He posted a picture in our group chat, which is old friends, that included 3 charts.
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Comparing no dose, single dose and double dosed case rate per 100k
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Comparing no dose, single dose, and double dosed ICU/hospitalizations
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Comparing age groups and vaccine status (irrelevant)
He tried to point out that the jab is working based on the fact that the "unvaxxed" are showing high rates of cases and hospitalizations/ICU admission.
Now based on the chart, he was right. However, I asked a simple set of questions and I suggest you to ask these as well. They cannot argue against them.
- What was the ratio of the total number of people tested?
Example: 10k tested, 1k positive, 800 unvaxxed, 200 vaxxed. Ratio of 80:20 is given. However, you only get the true ratio once the ratio of the total is given (which no government gives). Because if 8k people were unvaxxed (out of the 10k total) and 2k were vaxxed, we get a ratio of 80:20 total tested. Meaning theoretically if the ratio was 50:50 for total tests, we could get a positive result of 50:50.
Normie chat member not able to answer the first question
- Can you subtract the number of people in the pool of unvaccinated positive cases who were single dosed but < 15 days? Note: They don't count you as partially vaxxed between 0-13 days. Only on the 15th day are you considered single dosed I asked this question to make it apparent to him that transparency is vital.
Normie chat member not able to answer the second question
- Can you subtract the number of people in hospital/ICU that are:
A) Repeat patients
B) Terminally ill (not due to covid)
C) Chronically ill
D) Nursing home residents
Why? to get an idea of the demographics being affected. The restrictions are applied to the general population, yet you cannot provide data on specific demographics.
Normie chat member not able to answer the third question
He ended up defaulting and calling me a conspiracy theorist at which point ANOTHER normie chat member jumped in and called him out. Pointing out that all I used was basic statistics and nothing else. Arrogant normie chat member hasn't responded since. To anything. Covid chat or non covid chat.
You need to beat them using their own data. It's one of the best ways to accomplish our goal of waking them up.
*Remember they will always default to either you being a conspiracy theorist OR that it's an emergency and they are sure the numbers will be given later. The former is easy to combat since you are using numbers. The latter requires a simple response of logic:
"So if someone dies after receiving a first dose < day 14, they should be counted as unvaccinated statistically?"*
They then fall into a trap they can't get out of and default again.
I bet he ran off to get a booster in order to calm his nerves after that thrashing you gave him.
A major issues with this plandemic is the lack of basic math skills within the general population. They see lines on a graph that point up and their brains shut down.
And basic science skills.
I always told my kids that Math was the most important subject to learn and that you would be using it in some form everyday of your life. Made me smile the day they admitted I was right.
Yes. There is lie,bigger lie and statistics. Luckily governments and officials are incompetent morons or in fact it is all job of white hats if they are not SO incompetent but bit less ;)
While Im a retard with math, I never presume I understand it or even feign the idea that I do. I also dont let 'fancy' charts persuade my understanding of a situation.
Normies don't either. They just follow.
Statistics, specifically. In high school they pushed the algebra II-trigonometry-calculus sequence and didn't encourage anyone to take the statistics course at any point, which would have been far more useful for everyone.
When I was in high school, they didn't have statistics or calculus. I didn't get calculus until college.
I had a normie tell me that media outlets were competitive with each other and independent.
I sent him the “this is very important to our democracy” compilation....he STILL asked me for another example...some literally cannot see it.
It’s frustrating, but other people appreciate watching BS being called out. Even if you don’t see a “like” or a comment, they are watching.
Agreed. Although I have extremely low expectations of them, some of them are logical and will respond if you use numbers and logic. You cannot argue numbers when the person arguing is asking you for more and explaining why it's important and it makes sense.
Others will simply never wake up.
You can't be sharing videos like that. It is extremely dangerous to our democracy.
Indeed. And even if you have "dislikes" you shall continue. Yes,those likes,dislikes and comments of others can create pressure for good or for bad. But on information warfare you shall mostly ignore dislikes.
Kudos. I love it when people who think they are well informed are shown to be duffuses
99.99% of them are uninformed and inept. I used grade school algebra and stats to prove a point and it stumped him. I've done this with doctors on twitter and been banned lol
Of course when the name calling starts you know you already won. And they probably are the same ones who Complained about Trump was mean and called people names.
Nailed it. It's become sport for me to own arrogant normies using logic, numbers and their own historical complaints.
Arguing about charts is not going to get you far with most people. We have fake statistical overload, anyone can make a chart based on misleading data or fake data to say anything. Debunking the avalanche of lies is too much effort and most people will not have the math or science background to follow your argument anyways ("they" know this, gaslighting is the strategy).
So my position is simple: I don't trust the Pharma-Industrial complex or their controlled government agencies, and I do not believe that "human wellbeing" is the prime directive for these powers. For me, the risk-profile of the experimental mRNA therapy is worse than the risk of the virus itself. Therefore, the safest course of action is to maintain good health and immune system, and use anti-viral therapeutics if I believe I am exposed.
"But look at muh charts!"
Don't care. Inject whatever you want. Leave me out of it.
The problem with your argument is that they already have a rebuttal for it; "dO yoU thInK YoU knOW MoRe THan AlL The SciEntists?"
Using numbers causes them to stop at a brick wall. There is no going any further unless you can provide them.
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Anon,you are doing it good and you are right. Shame most of people here don't make use of good ideas how to make things better... Real shame...
But you are right to try to teach some of us. Indeed you are right:
In hostile environment redpilling shall be "disguised" and applied at the beginning in small doses. Never apply redpill contradictory to persons belief,because it wouldn't work. They cannot stop us if they wouldn't start full censorship and paranoia mode - and when they will do this YOU GOT THEM BY THEIR BALLS, and all you have to do is point their behaviour.
One other thing: the number of beds in the ICU NOT being used for COVID vs COVID ICU beds?
To the best of my knowledge, not one hopsiyal has given those numbers out, either.
There's more you could've asked that Normie, like why hopsitals are getting money based on test numbers, COVID case numbers, COVID ICU numbers, and even more $$ for ventilated COVID patients? Why are hospitals denying life saving treatments while ONLY allowing life ending treatments like ventilators?
But, what you did works, too. When we throw critical thoighy and quality research backed by even more critical thought induced questions via the Socratic Method, it melts their brains a d shuts them down. Good job, fren.
I definitely could have gone further but that would cause a malfunction in his brain. The problem with your set of questions is that it requires research into the finances of hospitals which is a massive undertaking. The way I try to put it forth to them is to find me the most basic data which simultaneously is the most important data.
Once they can't, they default but some ask why and that's where we get em.
Well done.
Bravissimo!!! KEK
Kudos to you. I have given up redpilling people altogether after literally countless attempts and was labeled a conspiracy theorist. Most of my friends and family members took the shot (some was forced to do it or starve which Broke my heart the most and I’m sending them ivermectin. The others that chose to take the shot can live with the consequence of their choice). It’s natural selection at this point.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼Keep giving it to them. Proud.
Great questions! Should also ask how they know since testing can't tell if it's covid or the flu.....
The unfortunate part about that is it that they can google it and immediately have a generic response. The idea of asking them to provide partitioned data is to make them provide it to us. This way I don't have to prove covid is a lie, they have to prove to me that the government is not manipulating data. Essentially, they have to prove it's threat level warrants the response.
Yes if we can only get through to the ones who will at least listen then we have a chance. Some however will never think twice and just go with what they are told by the MSM without question
Ive been trying but its damn hard. I wish I had your help because I suck with statistics.
You didn’t beat him, you simply succeeded at confirming his suspicions that you’re a conspiracy theorist moron.
You took the time to create an account on a "conspiracy" site, read through posts and commented on one.I'd call you a moron but that's above your pay grade. Why don't you answer what he couldn't if you're not a moron. The questions are pretty simple.
The nice part is that I am not using any facts. I am asking them for evidence that proves what they believe is indeed a fact. When they fail to do so, it causes some sort of strange black out in their senses lol