FWIW, when catholic and orthodox christians speak of praying to the saints, they are using 'prayer' merely as a synonym for 'ask' (think Shakespeare 'I pray thee', or 'bitte' which means both please and pray in German) -- and what they say to the saints you would almost certainly be fine with, if they were sitting in the same room.:)
It's always understood only God is to be worshipped, but his saints are loved and venerated and therefore often are asked for intercessory prayers, much as you or I might ask each other for prayers for some particular need.
What is interesting is this is a practice going back to the very earliest martyrs -- some of whose tombs have ancient 'prayers' or requests scratched into the walls, and/or written on pottery shards and dropped into crevices in the walls.
And only one teacher, and only one father. Yet, we all speak of human teachers and fathers as well. Everyone who prays on behalf of others is an intercessor - this is not taking away anything from the scripture you reference, but is simply using proper meanings of words.
Jesus is also a being we cannot usually see, so visibility is not necessary for speaking to nor being heard. Clearly satanists can address fallen angels, at least when God permits. We each have at least one angel guardian assigned to us by God, and certainly it is good that we thank our angels and ask their help.
Did you know Mary was sent by God, appearing in physical form, to 3 young children, to warn us of the evils of communism spreading via Russia through the entire world. This was in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, actually exactly when the bolshevik revolution (Red October) was beginning in Russia.
We will respectfully disagree. Think about Paul’s statement that we are all surrounded by a crowd or cloud of witnesses. Those in heaven are far more aware of, and willing to help us, than those on earth.
Hmmm.... I have so many small talks with the One who is my Lawyer before the Father. He represents me before the Father. I know of the officers in Heaven you speak of, and have read of their venerable duties, yet I am only here to give my complete faith in my Representative so that I may know the Father hears and knows me.
Might be worth mentioning what is meant by 'Novena' -- it simply means prayer for 9 consecutive days (or sometimes, other time units). The earliest known novena was the apostles and Jesus' mother Mary, praying in the upper room for 9 days as precursor to/ushering in arrival of the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.
If you want to know the truth, seek our creator with your entire being and He will show you.
For those who are content where they are . . . The Good book is full of admonitions
Revelations 18:4 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Matthew 15:7 7You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
8“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
9in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
1 Timothy 4 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
John 4:22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
I would love it if the angels came and slew the evil. Can you imagine how glorious that would be? Can you imagine Jesus coming back to cleanse the earth and rule? I hope I get to see that.
Let's stick to our one and only Savior Jesus Christ the Almighty who is God incarnate. No need for intermediaries.
If you look seriously at your approach you would realize you are treating God like he is incapable of hearing you without help from someone who is beneath him.
If you pray directly to our counselor and Lord Jesus, I will join you. For Jesus said:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. --- John 1:17
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. -- John 10:9
FWIW, when catholic and orthodox christians speak of praying to the saints, they are using 'prayer' merely as a synonym for 'ask' (think Shakespeare 'I pray thee', or 'bitte' which means both please and pray in German) -- and what they say to the saints you would almost certainly be fine with, if they were sitting in the same room.:)
It's always understood only God is to be worshipped, but his saints are loved and venerated and therefore often are asked for intercessory prayers, much as you or I might ask each other for prayers for some particular need.
What is interesting is this is a practice going back to the very earliest martyrs -- some of whose tombs have ancient 'prayers' or requests scratched into the walls, and/or written on pottery shards and dropped into crevices in the walls.
And only one teacher, and only one father. Yet, we all speak of human teachers and fathers as well. Everyone who prays on behalf of others is an intercessor - this is not taking away anything from the scripture you reference, but is simply using proper meanings of words.
Was Mary speaking to Gabriel not scriptural? ;)
Jesus is also a being we cannot usually see, so visibility is not necessary for speaking to nor being heard. Clearly satanists can address fallen angels, at least when God permits. We each have at least one angel guardian assigned to us by God, and certainly it is good that we thank our angels and ask their help.
Did you know Mary was sent by God, appearing in physical form, to 3 young children, to warn us of the evils of communism spreading via Russia through the entire world. This was in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, actually exactly when the bolshevik revolution (Red October) was beginning in Russia.
We will respectfully disagree. Think about Paul’s statement that we are all surrounded by a crowd or cloud of witnesses. Those in heaven are far more aware of, and willing to help us, than those on earth.
Hmmm.... I have so many small talks with the One who is my Lawyer before the Father. He represents me before the Father. I know of the officers in Heaven you speak of, and have read of their venerable duties, yet I am only here to give my complete faith in my Representative so that I may know the Father hears and knows me.
Very good.
Pray to the One Who created St. Michael, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Then we might finally get some results.
🙏🏻
Sounds good!!
Might be worth mentioning what is meant by 'Novena' -- it simply means prayer for 9 consecutive days (or sometimes, other time units). The earliest known novena was the apostles and Jesus' mother Mary, praying in the upper room for 9 days as precursor to/ushering in arrival of the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.
Looks like Angels had problems with the Devs back then as well... 😜
If you want to know the truth, seek our creator with your entire being and He will show you.
For those who are content where they are . . . The Good book is full of admonitions Revelations 18:4 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Matthew 15:7 7You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 8“‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 9in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
1 Timothy 4 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
Matthew 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ John 4:22“You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23“But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
I'm in!
I would love it if the angels came and slew the evil. Can you imagine how glorious that would be? Can you imagine Jesus coming back to cleanse the earth and rule? I hope I get to see that.
Let's stick to our one and only Savior Jesus Christ the Almighty who is God incarnate. No need for intermediaries.
If you look seriously at your approach you would realize you are treating God like he is incapable of hearing you without help from someone who is beneath him.
Just say'n