VP of Tech for an energy service company here. 100% agree with you, this is the homeowners' fault. As I said on another thread, in the industry we call this "Demand Response", and normally you get paid for it. It's actually a very mutually-beneficial program for industrial companies. I would not advise residential customers to do this however.
So for the homeowners to turn around and belly-ache about smart thermostats is uneducated at best, and self-serving+untruthful at worst.
I will never understand people who play lottery type games. Why would ANYONE give up the freedom to control their own thermostat for the equivalent of a $1 lottery ticket? It's beyond sheep mentality. It's something else.
Nest was a great company UNTIL they were acquired by Googone, - gle we have unplugged every thing smart except the therm we have AC on a separate manual adjustment.
I'm looking for a thermostat that will continue to run the fan for a few minutes after the A/C compressor shuts off to dry the evaporator coils. Without this, the coil gets musty and I have to take it apart to clean it.
I've got an older Nest that does it, but I'd like to get rid of it.
If you're good with basic electronics, you should be able to wire up a delay relay to do exactly this.
Should be pretty cheap to buy a delay (off) timer from automation direct and just turn the dial to whatever minutes you want. Wiring and knowing which wires do which may be the hardest part.
I was looking into building one using an Arduino, but I also need one for my mother's house that has to be pretty. I know Nest can't be the only ones who thought of this.
What they have is expensive shit they make a healthy profit off of lol. Not a bad idea if you're a person that doesn't care about costs but it's not a common request. Shops make a good slice of their income on cleaning coils so they're not clamoring to solve that problem. It gets them in the door and means they'll have an opportunity to sell you a new unit.
If you can arduino you're way more savvy than I expected and you totally can build two delay timers either with an ice cube relay, or fancy pants arduino programming (but then you need to power it, hide the device somewhere, program it, etc) I myself would simply go with the AD.com standalone relay
Try a carrier standard thermostat. We have an older one that has no digital reading. It has the little lever that sticks out the right side of it you slide up and down for temperature control. It works fine. Edit; just wanted to add, I don't think they have our model anymore. They do have standard non smart thermostats.
My power company does this. Its optional, and you get a $40 credit towards your bill, where they can set your heat pump/AC unit to fan only for 30 minutes at a time during peak usage, then it goes back to regular mode.
I've been a part of it for two or three years and never seen it activated.
They do not have access to my thermostat or anything like that.
That guy can always change his wifi password, which will disconnect that device from the internet.
It 's time to retake your privacy, frens. Get rid of the "smart" items in your homes. You think they're convenient. They think, "We can hack these and do whatever we want with them."
It's like inviting a total stranger into your home and allowing them to look through all of your drawers and closets.
Haha, who wakes up sweating at an air conditioned 78 degrees? But in all seriousness, these protected class energy companies need to get the hammer dropped on them.
The type of people that authorize control over their thermostat in exchange for gibs are the same type that will take the jab if it enrolls them in lotteries and giveaways. These are the weak minded and weak willed and I have no sympathy for them.
I know what you mean, but actually those people are stupid and gullible - however, experiences like this can help them become wiser over time, if they can learn from it.
These companies are quickly crossing the line when it comes to personal boundaries. How about that new thing with those home devices that were updated to share your internet connection with strangers. Cool concept, BUT HOW DARE THEY make it so you have to opt out to turn it off. Should be the other way around, then, no problem, good thinking.
The fundamental problem is our tax dollars are not creating new infrastructure where needed. They could be building new power plants, solving the energy problem, instead they are spending billions on unnecessary stuff, along with putting out propaganda to convince people there is a serious shortage of power in this country. Same with water.
But they did consent. CPSEnergy sent us the offer for a smart thermostat. The brochure stated that they would be able to cycle our system during peak times. I passed on that offer.
VP of Tech for an energy service company here. 100% agree with you, this is the homeowners' fault. As I said on another thread, in the industry we call this "Demand Response", and normally you get paid for it. It's actually a very mutually-beneficial program for industrial companies. I would not advise residential customers to do this however.
So for the homeowners to turn around and belly-ache about smart thermostats is uneducated at best, and self-serving+untruthful at worst.
I will never understand people who play lottery type games. Why would ANYONE give up the freedom to control their own thermostat for the equivalent of a $1 lottery ticket? It's beyond sheep mentality. It's something else.
Nest was a great company UNTIL they were acquired by Googone, - gle we have unplugged every thing smart except the therm we have AC on a separate manual adjustment.
I'm looking for a thermostat that will continue to run the fan for a few minutes after the A/C compressor shuts off to dry the evaporator coils. Without this, the coil gets musty and I have to take it apart to clean it.
I've got an older Nest that does it, but I'd like to get rid of it.
If anyone has any suggestions, please post them.
I could, but fan motors aren't always that efficient.
https://www.usinspect.com/blog/can-running-hvac-fan-continuously-save-energy-costs-part-1-3/
Now I've gone down a rabbit hole learning about small duct high velocity and air to water heat pumps.
https://www.spacepak.com/central-air-heating-and-cooling-system
I've been watching their training and install videos for almost an hour now.
They've got variable speed blower motors and are able to dehumidify outside the cooling cycle.
If you're good with basic electronics, you should be able to wire up a delay relay to do exactly this. Should be pretty cheap to buy a delay (off) timer from automation direct and just turn the dial to whatever minutes you want. Wiring and knowing which wires do which may be the hardest part.
I was looking into building one using an Arduino, but I also need one for my mother's house that has to be pretty. I know Nest can't be the only ones who thought of this.
https://www.instructables.com/Arduino-Thermostat/
I might gut a cheap thermostat and connect the display and buttons to the Arduino.
Have you tried calling your local HVAC place and see what they recommend?
What they have is expensive shit they make a healthy profit off of lol. Not a bad idea if you're a person that doesn't care about costs but it's not a common request. Shops make a good slice of their income on cleaning coils so they're not clamoring to solve that problem. It gets them in the door and means they'll have an opportunity to sell you a new unit.
If you can arduino you're way more savvy than I expected and you totally can build two delay timers either with an ice cube relay, or fancy pants arduino programming (but then you need to power it, hide the device somewhere, program it, etc) I myself would simply go with the AD.com standalone relay
Try a carrier standard thermostat. We have an older one that has no digital reading. It has the little lever that sticks out the right side of it you slide up and down for temperature control. It works fine. Edit; just wanted to add, I don't think they have our model anymore. They do have standard non smart thermostats.
I use Home Assistant and build my own devices
and/or just keep your iot stuff on a separate vlan with no internet access
They literally signed up for this...
My power company does this. Its optional, and you get a $40 credit towards your bill, where they can set your heat pump/AC unit to fan only for 30 minutes at a time during peak usage, then it goes back to regular mode.
I've been a part of it for two or three years and never seen it activated.
They do not have access to my thermostat or anything like that.
That guy can always change his wifi password, which will disconnect that device from the internet.
It 's time to retake your privacy, frens. Get rid of the "smart" items in your homes. You think they're convenient. They think, "We can hack these and do whatever we want with them."
It's like inviting a total stranger into your home and allowing them to look through all of your drawers and closets.
Haha, who wakes up sweating at an air conditioned 78 degrees? But in all seriousness, these protected class energy companies need to get the hammer dropped on them.
78 degrees in a house will certainly make you sweat, keep in mind they also were in bed with blankets
The type of people that authorize control over their thermostat in exchange for gibs are the same type that will take the jab if it enrolls them in lotteries and giveaways. These are the weak minded and weak willed and I have no sympathy for them.
I know what you mean, but actually those people are stupid and gullible - however, experiences like this can help them become wiser over time, if they can learn from it.
These companies are quickly crossing the line when it comes to personal boundaries. How about that new thing with those home devices that were updated to share your internet connection with strangers. Cool concept, BUT HOW DARE THEY make it so you have to opt out to turn it off. Should be the other way around, then, no problem, good thinking.
Just think what they can do to the unvaxxed with those complete wifi controlled houses.
Good point.
The fundamental problem is our tax dollars are not creating new infrastructure where needed. They could be building new power plants, solving the energy problem, instead they are spending billions on unnecessary stuff, along with putting out propaganda to convince people there is a serious shortage of power in this country. Same with water.
Mine has a knob on it, they can try to fuck with me but that shit ain't happening
But they did consent. CPSEnergy sent us the offer for a smart thermostat. The brochure stated that they would be able to cycle our system during peak times. I passed on that offer.
"In exchange for enrolling, residents are entered into a sweepstakes to win free electricity for a year."
Always with the bullshit incentives that the greedy sheep can't resist. As it they would actually win....
gees i still have an old fashioned dial thermostat o.0
I wonder how many actually signed up for it, and how much was hidden in the fine print with footnotes and asterisks.
https://greatawakening.win/p/12j0D9F9s1/power-outages-in-the-summer/ It's going to get bad guys. Please prepare! Luckily, solar is a bit more reliable in the summer, than wind turbines are in the winter. So, hopefully the grid handles this.
There arr some boilers that van be turned off and will ignore the "smart" system. If it is being dumb. Just an fyi
Pretty sure they all signed up for this.
I don't get, who in the hell allows anybody to install a device in there house. Who knows what else in the device, i.e., microphone, camera.