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Your first post asserted yourself as a historical authority, and it didn't provide any other source to substantiate your claim.
This post, first paragraph decried the lack of source, and then you said to "google it" without providing a link yourself. This seems somewhat duplicitous and relies on people taking your assertion as a historical expert as fact. Which doesn't really help your case, imho.
The second lacks a source of the record for context. It also fails to convince, given the argument is true, that he was pro-slavery. The tribal people captured were by western counts, both poor and dumb with regard to western technological advancement, so that's harsh but has some truth to it. It also is a common prejudice against people who speak a different language that they are dumb. You can go to France and see that against Americans, or Asia, etc.
Third paragraph doesn't include references and has a lot of conclusions to be accepted as fact without any support.
The fourth paragraph assertion about Lee being "far more evil than good" isn't substantiated.
I personally don't have a dog in this fight, aside from acknowledging that slavery is bad and was right to be made illegal.
I'm just highlighting things similarly to the standard you established earlier in this thread. I suggest if you want to convince, that you do more than appeal to your authority and provide a couple keywords. Cheers.
Yeah fren, not going to be sharing specific information about the universities I attended or the one where I taught. This place is full of bots and shills, and certainly monitored by those interested in doing harm. Won't be revealing anything too personal to compromise my anonymity. You can choose to believe or not believe me when I refer to my credentials.
Again, a simple search of Rev. Dr. Leyburn & Robert E. Lee would have arrived at the original source of the alleged quote previously posted, falsely attributed to Lee, and void of anything close to a reference. I happened to know off the top of my head, the origin of said quotation, and directed to that reference: Rev. Dr. Leyburn. The context of the fake quote is:
Now that I am on my computer and have quick access, here is a link to said source (scroll to page 167).
The quote I provided, an actual quote from Lee, is often used in attempts to make Lee appear to be anti-slavery. As I said, while it's true that Lee expressed some disapproval of slavery, his actions never once matched his words. I used Jefferson as a comparison to show how we can't always just take somebody's words at face value when there is additional evidence to reasonably doubt their sincerity. Despite holding similar views re: ending slavery, like Lee, Jefferson actually DID things to bring about its end. Lee on the other hand, did literally the opposite, and fought to MAINTAIN it.
If you'd like to go down the rabbit hole of learning actual facts about the Rebellion of 1860, free from the influence of Lost Causism, here are some starting points... the following videos are well supported with references:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwCiRao53J1y_gqJJOH6Rcgpb-vaW9wF0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otTsbqK4U7o&t=529s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6DiA_7AjcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3E2FdedPwU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EOhXF5lNgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbEjmEyHf8U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc0GvbzhoWs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Elc1-j6Jrg
For when you have more time for easy reading, you can start with the following... if we knew each other in person, I'd loan you the books off my own shelf ;)
Lost Cause in general: https://tinyurl.com/4h5msr45 https://tinyurl.com/xtdtpvtt https://tinyurl.com/yymtxn3s https://tinyurl.com/9spk73m8 https://tinyurl.com/59ftuzww https://tinyurl.com/sndbxaah
For specific critiques of rebel tactics and Lee re: military "genius" start with: https://tinyurl.com/cbpsemjc https://tinyurl.com/3p52ekjn https://tinyurl.com/t3m5r98s https://tinyurl.com/ydm7mjmb https://tinyurl.com/5r7n3hwn
Happy reading and learning frens!
I appreciate the abundance of links and the quote. My objection that you provided a good quote for Lee but failed to clarify how his actions "never matched the words" is I assume somewhere in all these. This kind of stuff is what I love about this place.
These resources will absolutely answer that question on a much deeper level, but the most basic action that need not any quote, proving Lee's actions not matching his words, is that he literally took up arms against the nation (USA) he pledged an oath to defend, for the purpose of defending a traitorous movement within the state of VA and elsewhere in the "southern states" in order to protect and expand slavery.
An example of real heroes who walked the talk, were the 20-25k Virginians who answered the call to put down the rebellion, including the Rock of Chickamagua These men fought to preserve their country, even when most of their neighbors (like Rebel E. Lee) engaged in treason and insurrection.
Like I said, "we" as "conservatives" need to better understand and explain what happened in 1860... unfortunately, the Democrat/leftist pushing ot Lost Cause propaganda that has been wrongly accepted by advocates of states rights has made it an uphill battle. The "Confederates" (glorified Calhounians) are not our allies... they literally demanded a stronger federal government for the enforcement of one thing, and one thing only: slavery.... stronger fugitive slave laws (Congress overriding state laws, like those of PA) and the legalized expansion of slavery into the western territories (and eventually the entire country... Taney laid the logical foundation for such a conspiracy in the Dred Scott ruling... Lincoln identified it and called it out in his "House Divided" speech)
My only issue with your statements are that for the uninformed you make conclusions like "... for the purpose of defending a traitorous movement.... in order to protect and expand slavery" without any evidence (source). We have to take your word on that, right?
How about if I said "The North's actions were mainly driven by a deep state group involved with human trafficking that wanted access to the south's labor pool", or somesuch, and didn't provide any evidence. You would have to take my word on that, or disregard it completely. Bad example, but hopefully you get my point.
The little I have heard from those pushing back against the war being purely about slavery was that it was a war resisting federal governmental overreach that infringe on states rights. If framed in this way, your conclusion quoted above seems off.
Positive examples are not necessary when the negative conclusion isn't supported.
I'll call it there, as I haven't reviewed your prior links, just replying to help aid your effectiveness in sharing. Thanks.
edit: tl;dr - If you assert something as fact and not opinion, you should provide a link