sell in a state like michigan, the more money big tobacco pays the state.
This is why Grethcen wHitler came out immediately trying to ban flavored nicotine vapes, because flavored vapes are costing states billions of dollars that these states took out loans against future/projected revenue.
Yes, I read it and deleted my other responses. Your expertise is GOLD. I was vaping in 2019 and was kinda interested as all that was going down. Kudos ?? Edit: NOW I REMEMBER yeah, the tobacco MSA deal, right-on.
I know a lot of guys here who were all making and selling carts in 2018. we were one of the first ones in the region who were making them because I found the counterfeit packaging when was buying and selling glass bongs to head shops using dhgate. the packaging was all from china, all based on retail packaging from recreational shops out in california. those shops were using china to make the packaging for them, so china (as they do with everything) started selling that same packaging to everyone.
we would purchase flats of 510 threaded ccell carts, and then mixed packaging of king pen boxes and stickers to make the final product. From there you would make THC concentrate, mix and decarb it on a stirring hot plate in a beaker, cut with some terpenes (flavor) then while it was still warm inject the oil into the carts and screw the mouth pieces back on.
it took some trial and error to get the viscosity right, if you know what you're doing you can achieve the proper viscosity without liquidizers... but the guys who were doing this as a hobby often just melted down some wax, splashed in some terps and then added liquidizers until they hit the right mix that would vape in a cart without running out.
We set up a nice little business, but it only lasted for a short time until everyone and their brother began selling them and the price dropped out.
it went from no problem selling them all day at 40 bucks... and people thought they wee getting a deal...
to pretty much over night people were selling them for 20 bucks.
i can tell you right now there's no way in hell you can make a cart that makes you money selling at 20 bucks unless it's full of vitamin E oil and fentanyl.
they chose this particular vitamin E oil because it had an amber color to it... so it mimiced the look of a real cart.
as soon as the market got flooded with fake dangerous bullshit we got the fuck out and stopped selling them.
i still make my own for personal use, i've got enough ccell carts sitting here to last a lifetime... but i watched it all happen... and i was running around this area well before the lung illness started warning people that the "cheap carts" were going to make people sick.
nobody listened, because they all just thought i was trying to justify "ripping them off" with a real cart that cost 40, when they could buy a fake cart for 20.
it really bothers me now to see people calling the vitamin E oil "the official story", it absolutely was not the official story until people like be began to sound the alarm that it wasn't nicotine vape, but fake carts.
Gotcha, hey thanks for taking all your time writing that. A great re-education. I always admit when I’m wrong or mis-informed. Many peeps don’t. We’re here to digg and learn to help educate others no matter the subject. -Peace Bro
right on man, no worries and good lookin out on having an open mind.
i'm passionate about this topic in particular because i'm so involved in it... but it's the same story as always...
government capitalizing on something to strip us of our liberties to protect taxes/revenue or big businesses or both
Yes I’ve heard that too, they borrow money anticipating cig sales but the cig market is crashing.
Same reason CT is taking so long to legalize weed. Alc Tobac and private prison industry.
yeah just look into the "MSA" it's fucking despicable