The conclusion of the Christianity mod board for tonight is that we will treat you as having requested an appeal of your ban, and will follow up with you separately about that.
Our statement is not about denouncing himself. We made a decision to ban, and he objected, and so we are taking that as asking us to process a request that he be released from his ban early, even though he did not ask us that formally.
If there had been an immediate unanimous agreement to unban him, it would've happened; instead we agreed to keep discussing it and answer him later. I hope you understand the process.
u/Andy_Man45 has impassioned concerns and we need to communicate to understand those. Nothing I say is intended as asking him to denounce his concerns. I present him with facts that may redirect his stated goals and leave the decision to him.
I haven't been allowed an equal hearing yet. This is what I have to listen to at my "equal" hearing you spread crap everywhere. You are not being sincere or honest.
This is a limited public forum, not a government agency protected by a constitution guaranteeing equal hearings. We decide what an equal hearing is. I'm getting ready to post a separate comment about that.
I do not know why you think this case is still "open," it is not. The first time that I left was my appeal. That appeal was based on constantly being called a liar without evidence. Having conversations with other people being disrupted with false charges brought against me without any proof. I don't need it, I just don't. That's some forum y'all run over there, falsely accuse others and when they ask for evidence, delete them. I came back on a limited basis to see if there was any conciliations given on the previous personally motivated attacks. You cannot and have not shown me where I violated community or forum guidelines, either before or after. I have only "violated" the feelings of one person. Go back and look at the upvotes I received for these offensive comments. Look at the upvotes I received for this OP, during the short time it was aired, which clearly identifies one person, regardless of how you pretend not to be aware of it, these upvoters know what I speak of and apparently they agree.
You are afraid of the light. Think about it. Just like the catholics, they crossed mountains to kill off dissension, you crossed into another forum to kill off me. What are you afraid of discussing?
I don't even know why I bother. You serve a master, and not the same Master as I do.
This is a limited public forum, not a government agency protected by a constitution guaranteeing equal hearings.
No, this a forum that is conducted in the Name of Jesus Christ. We have been instructed to love all in Christ, islamists, freemasons, everyone. In reality, the only true forum guideline is Do Not Point Out The Errors Of The catholic "church." You have lords as you have stated and they have instructed you to assign a watchdog to me so that I do not violate the Golden Rule. I know this. I upset your lord's agenda.
Even though you have sold out, I still have sympathy for you. I know your hands are tied. How do I know this; just using the examples given in this comment thread, "crap," "garbage," calling me a baby, this is the way the Lord wishes us to speak to each other? It is not what comes out of your mouth? Everybody else can see it. Everybody else complains of it. Everybody else has left because of it and now you can add me to the list. Repopulate with shills, preach that old time religion where you speak and they shut up. You "won."
Appeal (see Bill Gothard for development) means reaching out with a request for remedy; what you did I'd call "distance", which is a totally useful method too.
I'm not afraid of light; you may not have yet realized how seriously I take the Bible's instruction that we must first attempt privately and that against elders (tangentially connected) we must have more circumspection, as you haven't addressed those implications directly. It's not about votes either, as mod tools are generally irrespective of votes, as the GAW board's decision to delete as off-topic shows (we requested instead deletion for the rule "respect other readers"). We crossed to this forum to follow your attack. Of course we should have anticipated that we might have that need if we chose to ban, and for neglecting that I apologize.
My protestation that I serve Jesus and have public earthly lines of accountability has not been received. There, I "named the Jew", the only man in heaven and earth who is my master. If you think I serve any other Jew, or any Roman or other, name him. Your hints are not useful and are damaging to the flock, and for them I may need to take personal steps if you think I've left anything unresolved that might invite such an accusation. But for now this page should suffice for that, as long as you honestly tell me what you mean. We can always get witnesses to judge.
No, this a forum that is conducted in the Name of Jesus Christ.
If only! GAW and even Christianity at large are officially conducted by Win Communities, which has an LLC that is responsible, and neither has ever been at large publicly responsible to Jesus. The tagline of Christianity, "in Jesus's name", was not originated as a guarantee of church discipline. However, since I had previously developed a model of how church discipline would work online, I discussed the matter with admin and was permitted to implement a true accountability structure under Jesus, for those members willing to commit to Bible study (not for all). We have just yesterday implemented another phase, allowing us to conduct more discussion among those members with greater enforcement against disruption. Now, technically we can count these two threads as duly constituted under the mod board which is under First Century Bible Church which is under Jesus, and believe me you will have every response Jesus directs; but it's not on account of GAW, but only by their permission. The question is: are you conducting yourself as if in a public forum under his name?
We have been instructed to love all in Christ, islamists, freemasons, everyone.
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you" (Matt. 5:44). However, I find David was also charged with loving his enemies too much (2 Sam. 19:6), so I can understand if you'd like to refine this charge to be more specific.
In reality, the only true forum guideline is Do Not Point Out The Errors Of The catholic "church."
This seems an exaggeration of one or two events. Catholic criticism is welcome if it's not creedal criticism (which is regulated). We had u/Joujigun all over the place and I let him rant and barely engaged except to point out things like the word "priest" does appear in the Bible, which he had flatly denied as a proposition. I'm taking this as a concern about specific events that means we should (1) research and remediate the events and (2) establish a baseline understanding to prevent recurrence.
You have lords as you have stated and they have instructed you to assign a watchdog to me so that I do not violate the Golden Rule. I know this. I upset your lord's agenda.
I have Jesus and, on earth, the FCBC lines. We're pretty hard against soft Catholics. u/CuomoisaMassMurderer, did anyone assign you as a watchdog so that Andy not violate some pro-Catholic rule? It's more likely that Jesus assigned him to you to build toward the airing and resolution of your grievances, and that he and I have misused the good-cop bad-cop dynamic. He's been harsh, and we'll address that, I'm sure I have been too, but the use of tools has been level and we'd be happy to document details. You cannot upset my Lord's agenda.
The board's goal, for the sake of the forum and flock, is to negotiate so that CIAMM and I may be "gained" by you (Matt. 18:15) in relation to the offenses stated, that you may forgive the trespass. So my immediate purpose is, insofar as it is possible within me, to be at peace with you and obtain your forgiveness. This is why they permitted us to structure this discussion for this purpose. Another resolution is if you flatly state you cannot forgive us, in which case we have done our duty to you by making the attempt and we can watch for opportunity for another attempt. We hope we can resolve this bilaterally. Leaving the forum, badmouthing us and the forum, IMHO those are less important, but retaining an offense and holding a request in Jesus's name over us are matters I seek immediate reconciliation for.
Now to get to repeating your specifics, (1) You state you were called a liar, given false unproven charges and false accusations, and deleted, as "personally motivated attacks". (2) You allude to past events where you believe handling of Catholicism was imbalanced. (3) You cite "crap", "garbage", and "baby" in this thread as indication that more needs to be done. These all fall in a category that can be addressed by determining the extent of the offenses described here, remediating them through tools, apologizing honestly, and taking steps to prevent recurrence. While other issues might arise, it seems like these plus my initial list constitute enough to go forward with. CIAMM and I have already apologized and begun retractions of our behavior to address this list.
Only real question then: Do you consent to this previous paragraph's approach as an equal hearing conducted in Jesus's name?
The conclusion of the Christianity mod board for tonight is that we will treat you as having requested an appeal of your ban, and will follow up with you separately about that.
Discussion and negotiation remains open.
RE "we will treat you as having requested an appeal of your ban"
That sounds similar to the Ultimatum given to Jesus & the Apostles = "Just Denounce yourself &
everything, & we can be good."
Our statement is not about denouncing himself. We made a decision to ban, and he objected, and so we are taking that as asking us to process a request that he be released from his ban early, even though he did not ask us that formally.
If there had been an immediate unanimous agreement to unban him, it would've happened; instead we agreed to keep discussing it and answer him later. I hope you understand the process.
u/Andy_Man45 has impassioned concerns and we need to communicate to understand those. Nothing I say is intended as asking him to denounce his concerns. I present him with facts that may redirect his stated goals and leave the decision to him.
I haven't been allowed an equal hearing yet. This is what I have to listen to at my "equal" hearing you spread crap everywhere. You are not being sincere or honest.
This is a limited public forum, not a government agency protected by a constitution guaranteeing equal hearings. We decide what an equal hearing is. I'm getting ready to post a separate comment about that.
I do not know why you think this case is still "open," it is not. The first time that I left was my appeal. That appeal was based on constantly being called a liar without evidence. Having conversations with other people being disrupted with false charges brought against me without any proof. I don't need it, I just don't. That's some forum y'all run over there, falsely accuse others and when they ask for evidence, delete them. I came back on a limited basis to see if there was any conciliations given on the previous personally motivated attacks. You cannot and have not shown me where I violated community or forum guidelines, either before or after. I have only "violated" the feelings of one person. Go back and look at the upvotes I received for these offensive comments. Look at the upvotes I received for this OP, during the short time it was aired, which clearly identifies one person, regardless of how you pretend not to be aware of it, these upvoters know what I speak of and apparently they agree.
You are afraid of the light. Think about it. Just like the catholics, they crossed mountains to kill off dissension, you crossed into another forum to kill off me. What are you afraid of discussing?
I don't even know why I bother. You serve a master, and not the same Master as I do.
This is a limited public forum, not a government agency protected by a constitution guaranteeing equal hearings.
No, this a forum that is conducted in the Name of Jesus Christ. We have been instructed to love all in Christ, islamists, freemasons, everyone. In reality, the only true forum guideline is Do Not Point Out The Errors Of The catholic "church." You have lords as you have stated and they have instructed you to assign a watchdog to me so that I do not violate the Golden Rule. I know this. I upset your lord's agenda.
Even though you have sold out, I still have sympathy for you. I know your hands are tied. How do I know this; just using the examples given in this comment thread, "crap," "garbage," calling me a baby, this is the way the Lord wishes us to speak to each other? It is not what comes out of your mouth? Everybody else can see it. Everybody else complains of it. Everybody else has left because of it and now you can add me to the list. Repopulate with shills, preach that old time religion where you speak and they shut up. You "won."
Placeholder acknowledgment, will answer next.
Appeal (see Bill Gothard for development) means reaching out with a request for remedy; what you did I'd call "distance", which is a totally useful method too.
I'm not afraid of light; you may not have yet realized how seriously I take the Bible's instruction that we must first attempt privately and that against elders (tangentially connected) we must have more circumspection, as you haven't addressed those implications directly. It's not about votes either, as mod tools are generally irrespective of votes, as the GAW board's decision to delete as off-topic shows (we requested instead deletion for the rule "respect other readers"). We crossed to this forum to follow your attack. Of course we should have anticipated that we might have that need if we chose to ban, and for neglecting that I apologize.
My protestation that I serve Jesus and have public earthly lines of accountability has not been received. There, I "named the Jew", the only man in heaven and earth who is my master. If you think I serve any other Jew, or any Roman or other, name him. Your hints are not useful and are damaging to the flock, and for them I may need to take personal steps if you think I've left anything unresolved that might invite such an accusation. But for now this page should suffice for that, as long as you honestly tell me what you mean. We can always get witnesses to judge.
If only! GAW and even Christianity at large are officially conducted by Win Communities, which has an LLC that is responsible, and neither has ever been at large publicly responsible to Jesus. The tagline of Christianity, "in Jesus's name", was not originated as a guarantee of church discipline. However, since I had previously developed a model of how church discipline would work online, I discussed the matter with admin and was permitted to implement a true accountability structure under Jesus, for those members willing to commit to Bible study (not for all). We have just yesterday implemented another phase, allowing us to conduct more discussion among those members with greater enforcement against disruption. Now, technically we can count these two threads as duly constituted under the mod board which is under First Century Bible Church which is under Jesus, and believe me you will have every response Jesus directs; but it's not on account of GAW, but only by their permission. The question is: are you conducting yourself as if in a public forum under his name?
"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you" (Matt. 5:44). However, I find David was also charged with loving his enemies too much (2 Sam. 19:6), so I can understand if you'd like to refine this charge to be more specific.
This seems an exaggeration of one or two events. Catholic criticism is welcome if it's not creedal criticism (which is regulated). We had u/Joujigun all over the place and I let him rant and barely engaged except to point out things like the word "priest" does appear in the Bible, which he had flatly denied as a proposition. I'm taking this as a concern about specific events that means we should (1) research and remediate the events and (2) establish a baseline understanding to prevent recurrence.
I have Jesus and, on earth, the FCBC lines. We're pretty hard against soft Catholics. u/CuomoisaMassMurderer, did anyone assign you as a watchdog so that Andy not violate some pro-Catholic rule? It's more likely that Jesus assigned him to you to build toward the airing and resolution of your grievances, and that he and I have misused the good-cop bad-cop dynamic. He's been harsh, and we'll address that, I'm sure I have been too, but the use of tools has been level and we'd be happy to document details. You cannot upset my Lord's agenda.
The board's goal, for the sake of the forum and flock, is to negotiate so that CIAMM and I may be "gained" by you (Matt. 18:15) in relation to the offenses stated, that you may forgive the trespass. So my immediate purpose is, insofar as it is possible within me, to be at peace with you and obtain your forgiveness. This is why they permitted us to structure this discussion for this purpose. Another resolution is if you flatly state you cannot forgive us, in which case we have done our duty to you by making the attempt and we can watch for opportunity for another attempt. We hope we can resolve this bilaterally. Leaving the forum, badmouthing us and the forum, IMHO those are less important, but retaining an offense and holding a request in Jesus's name over us are matters I seek immediate reconciliation for.
Now to get to repeating your specifics, (1) You state you were called a liar, given false unproven charges and false accusations, and deleted, as "personally motivated attacks". (2) You allude to past events where you believe handling of Catholicism was imbalanced. (3) You cite "crap", "garbage", and "baby" in this thread as indication that more needs to be done. These all fall in a category that can be addressed by determining the extent of the offenses described here, remediating them through tools, apologizing honestly, and taking steps to prevent recurrence. While other issues might arise, it seems like these plus my initial list constitute enough to go forward with. CIAMM and I have already apologized and begun retractions of our behavior to address this list.
Only real question then: Do you consent to this previous paragraph's approach as an equal hearing conducted in Jesus's name?