FWIW, when catholic and orthodox christians speak of praying to the saints, they are using 'prayer' merely as a synonym for 'ask' (think Shakespeare 'I pray thee', or 'bitte' which means both please and pray in German) -- and what they say to the saints you would almost certainly be fine with, if they were sitting in the same room.:)
It's always understood only God is to be worshipped, but his saints are loved and venerated and therefore often are asked for intercessory prayers, much as you or I might ask each other for prayers for some particular need.
What is interesting is this is a practice going back to the very earliest martyrs -- some of whose tombs have ancient 'prayers' or requests scratched into the walls, and/or written on pottery shards and dropped into crevices in the walls.
And only one teacher, and only one father. Yet, we all speak of human teachers and fathers as well. Everyone who prays on behalf of others is an intercessor - this is not taking away anything from the scripture you reference, but is simply using proper meanings of words.
Jesus is also a being we cannot usually see, so visibility is not necessary for speaking to nor being heard. Clearly satanists can address fallen angels, at least when God permits. We each have at least one angel guardian assigned to us by God, and certainly it is good that we thank our angels and ask their help.
Did you know Mary was sent by God, appearing in physical form, to 3 young children, to warn us of the evils of communism spreading via Russia through the entire world. This was in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, actually exactly when the bolshevik revolution (Red October) was beginning in Russia.
We will respectfully disagree. Think about Paul’s statement that we are all surrounded by a crowd or cloud of witnesses. Those in heaven are far more aware of, and willing to help us, than those on earth.
Hmmm.... I have so many small talks with the One who is my Lawyer before the Father. He represents me before the Father. I know of the officers in Heaven you speak of, and have read of their venerable duties, yet I am only here to give my complete faith in my Representative so that I may know the Father hears and knows me.
Might be worth mentioning what is meant by 'Novena' -- it simply means prayer for 9 consecutive days (or sometimes, other time units). The earliest known novena was the apostles and Jesus' mother Mary, praying in the upper room for 9 days as precursor to/ushering in arrival of the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.
I would love it if the angels came and slew the evil. Can you imagine how glorious that would be? Can you imagine Jesus coming back to cleanse the earth and rule? I hope I get to see that.
Let's stick to our one and only Savior Jesus Christ the Almighty who is God incarnate. No need for intermediaries.
If you look seriously at your approach you would realize you are treating God like he is incapable of hearing you without help from someone who is beneath him.
If you pray directly to our counselor and Lord Jesus, I will join you. For Jesus said:
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. -- John 14:6
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. --- John 1:17
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. -- John 10:9
FWIW, when catholic and orthodox christians speak of praying to the saints, they are using 'prayer' merely as a synonym for 'ask' (think Shakespeare 'I pray thee', or 'bitte' which means both please and pray in German) -- and what they say to the saints you would almost certainly be fine with, if they were sitting in the same room.:)
It's always understood only God is to be worshipped, but his saints are loved and venerated and therefore often are asked for intercessory prayers, much as you or I might ask each other for prayers for some particular need.
What is interesting is this is a practice going back to the very earliest martyrs -- some of whose tombs have ancient 'prayers' or requests scratched into the walls, and/or written on pottery shards and dropped into crevices in the walls.
And only one teacher, and only one father. Yet, we all speak of human teachers and fathers as well. Everyone who prays on behalf of others is an intercessor - this is not taking away anything from the scripture you reference, but is simply using proper meanings of words.
Was Mary speaking to Gabriel not scriptural? ;)
Jesus is also a being we cannot usually see, so visibility is not necessary for speaking to nor being heard. Clearly satanists can address fallen angels, at least when God permits. We each have at least one angel guardian assigned to us by God, and certainly it is good that we thank our angels and ask their help.
Did you know Mary was sent by God, appearing in physical form, to 3 young children, to warn us of the evils of communism spreading via Russia through the entire world. This was in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, actually exactly when the bolshevik revolution (Red October) was beginning in Russia.
We will respectfully disagree. Think about Paul’s statement that we are all surrounded by a crowd or cloud of witnesses. Those in heaven are far more aware of, and willing to help us, than those on earth.
Hmmm.... I have so many small talks with the One who is my Lawyer before the Father. He represents me before the Father. I know of the officers in Heaven you speak of, and have read of their venerable duties, yet I am only here to give my complete faith in my Representative so that I may know the Father hears and knows me.
Very good.
Pray to the One Who created St. Michael, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Then we might finally get some results.
🙏🏻
Sounds good!!
Looks like Angels had problems with the Devs back then as well... 😜
Might be worth mentioning what is meant by 'Novena' -- it simply means prayer for 9 consecutive days (or sometimes, other time units). The earliest known novena was the apostles and Jesus' mother Mary, praying in the upper room for 9 days as precursor to/ushering in arrival of the Holy Spirit, at Pentecost.
I would love it if the angels came and slew the evil. Can you imagine how glorious that would be? Can you imagine Jesus coming back to cleanse the earth and rule? I hope I get to see that.
I'm in!
Let's stick to our one and only Savior Jesus Christ the Almighty who is God incarnate. No need for intermediaries.
If you look seriously at your approach you would realize you are treating God like he is incapable of hearing you without help from someone who is beneath him.
Just say'n