i think a lot of these kids raised in the industry that are now adults are reenacting things done to them. By no means an excuse! Def not acceptable and I'm all for millstones on the neck. Just a thought of how vile the whole thing is.
I remember Drake and Josh. Always found it entertaining.
Never watched many Disney shows in my childhood outside of Phineas and Ferb.
Tragic that so many of the stars are turning out to be such broken and twisted people. They didn’t start out that way. No one starts out that way.
But Regardless of their circumstances and what lead them to their positions in life. They still made the deliberate choice to continue with the dark path and to do unto others what was done to them. They must thusly be held accountable for those choices.
May almighty God have mercy on their souls. For this world has none left to spare for such wretched and damned souls as they.
Pedophilia is NOT sexual attraction to teenage (post pubescent) girls. As a society we have decided that that is potentially harmful and therefore illegal, but it is not pedophilia in any way. Pedophilia is specifically sexual attraction (and/or assault) of prepubescentchildren.
In the case of these "child stars" they are almost certainly actual victims of pedophilia with likely a lifetime of sexual assault.
In no way am I saying they should not be punished for their crimes. It is illegal and it is imperative they learn that it is wrong. But the people that really deserve punishment are the ones that abused these people as actual children.
I had no idea it had a name. I am just sick of people calling something a thing that it is not. Pedophilia is pure predatory. it is a very different sin than being attracted to a young woman, who for most of human history was legally marrying age (whether that was appropriate or not is not the point).
The point is, one is a sin of a pure predator (no caring whatsoever for the other person (child)), the other is a sin of "may be psychologically harmful" which is why it is illegal.
12 (Bell's victim) and 13 (Massey's victim) year old girls could be prepubescent. Should the victims be asked if they started their menses before filing charges against their alleged abusers? Is that something you think the law should consider when doling out punishments for these perpetrators?
So by that logic, a man who molests a nine year old who has started puberty should get a lighter sentence than a man who molests a thirteen year old who has not had a period yet? Seems unfair. Punishment is usually more severe the younger the victim.
You are trying to create hypotheticals to "prove" a point I am not making.
I am pointing out that there are TWO DIFFERENT CRIMES GOING ON and it is obvious to anyone who spends half a second thinking about it, or anyone who remembers what they were like when they were a young teenager v. a child; especially their mental development and ability to determine their own actions.
Nevertheless, here's a non hypothetical example of the ludicrousness of not looking at the reality of the situation.
I don't remember where it is, but there was a post about a "pedo" who was sexting some poor young innocent girl on here a while ago. People were going off on the guy, just like here, without any thought to the reality of the situation, just wanting blood. The guy was 20, the girl was 17.
Give me a fucking break.
I am not saying that this is the same as that, but that is exactly nothing. This is more than nothing, but its not the same as molesting a child who hasn't developed mentally enough to understand that they are being abused, or understands and can't do anything about it because of their programming.
A teenager is rebellious basically 100% of the time. They question everything. They don't do what they are told (like a child does). They choose for themselves. They have outgrown the entire concept of "respect your elder no matter what".
Can they be coerced? Yes, so can an adult. Can they be forced? Yes, so can an adult. Those are different crimes than using the authority of "elder" v. "child" to prey upon those that are still programmed to obey.
So what is your argument? The age of consent should be lowered? In many states it's already 16, but if the victim is younger the defendant can get off if they fall within a certain age range.
If you're trying to change the stigma conservatives have about under 18 sex, I can tell you that is a fruitless endeavor.
My argument is that people in general, and us specifically need to stop wanting blood so badly that we ignore reality. There is nothing but evil in that mentality.
Categorizing a crime as one thing, when it is obviously something else is a crime in itself and must be avoided at all costs.
That is my argument. I am not talking about changing any laws. I honestly don't know how I feel about the age of consent. The line has to be drawn somewhere I guess, though I really think it should be more case by case than a specific age in an ideal world.
I have known many 18 year olds who were too naïve and gullible to be interacting in that way with older people (or anyone really). I have known many younger teenagers that were more than mature enough to make their own decisions about that. But really, that's a much more nuanced and difficult conversation and really has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
I am talking about looking at situations with reason, instead of hate.
No sound decisions are made with hate. Stringing someone up for a crime they didn't commit because it looks somewhat similar (in some minds) to a different, worse crime is the worst possible way a society can conduct itself. That is not justice, but vengeance, and its worse than that because its vengeance for a crime that was not even committed by that person, but by someone else.
Is there a link to a Drake Bell incident? Not doubting at all; nothing about these sick fucks really shocks me anymore. I just hadn't heard anything about Drake Bell being a diddler.
i think a lot of these kids raised in the industry that are now adults are reenacting things done to them. By no means an excuse! Def not acceptable and I'm all for millstones on the neck. Just a thought of how vile the whole thing is.
It's how pedos reproduce.
my heart bleeds for them as kids, my fists want to find them as adults!
I remember Drake and Josh. Always found it entertaining.
Never watched many Disney shows in my childhood outside of Phineas and Ferb.
Tragic that so many of the stars are turning out to be such broken and twisted people. They didn’t start out that way. No one starts out that way.
But Regardless of their circumstances and what lead them to their positions in life. They still made the deliberate choice to continue with the dark path and to do unto others what was done to them. They must thusly be held accountable for those choices.
May almighty God have mercy on their souls. For this world has none left to spare for such wretched and damned souls as they.
Cory in the Big House
Pedophilia is NOT sexual attraction to teenage (post pubescent) girls. As a society we have decided that that is potentially harmful and therefore illegal, but it is not pedophilia in any way. Pedophilia is specifically sexual attraction (and/or assault) of prepubescent children.
In the case of these "child stars" they are almost certainly actual victims of pedophilia with likely a lifetime of sexual assault.
In no way am I saying they should not be punished for their crimes. It is illegal and it is imperative they learn that it is wrong. But the people that really deserve punishment are the ones that abused these people as actual children.
You should've just posted the Hebephilia copypasta and called it a day.
I had no idea it had a name. I am just sick of people calling something a thing that it is not. Pedophilia is pure predatory. it is a very different sin than being attracted to a young woman, who for most of human history was legally marrying age (whether that was appropriate or not is not the point).
The point is, one is a sin of a pure predator (no caring whatsoever for the other person (child)), the other is a sin of "may be psychologically harmful" which is why it is illegal.
12 (Bell's victim) and 13 (Massey's victim) year old girls could be prepubescent. Should the victims be asked if they started their menses before filing charges against their alleged abusers? Is that something you think the law should consider when doling out punishments for these perpetrators?
They are very different crimes. Yes, the law should absolutely consider the fact that one is a crime of a pure predator, and one is not.
And so should we. Ignoring the real differences is imo criminal.
So by that logic, a man who molests a nine year old who has started puberty should get a lighter sentence than a man who molests a thirteen year old who has not had a period yet? Seems unfair. Punishment is usually more severe the younger the victim.
You are trying to create hypotheticals to "prove" a point I am not making.
I am pointing out that there are TWO DIFFERENT CRIMES GOING ON and it is obvious to anyone who spends half a second thinking about it, or anyone who remembers what they were like when they were a young teenager v. a child; especially their mental development and ability to determine their own actions.
Nevertheless, here's a non hypothetical example of the ludicrousness of not looking at the reality of the situation.
I don't remember where it is, but there was a post about a "pedo" who was sexting some poor young innocent girl on here a while ago. People were going off on the guy, just like here, without any thought to the reality of the situation, just wanting blood. The guy was 20, the girl was 17.
Give me a fucking break.
I am not saying that this is the same as that, but that is exactly nothing. This is more than nothing, but its not the same as molesting a child who hasn't developed mentally enough to understand that they are being abused, or understands and can't do anything about it because of their programming.
A teenager is rebellious basically 100% of the time. They question everything. They don't do what they are told (like a child does). They choose for themselves. They have outgrown the entire concept of "respect your elder no matter what".
Can they be coerced? Yes, so can an adult. Can they be forced? Yes, so can an adult. Those are different crimes than using the authority of "elder" v. "child" to prey upon those that are still programmed to obey.
So what is your argument? The age of consent should be lowered? In many states it's already 16, but if the victim is younger the defendant can get off if they fall within a certain age range.
If you're trying to change the stigma conservatives have about under 18 sex, I can tell you that is a fruitless endeavor.
Interesting chart: https://aspe.hhs.gov/report/statutory-rape-guide-state-laws-and-reporting-requirements-summary-current-state-laws/sexual-intercourse-minors
My argument is that people in general, and us specifically need to stop wanting blood so badly that we ignore reality. There is nothing but evil in that mentality.
Categorizing a crime as one thing, when it is obviously something else is a crime in itself and must be avoided at all costs.
That is my argument. I am not talking about changing any laws. I honestly don't know how I feel about the age of consent. The line has to be drawn somewhere I guess, though I really think it should be more case by case than a specific age in an ideal world.
I have known many 18 year olds who were too naïve and gullible to be interacting in that way with older people (or anyone really). I have known many younger teenagers that were more than mature enough to make their own decisions about that. But really, that's a much more nuanced and difficult conversation and really has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
I am talking about looking at situations with reason, instead of hate.
No sound decisions are made with hate. Stringing someone up for a crime they didn't commit because it looks somewhat similar (in some minds) to a different, worse crime is the worst possible way a society can conduct itself. That is not justice, but vengeance, and its worse than that because its vengeance for a crime that was not even committed by that person, but by someone else.
But this does not have to be true. A lot of people broke the cycle.
Is there a link to a Drake Bell incident? Not doubting at all; nothing about these sick fucks really shocks me anymore. I just hadn't heard anything about Drake Bell being a diddler.
For the record, I don't think these 2 were always bad people.
These child stars know nothing else as they were likely trafficked. Children who were violated. hollywood must burn to the ground.
*Cory