Clearly, you've never had to use a firearm with extreme prejudice except maybe in Call of Duty.
Those of us who have been to REAL War know what its like to take a life. You don't do that unless you have to and it's something you never...ever... forget. Right now, WTF you think would happen if 5 million+ vets (estimated living in US) decided to wage War? Have you any clue? It's gonna be a fuckin no-holds barred event when the Dogs of War are let loose. No ROE to hold us back. None of us want that, but we will not shy from it. The Oath is forever.
We're allowing what little is left of the Laws and Constitution to WORK before we have no other choice. Everyone will know if we reach that point. Opening fire in our own Country upon other countrymen, even if they are Communist assholes, is an absolute LAST resort. If they begin coming door to door like in Australia, that changes the game and [they] know it.
In short, STFU, sit down, and allow this to play out. When the time comes, we'll be handing out ass-woopins aplenty but NOT before its time.
First off, I thank you for your service.
We are all on the same side here, so I mean all my remarks with due respect.
That said;
All of 2020 was a full-bore, no bullshit, communist color revolution, culminating in an actual coup d'etat.
ALL of 2020; the manufactured race riots, the "wild" fires, the scam-demic; ALL OF IT WAS ONE BIG REVOLUTION AND COUP.
There are many reasons why all these events sprung to life last year, but there are 2 main, overarching ones;
Get rid of and destroy Trump.
Usher in the elites self-proclaimed Great Reset.
So; we lived through an actual coup and didn't do shit.
If a coup isn't reason to use force; I literally don't know what is.
We watched Trump supporters get murdered both in the streets as well as at the US capitol, merely for their political beliefs.
If self defense against murder; against riotous, racist, communist rage mobs isn't reason to use force, then I again don't know what is.
The 2020 election was stolen in a coup, which means our vote no longer counts.
If you think they "only" stole 2020 and aren't actively doing it again, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Let's not even start talking about the past several decades' worth of elections they've stolen.....
They deny us our soap box; our 1st amendment rights and freedoms.
They instantly cancel, delete, ban, censor, and de-platform anyone with any opinions or thoughts that differ in the least from the prevailing manufactured narrative.
They have so thoroughly corrupted the judiciary at all levels; does anyone here honestly think they could get a legit, honest, fair trial by judge or jury?
Really?
How many cases of absolute insane, authoritarian, communist, unConstitutional judges have we all heard of the past 30 years plus?
So;
We can't vote
We can't protest
We can't take it to court.
Please tell me what I've missed and why the final box - the cartridge box - should not be considered.
All fair points, won't deny you that. However, as effed up as all is right now, there are things going on not blasted on MSM or even the independent (real) news outlets.
You can take this however you want, and I know the argument people throw out to this but all I can say is as a former SO, "operations are on-going". No, I cant say what, who, where, why. It's maddening, frustrating, and anxiety-ridden but people die in a War...both combatants and Non-combatants. No War was ever fully won without loss of life.
That said if, as you propose, we all take up arms as individuals...what do you think would happen? How would organization be handled? How would Operations be handled? What tactical and strategic goals should be known? How would Logistics be done? Would you advocate commandeering resources without consent of the giver to further the cause? How would casualties be handled? And on and on.
One thing I know is how War works and, my friend, you are throwing out a lot of rhetoric without that full understanding of what you're asking.
Again, I have to reiterate: If we are forced to the point in this country where Veterans have to band together and take up arms again, it's not going to be pretty....it's going to be brutal. No one is ready for that because no one really knows except another combat Vet and I hope to God that's how it'll stay.
Suppose a few FedEx shipments got delivered to a few choice people.
What WOULD happen?
Declare martial law?
We're already doing it, voluntarily no less.
The way I see it, things literally can't get any worse than they are now; the whole world was shut down, much of it still is, or is operating at very limited capacity.
I honestly don't see how they could make it any worse.
And if they succeeded in finding a way..... FedEx always delivers, don't they?
Just so I'm clear;
You are saying that you have direct personal knowledge that shit is happening in the background that we don't know about?
If so; that is EPIC!!!!
I trust you.... I mean; as much as I can trust any other random fren on the internet... LOL... But I do trust you as an anon... I won't pester you for details you obviously can't give.
IF there were any other tidbits at all you could DM to me, I'd be eternally grateful; I could really use the hopium.... any bones you could throw me would be so dearly appreciated.
But if not, I totally understand.
That said;
To your points of what do we do, how do we do it, etc.
Is this a conventional war, or is this a guerilla war?
Rather; how could WE fight it? Could we not choose to conduct our operations however we wanted?
A few years back, wasn't there a teenage boy & middle aged man, who, just the 2 of them together, along with a bare-bones AR15 and an old-ass blue chevy caprice, succeeded in killing 10 people, terrorizing and shutting down most of the eastern seaboard?
2 guys & a rifle.....
Have you ever read Enemies Foreign & Domestic by Matt Bracken or Unintended Consequences by John Ross?
If not; literally drop what you are doing & start UC first, then EF&D. Link at bottom.
Who is our real enemy?
The police?
The military?
Our neighbors?
Who makes these rules & regulations?
Who actually has the power to enact laws to strip our liberties & freedoms?
What good would it do if you shot it out with some state troopers or sheriffs?
Is a guerilla war really fought on the battlefield?
Or would it come in the form of a FedEx delivery on an idle Tuesday?
Ok, I'm gonna have to stop here. Not going to be part of this inciting anymore. I gave questions to yours so that maybe you'd stop a sec and think on them, not ignore them wholesale. I can't make it more obvious than that about what you're not plugging into your equations.
.....remember what happened to that 2-team sniper you speak of. That very example YOU gave should have made you think twice about all the other rhetoric after it.
Expand your thinking
Perhaps take your own advice, especially since a former combat vet gave you everything to think about.
Clearly, you've never had to use a firearm with extreme prejudice except maybe in Call of Duty.
Those of us who have been to REAL War know what its like to take a life. You don't do that unless you have to and it's something you never...ever... forget. Right now, WTF you think would happen if 5 million+ vets (estimated living in US) decided to wage War? Have you any clue? It's gonna be a fuckin no-holds barred event when the Dogs of War are let loose. No ROE to hold us back. None of us want that, but we will not shy from it. The Oath is forever.
We're allowing what little is left of the Laws and Constitution to WORK before we have no other choice. Everyone will know if we reach that point. Opening fire in our own Country upon other countrymen, even if they are Communist assholes, is an absolute LAST resort. If they begin coming door to door like in Australia, that changes the game and [they] know it.
In short, STFU, sit down, and allow this to play out. When the time comes, we'll be handing out ass-woopins aplenty but NOT before its time.
Do they? I happen to agree with you, but to be fair, we used to say,
"If they come for our freedom, then it's on."
They did. The stole our election thereby stealing our country. They kill babies. They silence us. They steal our money with impunity.
Man, how high is our pain threshold? I feel like the founders would've been laying down ass whoopins a long fucking time ago.
You might be interested in my response;
https://greatawakening.win/p/12jwaOnoCA/x/c/4JDGGMtaqed
Exactly.
First off, I thank you for your service. We are all on the same side here, so I mean all my remarks with due respect.
That said;
All of 2020 was a full-bore, no bullshit, communist color revolution, culminating in an actual coup d'etat.
ALL of 2020; the manufactured race riots, the "wild" fires, the scam-demic; ALL OF IT WAS ONE BIG REVOLUTION AND COUP.
There are many reasons why all these events sprung to life last year, but there are 2 main, overarching ones;
Get rid of and destroy Trump.
Usher in the elites self-proclaimed Great Reset.
So; we lived through an actual coup and didn't do shit.
If a coup isn't reason to use force; I literally don't know what is.
We watched Trump supporters get murdered both in the streets as well as at the US capitol, merely for their political beliefs.
If self defense against murder; against riotous, racist, communist rage mobs isn't reason to use force, then I again don't know what is.
The 2020 election was stolen in a coup, which means our vote no longer counts. If you think they "only" stole 2020 and aren't actively doing it again, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Let's not even start talking about the past several decades' worth of elections they've stolen.....
They deny us our soap box; our 1st amendment rights and freedoms.
They instantly cancel, delete, ban, censor, and de-platform anyone with any opinions or thoughts that differ in the least from the prevailing manufactured narrative.
They have so thoroughly corrupted the judiciary at all levels; does anyone here honestly think they could get a legit, honest, fair trial by judge or jury?
Really?
How many cases of absolute insane, authoritarian, communist, unConstitutional judges have we all heard of the past 30 years plus?
So;
We can't vote
We can't protest
We can't take it to court.
Please tell me what I've missed and why the final box - the cartridge box - should not be considered.
Please.
.
All fair points, won't deny you that. However, as effed up as all is right now, there are things going on not blasted on MSM or even the independent (real) news outlets.
You can take this however you want, and I know the argument people throw out to this but all I can say is as a former SO, "operations are on-going". No, I cant say what, who, where, why. It's maddening, frustrating, and anxiety-ridden but people die in a War...both combatants and Non-combatants. No War was ever fully won without loss of life.
That said if, as you propose, we all take up arms as individuals...what do you think would happen? How would organization be handled? How would Operations be handled? What tactical and strategic goals should be known? How would Logistics be done? Would you advocate commandeering resources without consent of the giver to further the cause? How would casualties be handled? And on and on.
One thing I know is how War works and, my friend, you are throwing out a lot of rhetoric without that full understanding of what you're asking.
Again, I have to reiterate: If we are forced to the point in this country where Veterans have to band together and take up arms again, it's not going to be pretty....it's going to be brutal. No one is ready for that because no one really knows except another combat Vet and I hope to God that's how it'll stay.
Let this play out.
One more thought;
Suppose a few FedEx shipments got delivered to a few choice people.
What WOULD happen?
Declare martial law?
We're already doing it, voluntarily no less.
The way I see it, things literally can't get any worse than they are now; the whole world was shut down, much of it still is, or is operating at very limited capacity.
I honestly don't see how they could make it any worse.
And if they succeeded in finding a way..... FedEx always delivers, don't they?
Just so I'm clear; You are saying that you have direct personal knowledge that shit is happening in the background that we don't know about?
If so; that is EPIC!!!!
I trust you.... I mean; as much as I can trust any other random fren on the internet... LOL... But I do trust you as an anon... I won't pester you for details you obviously can't give.
IF there were any other tidbits at all you could DM to me, I'd be eternally grateful; I could really use the hopium.... any bones you could throw me would be so dearly appreciated.
But if not, I totally understand.
That said;
To your points of what do we do, how do we do it, etc.
Rather; how could WE fight it? Could we not choose to conduct our operations however we wanted?
2 guys & a rifle.....
If not; literally drop what you are doing & start UC first, then EF&D. Link at bottom.
The police?
The military?
Our neighbors?
Who makes these rules & regulations?
Who actually has the power to enact laws to strip our liberties & freedoms?
What good would it do if you shot it out with some state troopers or sheriffs?
Is a guerilla war really fought on the battlefield?
Or would it come in the form of a FedEx delivery on an idle Tuesday?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-federal-judges-husband-son-shot-at-home-fbi-says
How hard IS it to kill a human?
How many bullets does it take to kill someone?
What's that sniper mantra about One Shot, One........ something.....
Expand your thinking.
Unintended Consequences PDF: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=unintended+consequences+john+ross+PDF&atb=v247-2__&ia=web
The last thing is; I don't play video games. Used to when I was little. :-)
.
Ok, I'm gonna have to stop here. Not going to be part of this inciting anymore. I gave questions to yours so that maybe you'd stop a sec and think on them, not ignore them wholesale. I can't make it more obvious than that about what you're not plugging into your equations.
.....remember what happened to that 2-team sniper you speak of. That very example YOU gave should have made you think twice about all the other rhetoric after it.
Perhaps take your own advice, especially since a former combat vet gave you everything to think about.
Have a good one.