If there were for sure a certainty someone will come into this world with pain and suffering, you'd still let them come into this world specifically for the purpose of suffering just so you can justify some moral superiority about letting them live?
That sounds like sanctitioned torture-debt.
Don't jump the gun like a leftist and start going ad-hominem.
It depends, as a rule a person should be allowed to make their own life and death choices. There may be the very odd time that a pregnancy aught to be terminated, but that should be a last resort sort of choice, not one made because one can. Murder is always bad, it just might have to happen in order to avert a more disastrous situation. Having said that, the possibility of pain or suffering or sadness is a pretty lame argument for killing people.
If we know someone is going to enter this life with much pain and hardship why is up to us to say “we have determined that you will hate your life and have no chance of overcoming the obstacles and pain in your life, that there is no chance for you to enjoy your life despite those factors, and theres also no chance that a cure or adequate treatment for those obstacles and pain will be developed within your lifetime, so we think its best if you just dont get to live at all”?
Why live if life is pain and suffering in the first place?
Very Malthusian and totally illogical.
Because it isn't only those things. How old are you? You sound like a person with very little life experience.
SO let me summarize.
If there were for sure a certainty someone will come into this world with pain and suffering, you'd still let them come into this world specifically for the purpose of suffering just so you can justify some moral superiority about letting them live?
That sounds like sanctitioned torture-debt.
Don't jump the gun like a leftist and start going ad-hominem.
It depends, as a rule a person should be allowed to make their own life and death choices. There may be the very odd time that a pregnancy aught to be terminated, but that should be a last resort sort of choice, not one made because one can. Murder is always bad, it just might have to happen in order to avert a more disastrous situation. Having said that, the possibility of pain or suffering or sadness is a pretty lame argument for killing people.
Thank you for presenting a sane argument.
If we know someone is going to enter this life with much pain and hardship why is up to us to say “we have determined that you will hate your life and have no chance of overcoming the obstacles and pain in your life, that there is no chance for you to enjoy your life despite those factors, and theres also no chance that a cure or adequate treatment for those obstacles and pain will be developed within your lifetime, so we think its best if you just dont get to live at all”?