You didn't pay attention well enough during the Crimea coup then.
The entire coup was instigated by Soros, Obama and western influence.
West Ukraine (the non-Russian-speaking anti-Russian side) were the literal equivalent to Bolsheviks. They started war against Eastern Ukraine, which were pro-Russia.
If Putin were Bolshevik, you wouldn't be seeing much hatred towards him by the MSM would you?
I mustn’t have been clear enough I agree with everything you said about the facts of the event after your first sentence. I meant That was the event that had me look Into Russia and realize the lies our media military etc were saying about it I was indifferent before and that Russia is an easy target to point at as an enemy because the older generation were told for decades they were and they still believe them to be Soviet Union communist just changed the name.
Crimea is critical for Russia's control of the Black Sea, and as such an essential part of the defense of their nation. There was NO way Putin would ever let it become NATO territory, and they knew that. The coup was always intended as a direct provocation.
it's so easy with you people, either it's Soros or it's the good guy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"
Putin is a dictator, an ex-KGB who was staging terrorist attacks against his own populace, who robbed his people, and continues to do so. Censorship in Russia is enormous. You go to jail for re-posting an anti-Putin or anti-church meme.
So if you like the guy then him annexing another country's territory is good?
Simple russians and ukrainians who lived in that territory (Donetsk and the area) died in this war for one reason - so Putin can annex Crimea. "bolshevik not bolshevik" lol as if the only bad people are the bolsheviks. Bad people wouldn't lie to you, pretend, cheat and steal to get what their want, right?
The all are the enemy. Everyone with power. A very rare people don't get corrupted by money and power.
I didn't say anything "good" about Putin except that he isn't Bolshevik.
Everything else you present are strawman arguments I never made.
But regarding Putin annexing Crimea, Crimeans wanted it so it's kind of moot isn't it? It isn't any more arbitrary than how Ukraine obtained Crimea in the first place (look it up).
I'm not of the opinion that I should even have an opinion of how some country on the other side of the world should deal with another country that is on the other side of the world. None of my business.
But I can make an accurate statement, that Putin isn't Bolshevik, as a neutral observer.
You know little to nothing of the situation, and I'm not sure I have the patience to school you.
Donetsk would have LOVED for Russia to step in to protect them, the same as they stepped in to protect Crimea.
They would have LOVED it.
Instead, a bulk majority of their infrastructure destroyed and tens of thousands of people were slaughtered at the hands of west Ukrainian LITERAL Nazis.
Some people throw the term Nazi around loosely, but I am not. They drove tanks with 88 painted on the side (Heil Hitler) and openly referenced themselves as Nazis.
They drove up to the edges of western Ukraine towns and fired white phosphorus over them to burn and destroy infrastructure.
The main thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to be left alone.
The second thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to have Russia protect them from Western Ukraine and Obama/Soros army.
Why wouldn't the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Donetsk want to join Russia, rather than remain with the Ukrainian-speaking west half who continued to pressure them into changing their language?
The East half voted in Viktor Yanukovych, knowing he was corrupt (we're talking about Ukraine, the most corrupt government on the planet. Getting a non-corrupt president wasn't on the table). They knew he was corrupt, but at least he wasn't forcing them to speak Ukrainian and not forbidding them to engage in the Russian economy.
All the factories in the east were producing products specced for the Russian economy. The west half wanted to shut that down and gear towards EU specced production, which would put most of the eastern pro-Russian citizens out of work.
The Donetsk and entire eastern half of the country wasn't fond of West Ukraine BEFORE the west started bombing their cities and destroying their infrastructure, let alone after.
How do I know these things? Because I read/translated forums frequented by eastern Ukrainians and they told me themselves in their own words what was going on.
Congratulations. You probably know 100x more about Donetsk and the Ukrainian situation than before you started reading.
Nobody in Crimea wanted anything to do with the leaders of the Ukraine coup.
But I think it would be hilarious if you want to try to convince me otherwise.
You didn't pay attention well enough during the Crimea coup then.
The entire coup was instigated by Soros, Obama and western influence.
West Ukraine (the non-Russian-speaking anti-Russian side) were the literal equivalent to Bolsheviks. They started war against Eastern Ukraine, which were pro-Russia.
If Putin were Bolshevik, you wouldn't be seeing much hatred towards him by the MSM would you?
Also, Pew Research polls showed that 85% of Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia. The globalists oppose democracy as always.
I mustn’t have been clear enough I agree with everything you said about the facts of the event after your first sentence. I meant That was the event that had me look Into Russia and realize the lies our media military etc were saying about it I was indifferent before and that Russia is an easy target to point at as an enemy because the older generation were told for decades they were and they still believe them to be Soviet Union communist just changed the name.
Ah, my bad.
I thought I read that you believed Putin represented Bolshevism, I read wrong.
no problem if anything it was good for someone else to read, the extra information you put that i was too lazy too.
Crimea is critical for Russia's control of the Black Sea, and as such an essential part of the defense of their nation. There was NO way Putin would ever let it become NATO territory, and they knew that. The coup was always intended as a direct provocation.
it's so easy with you people, either it's Soros or it's the good guy. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Putin is a dictator, an ex-KGB who was staging terrorist attacks against his own populace, who robbed his people, and continues to do so. Censorship in Russia is enormous. You go to jail for re-posting an anti-Putin or anti-church meme. So if you like the guy then him annexing another country's territory is good? Simple russians and ukrainians who lived in that territory (Donetsk and the area) died in this war for one reason - so Putin can annex Crimea. "bolshevik not bolshevik" lol as if the only bad people are the bolsheviks. Bad people wouldn't lie to you, pretend, cheat and steal to get what their want, right? The all are the enemy. Everyone with power. A very rare people don't get corrupted by money and power.
I didn't say anything "good" about Putin except that he isn't Bolshevik.
Everything else you present are strawman arguments I never made.
But regarding Putin annexing Crimea, Crimeans wanted it so it's kind of moot isn't it? It isn't any more arbitrary than how Ukraine obtained Crimea in the first place (look it up).
I'm not of the opinion that I should even have an opinion of how some country on the other side of the world should deal with another country that is on the other side of the world. None of my business.
But I can make an accurate statement, that Putin isn't Bolshevik, as a neutral observer.
"crimeans wanted it"?? my god. How abot DNR? People there also "wanted it" (or maybe rather "asked for it")?
You know little to nothing of the situation, and I'm not sure I have the patience to school you.
Donetsk would have LOVED for Russia to step in to protect them, the same as they stepped in to protect Crimea.
They would have LOVED it.
Instead, a bulk majority of their infrastructure destroyed and tens of thousands of people were slaughtered at the hands of west Ukrainian LITERAL Nazis.
Some people throw the term Nazi around loosely, but I am not. They drove tanks with 88 painted on the side (Heil Hitler) and openly referenced themselves as Nazis.
They drove up to the edges of western Ukraine towns and fired white phosphorus over them to burn and destroy infrastructure.
The main thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to be left alone.
The second thing Donetsk wanted after the coup was to have Russia protect them from Western Ukraine and Obama/Soros army.
Why wouldn't the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Donetsk want to join Russia, rather than remain with the Ukrainian-speaking west half who continued to pressure them into changing their language?
The East half voted in Viktor Yanukovych, knowing he was corrupt (we're talking about Ukraine, the most corrupt government on the planet. Getting a non-corrupt president wasn't on the table). They knew he was corrupt, but at least he wasn't forcing them to speak Ukrainian and not forbidding them to engage in the Russian economy.
All the factories in the east were producing products specced for the Russian economy. The west half wanted to shut that down and gear towards EU specced production, which would put most of the eastern pro-Russian citizens out of work.
The Donetsk and entire eastern half of the country wasn't fond of West Ukraine BEFORE the west started bombing their cities and destroying their infrastructure, let alone after.
How do I know these things? Because I read/translated forums frequented by eastern Ukrainians and they told me themselves in their own words what was going on.
Congratulations. You probably know 100x more about Donetsk and the Ukrainian situation than before you started reading.
Nobody in Crimea wanted anything to do with the leaders of the Ukraine coup.
But I think it would be hilarious if you want to try to convince me otherwise.