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2rainbows 2 points ago +2 / -0

Also re "Manipulative persuasion" = it all depends on who such Benefits...:

  1. does it Improve/Better the helped-persons LIFE... ie both Quantity+Quality

  2. IF "Manipulative persuasion" is used to gently Force someone for YOUR sole benefit, then it is wrong.

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

First off, I have told you before re the utterly defenseless ! christian... Proclivity of

choosing "YOU offended me, or I am offended & YOU are the cause, & YOU better Apologize (by castrating yourself before me, as it were). It's crappy behaviors like that All-high+mighty Arrogance, that makes me AVOID most christians.

So do >I< ever get Offended? YES. When a person INTENDS harming or hurting me, or someone else (as do the 3-letter agencies, Or even just 1 person), I Choose to be offended. AND yes, such Abusive behaviors DO merit Apologies at the very least.

So what started all that ^^ you ask? - By you typing "offended" thrice in 2 sentences :) I am just explaining myself, Again - as you seem to have forgotten :)

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

RE ""Ganging up on you." Context is always king. The only friction Andy and I ever experienced was his constant Catholic bashing. Anytime, anywhere, anyhow ..."

Brother, of course "constant Catholic bashing" was/is wrong of Andy. - Neither did I support that. The fact that he had his own daughter marry a Catholic was most likely the straw that broke the camel's back for him. - It's almost as IF he's taking out his personal anger & frustrations on the Internet... Maybe 2 sessions with a Competent-therapist would help him Resolve this.

When I responded to Andy, I was simply letting him know that I Understand how he could be FEELING is understandable. I was Not saying "Keep doing it".

Also "ganging up on you" I understand personally, after being put thru such over 2 lifetimes :) far too often.

RE "When I finally took it out of the public eye it should have been resolved privately" <- What I get from that, is you telling me: "Sister, go away & leave us 3 alone." <-- IF that's what you Intend, okay I will say no more. Fini.

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

re "Then Andy chose to vent here, for logic that still eludes me."

Brother, - it "eludes" you, because both of you mods were+are on the other side of the Divide, or Fence. - Please read my response to Andy just now because I have Experienced (countless times in my life) much of what Andy may have felt? --- It is NO cake-walk feeling people are bound & determined to gang up on you, & then demand Apologies. - I think, like all of us at sundrous points in our life, Andy is in a hard spot.

Hopefully Andy takes Jesus' hand again & soon Allows Jesus' Love & peace & joy to carry him onward...

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

Brother, I am sorry. -

u/Andy_Man45 - From my own life-experiences, I do understand no-one

likes to be called bad names like "idiot, & liar" etc.. And too It's OKAY to be upset, particularly when you don't think there's a chance of getting to Resolution & behavioral change via (PM's = I don't like them either) as I told Swampy, because a moderator has power & when you get 2 mods Fully supporting each other, it is like they're destined to gang up on you, - so it's over before it begins. Thus I can understand Why you thought doing that mess in Public was the only way forward. -- Too, given the circumstances some of your responses here I thought were Understandable also. So you Released some of your frustrations & anger from you, & that has got to feel good...., so What now?

The Time-out is about ended, right? - I ask you Andy : How would you like to Re-integrate into our group in which we share...to PRAISE God via our Individual & Collective SPIRITUAL (albeit often weirdly struggling) group. - I can think of 1 or better 2 ways that YOU can contribute straight away.

Ready? - See, CIAMM's son's house Burned to the ground. It did. The dog is fine. But his adult son needs 6 surgeries for his BURN-injuries, - so while he is in ICU would you Please join us in fervent prayer https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/13zgNlU548/community-prayers-for-ciamms-son/c/ - Even if you still don't much Care for either of the 2 mods, - You would Show... by your own Example... How to LIVE the Bible you teach so well...

God/Jesus would like this action on your part very much, Agreed?

Also, what has Jesus been Sharing with you during these difficult days? You know Jesus LOVES you 100% perfectly... True. And you also know that LIFE is God's present to you, & how you Choose... living this life is your gift to Jesus

Welcome back, Andy :)

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2rainbows 2 points ago +2 / -0

Swampy, - may I ask why you Intentionally... phrase your questions (whether to Andy, or any other person for that matter) which BIND the other party, such that they are Not allowed to express their Perceptions... but are stuck with only your own. -

Asking because that MO is Intentionally Manipulative, you know.

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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

Nuts ~ to that ^ All I can say is, wait for it.... Thank God I'm Not a moderator... in christianity.

However I have successfully Intervened & moderated & brought to successful Outcomes in real life, with parties bodily in front of me. iow I know it can be done :)

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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

Hi Andy - Please, - obviously you were or ARE still Very upset... or else Why would you type "the installed catholics low IQ filthy mouth, your rage..." does the 1st mean CIAMM, & the rage means SR ? Hopefully am wrong, or again clueless which is nothing new.

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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

Wait - re "rather than starting three attack threads" - did Andy really start THREE ?

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

Actually, the word for ALL that is 'Crazy-MAKING...' where 1 person, plus (in my case 98++ others) say & do Abusive things, that they Blame on me & demand my "Apology-&-Repentance" for - when I had nothing to do with Any of it. And

making matters worse, because of my Naivete in wanting to live in a perfect world, I then aquiesce... to the wolves, which is just the excuse they're looking for, to keep the whole scheme going for (in my case) 63 years, YIKES!.

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

so Gaslighting is Illegal acting, that when Reported, other people think you're crazy? - If that's right, doesn't this Strengthen Andy's position in his case? -

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2rainbows 3 points ago +3 / -0

Swampy, RE "Again, my best suggestion at this hour is that

  1. we delete these public threads, that
  2. we end the ban early, & that
  3. we thrash it out in a 3-way." - Sounds like a Doable plan.
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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

What is "gaslighting" ? Sounds DEADly to me. Sorry that I don't understand Internet language, like everyone else, apparently.

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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

Andy, please explain - WHY (other than being pissed off) you started a 2nd. thread ?? - What are you Hoping this will achieve, that your first thread could not? I don't get it.

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2rainbows 2 points ago +3 / -1

Swampy - this response makes no sense, at least to me. For one thing, as Logical as you usually are: Why did you "Forget civility & judicious statement of the case within the ban reasons" ?

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2rainbows 4 points ago +4 / -0

CIAMM, - can we talk about this later?, when your son is in a better state with his Burn-issues, just Mainly focus on your precious son now. -

Yet if you Insist on an answer now, Yes - I have personally Witnessed you call countless... people Names that I do not, with few exceptions. (Yes I also use judgmental words such as 'fool & idiot', but much less often than do you).

I really don't want to burden you with these issues now. -

With all my heart, I want your own adult son Healed, plus Accept Jesus as his ALL = Creator+ Daddy+ Teacher+ SAVIOR+ Best-friend+ Resurrector) okay :) You have the opportunity to Guide his steps towards becoming another Son of the Most High. This is my most fervent prayer now, truthfully.

Okay ?

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2rainbows 1 point ago +4 / -3

RE "we will treat you as having requested an appeal of your ban"

That sounds similar to the Ultimatum given to Jesus & the Apostles = "Just Denounce yourself &

everything, & we can be good."

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2rainbows 2 points ago +4 / -2

"Responsible Christian elders" was not the issue here.

Moderator(s) taking license... to act emotionally abusive, & Repeatedly is the issue.

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2rainbows 1 point ago +3 / -2

re "Thank you for pointing that out. The first answer I can give you

obviously a moderator who forgot about the ban reason appearing in the public log." - So where is the Transparency??

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2rainbows 1 point ago +3 / -2

RE "I found this in c/Christianity/logs "A moderator banned user Andy_Man45 - 3 days with reason: Stop acting a fool. Disruption of the community is not the purpose. We should expect your hormonal balance to have your feathers ruffled for 3 days, during which you'd need a baby"

If u/Andy_Man45's post is a "disruptive personal attack," which mod had the idea of responding to him with a personal attack too?"

Hi u/Andy_Man45 - You were BANNED?? - But you just Voluntarily got back to the Forum, after Voluntarily leaving the last time you were called a "liar" repeatedly. -

Myself DIStancing after yesterday something Shocking was Disclosed to me, -

I do Not know what has befallen you this time around. You are a KNOWledgable christian who I look up to for that. For this selfish reason I want you to Stay in the forum. Maybe how much I Appreciate you doesn't mean much, that I can understand, but this latest disaster... is UNjust.

For the record, just because someone is promoted to "moderator"-status does NOT give them the right to LORD-over others & call them Abusive... names , simply because they can get away... with so doing. Swampy has told us before "US MODERATORS STICK TOGETHER" - iow there are "NO consequences for Abusive-moderator behavior" ??

Instead, such a moderator should be strongly Admonished to Self-moderate their own behavior.

Failure to so do, only encourages a moderator's Emotional abuse to continue... as evidently today once again. And - in c/Christianity/logs... that QUOTE is Nowhere's to be found. much like DS actions = trying to cover up actions already. Doubly shameful.

PS: re "We should expect your hormonal balance to have your feathers ruffled for 3 days, during which you'd need a baby = what does that mean, & how is it even Addressing the issue ??

People are not just leaving the forum over other members, but also over the Moderators. - Dear Jesus please come take us HOME Quick...

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2rainbows 1 point ago +1 / -0

Recently I shared Facts about the so-called "organ donation" Procedure. - Yes, I worked 40 years mostly in ICU-environments so I also know a thing or 3 about such atrocities https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/13zN1VTQuI/christian-organ-donor--once-anot/c

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2rainbows 2 points ago +2 / -0

Right. - Look, I mentioned Nick in my latest thread :) https://communities.win/c/Christianity/p/13zN1a1I6a/together-with-jesus-is-worth-mor/c- Swampy Hopefully you are doing good :)

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2rainbows 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have used Nick's Incredibly-Inspirational videos... in classes & also with Individuals I've guided to their desired Outcomes.

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