A reasonable, responsible government that actually cared about people's lives would not be screaming "HORSE DEWORMER, HORSE DEWORMER!"
A reasonable, responsible government would be saying exactly this:
"Even though ivermectin has not been approved by the FDA to treat covid-19, there is still some evidence to suggest it can help reduce the severity and duration of illness. If you attempt to use Ivermectin formulated for large farm animals, make sure to reduce the dosage accordingly to adjust for human body weight so you do do not overdose on medication."
But no, they started screaming, "HORSE DEWORMER!!!"
I hate these people.
Unfortunately, pure dosage is not the only issue.
Ivermectin is not sold over-the-counter for people for a reason. One of the big reasons is that it can interact with other medications (like blood thinners) to create serious problems. Also, it can make breathing problems like asthma worse. Which is why they want doctors to be the ones prescribing it, so they can ensure that side effects and potential interactions with meds, foods, and lifestyle can be monitored safely.
And as I've mentioned before, ivermectin is not the only ingredient in any livestock dewormer. Those pastes are mixed with plenty of ingredients that are inactive in HORSES, but have not been tested for safety in people. Because they never thought people were actually going to take it.
This is different than "human" ivermectin, which is compiled only with ingredients that have been tested and confirmed safe in people. And under MUCH tighter chemical control.
What you decide to put into your body is your choice. But please don't believe that some back-of-the-napkin body weight math is all it takes to beat the system.
Unless you know how to chemically, precisely extract ivermectin from the horse paste into a known, pure concentration (I do not), then you're taking ivermectin PLUS some mystery assortment of chemicals that nobody has bothered to evaluate in people for health effects.
https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ivermectin-Paste_Bimeda_112015_SDS.pdf
Checkmate. This is the MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET for Ivermectin paste. The Material Safety Data Sheet outlines safety hazards around ingestion of a substance, and must include safety hazards for humans associated with all sources, not just for horses.
It lists some proprietary ingredients, and EXPLICITLY STATES they are not classified as dangerous.
That is a dangerous, bullshit, red-herring, gaslighting argument. You have been debunked.
It should be ashamed of itself for supporting the cabal vax control mechanism.
It's just performing it's function. If it didn't it would be replaced by another. Shills have to shill.
I'm actually impressed that you pulled out the MSDS for this. I have a lot of experience reading these.
Can you tell me exactly which part you say, "EXPLICITLY STATES" that these proprietary ingredients are not classified as dangerous?
Section 2.1 is the part that talks about hazards, and it pretty clearly states that there are hazards involved with taking this. Which is why it gets the H203 classification.
3.2 talks about the proprietary ingredients, and states they're not classified. If they were confirmed not to be dangerous, they would be classified. Not being classified means it wasn't tested.
Which isn't uncommon in inactive ingredients in medications not designed for humans. Because they aren't going to risk testing things in people that they don't reasonably expect people to eat.
That is per 1910.1200 a5.iii, which discusses chemicals they don't need to label.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/1910.1200
If they WERE dangerous, they'd be a real big hurry to classify them. Since they are not dangerous, they couldn't be bothered to. That's the way it works. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, man.
If they CARED if it was dangerous for people, then it would be tested and classified. If they expect people to eat it, they will classify it. No question. End of story. Even if they believed it was safe.
Even water has an MSDS sheet, and we literally die without it. It's classified because people will consume it.
https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/00199.htm
They do not care about classifying everything in horse medication, because they didn't expect people to eat horse medication.
There is no hurry or requirement that they test proprietary chemicals designed for and tested for horses if it's exclusively being used in a medication not designed for people.
Testing chemicals on people requires people volunteers. If there is no reasonable expectation that people will be consuming a chemical, they not only WON'T test it on people, but they wouldn't even get approval from the ethics board to do so.
Human testing requires ENORMOUS justification. Legally, ethically, and scientifically.
The fact that you're choosing to eat this stuff does not mean they were expected to predict that people would be eating this stuff. There's not an MSDS for some of the stuff in Tide Pods, either.
Okay, so then they put out a disclaimer telling you what medications you can't take with ivermectin.
And most of the filler ingredients are just that, filler ingredients. You know, to give the paste its consistency or give it apple flavor. These aren't totally crazy untested drugs that are generally put in there.
As I've mentioned before, a "filler" ingredient for a horse is not necessarily inactive in a human.
Example: theobromine. It's in chocolate.
It's not an active ingredient in humans. We eat it, we metabolize it, and it passes through with no interesting effects.
You give it to a dog, and it will kill them, because they cannot metabolize it. Because their body chemistry is different.
Theobromine is inactive in humans and in products that humans eat without us even noticing.
Theobromine is active in dogs, and therefore, would be listed as being present in ANYTHING that is marketed around pet supplies.
"Filler" that has been tested as boring, inactive ingredient in a horse, but has NOT been tested in a human, CANNOT then logically be said to be inactive in a human.
Because it hasn't been tested.
You guys want years and years of more tests for the vaccine before you'd consider it even remotely safe or worthy of FDA approval. This shouldn't be a particularly difficult point for me to make regarding unknown potentially active, untested ingredients in horse medication, but again, it's your choice on what risks you choose to take.
Trying to equate theobromine with filler materials used to make the substance into a paste, or apple flavoring, is laughable and just makes you look stupid.
There's no mystery substance in there that's going to kill humans dead, and you just look like an idiot for gaslighting us.
Then you must work for the horse dewormer companies and could potentially identify the chemical components of the proprietary substances listed on your MSDS that were not tested nor classified.
If you can provide me with the chemical formulae of those substances, I can run a secondary MSDS check on them and tell you what I come up with. I have some time today.
And also, if the substance WERE extremely dangerous, you can bet your ass they'd be in a real big hurry to classify it. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. If it's not poisoning anyone, they won't bother to classify it because there's no need.
This practice was born out of desperation. People have seen multiple doctors praising the effects of Ivermectin in relation to covid, touting their great success and cure rates for the virus. A virus that people have been led to believe could wipe out a huge percentage of humanity. They've also seen far more doctors and pharmacists, vilifying it, refusing to prescribe it or even to fill a duly authorized prescription. Because of this, the desperate have turned to the now infamous 'horse de-wormer.' The OP is correct. If the media and government hadn't scoffed at and created so much derision for the 'miracle drug,' then perhaps doctors wouldn't be terrified of losing everything by prescribing it and this whole situation would never have arisen.
I'm not endorsing or contesting any of that. You can choose to take a risk if you want.
I'm just trying to lay out clearly what that risk is.
People here deride the vaccine because they believe that they don't know everything that's in it, and that any official ingredient lists are lies. Or that the ingredients we are aware of are more dangerous than are being revealed. And so forth.
With "horse dewormer", we don't even know WHAT those ingredients will do in people. We know it doesn't hurt horses. That's it.
But horses have a very different metabolism and body chemistry than we do. So it's a risk.
Maybe you'll be fine. Hopefully you'll be fine. But people deserve to be informed about the risks they're taking by taking medication mixed for horses, even if they're insistent that the vaccine is a greater risk.
ESPECIALLY if they're on any other medications right now, because nothing fucks people up out of nowhere like an unexpected medication interaction.
I'm 100% okay with using the metric of "it's safe for a horse to eat" as a judge of whether or not it's safe for me to eat. The chances of me having a horrible fatal reaction to some filler materials and flavoring (which is probably food grade flavoring, anyway), is miniscule as long as the dosage is correct.
You trust your math a lot more than I do. I have a background in chemistry, and there is no way in hell I'd trust myself to do the kind of chemical mathematics that you're attempting, even with my background in the field. But I'm not the one who is carrying your risk.
Joe Rogan purchased ivermectin pills made for humans.
Your argument is moot.
I didn't bring up Joe Rogan, but if he took pills designed for people, then most of my worries about this dissolve. At least those medications only contain stuff tested for and mixed for people.
And if it came from a doctor, then Rogan ostensibly has been cleared medically for these pills by people who know what to look for as far as side effects and interactions.
I don't have a problem with people taking Ivermectin. I worry about people who try to do a complex pharmacological calculation with no real training or expertise in order to take a "safe" amount of ivermectin from a formula that was never intended for human consumption in the first place and contains definitionally confounding variables.
As I've said, I have done these type of calculations before, and they are WAY more complicated than simply dividing by body weight or something. Chemistry is a fickle bitch, and even when you do it perfectly, entropy will work against you.
I have horses. I also have Durvet 1.87% ivermectin on hand. The box lists only the ivermectin and no other ingredients. Are you saying they're lying to me about what I'm giving my horses?
Looking at a label for one of these boxes right now online. Tell me, does it say, "All ingredients" or "active ingredients"?
Because the one I'm looking at only lists on the box the ACTIVE ingredient.
And you can only label an ingredient as active or inactive for the exact animal species its tested for. Inactive ingredients are rarely listed on animal medication.
An ingredient that is inactive in a horse is not necessarily inactive in a human.
Think about this: a dog cannot eat chocolate. Why not?
It contains theobromine.
In humans, this is an inactive ingredient. We can metabolize it just fine and it does nothing interesting.
Dogs cannot metabolize it. Its an ACTIVE ingredient for them. Which is why it can make them sick or kill them.
Since the box I'm looking at is only listing the ACTIVE ingredient for the horse (the ivermectin) and not the INACTIVE ingredients for the horse, then you can't be sure that any ingredient that is considered inactive in a horse (and therefore not worth listing on the box) is not ACTIVE in a human being.
Because it hasn't been tested in people for activity.
Does that make sense?
Have you looked at the ingredients in vaccines? Many if not all of them include aluminum, formaldehyde and thimerosal, and who in their right mind would want to put that crap in their bodies? You're telling me that the horse de-wormer may be tainted, and I'm telling you that at least some Big Pharma products, by the very ingredients listed, ARE tainted. Additionally, many Big Pharma products, by their own admission, can induce a whole host of unpleasant side effects, including death. IMO, all of this pretty much puts the lie to what Big Pharma's testing for human consumption is all about.
I took an entire tube of horse de-wormer over the course of a couple weeks for a suspected parasite infestation. I'm not dead and the only 'side-effect' I've noticed is that my energy level, which had been depleted for the past year, returned to normal (parasites deplete energy). I also know a lot of other people that have taken the horse de-wormer. They aren't dead, they no longer have the virus they took it for, and they report no ill effects.
I'm glad to hear that you're okay.
And on the converse, I was vaccinated with two shots of Pfizer back in January, along with all of my coworkers, and none of us have had any side effects or medical problems despite being among the first people in the country to be vaccinated.
But the plural of anecdotes is not data. Not for me, not for you.
Mostly bullshit.