Thanks for your insight. From my understanding it isn't a new or different Jesus, simply that the members of the Church of Jesus Christ (still not sure why you call them Momorns, but to each their own) believe that God is the father of Jesus Christ, Jesus a different physical entity, but the same in mindset & goal (like a family being on the same page they are unified & one, yet separate individuals), and the Holy Ghost is a 3rd member of that God head (not sure if advisor or assistant would be a good anology there).
If I can raise my consciousness & become more like God in an elevated state/vibration like this board discusses frequently, then I can see that fitting right in with that type of belief. I may be wrong though. End of the day, anyone who give their time and energy to serving their fellow man & helping their neighbors find truth is doing pretty good IMO. The Church of Jesus Christ has some pretty great welfare & emergency respond programs that are not funded by the government, but by individuals who can choose to simply not donate anymore if they don't believe in the leadership/program anymore. Try doing that to the IRS & we go to jail or prison. I have found through study of multiple religions that there is far more that is similar than different & that far too many who claim to believe in Christ are more worried about finding the "right type" of Jesus instead of following in his footsteps & living by his example in all aspects of their lives to the best of their understanding. Granted I tend to think of him like an unconditionally loving big brother that just wants me to stop doing the dumb stuff kids do & follow his good example.
Yeah check out that video. It's short and covers all the major differences.
Ultimately you've got to remember that being a Christian isn't about good works. That's not what gets us into heaven. In fact in the Bible it says outside of Christ are good works are nothing but filthy or dirty rags to God. That actually translates to menstrual rags.
Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon church. He was a convicted con man. He made outrageous claims such as he found a book of golden tablets by direction of an Angel and actually gave the measurements of them and if you were to make these same tablets in lead you wouldn't be able to pick them up. But Joseph Smith said that he ran with these tablets through the woods while being chased by a bear.
He bought an Egyptian papyrus from a traveling show person that he said was a lost book of the Bible. He claimed it was in reformed hieroglyphics. Mind you this is before the Rosetta Stone was discovered and anyone was able to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics at all.
Not that long ago this papyrus was found again in the basement of some museum. Mormon scholars got all excited because this was going to prove that Joseph Smith was right. Well it turns out that it was just a basic Egyptian burial scroll looted from a tomb.
He also claimed that native Americans were a lost tribe of Israel. Modern DNA testing shows that to be completely false as well.
There are tons of other problems with the book of Mormon and the pearl of great price. For example talking about horses in America before the settlers came over and brought them. He was a good con man but not incredibly versed in history.
At the Old testament of the Bible was Star wars A New Hope and the New testament was The empire strikes back, The book of Mormon claims to be returning the Jedi but really it's just Spaceballs.
Do a deep dive into haplo group X for the DNA. This claim that no native American DNA is of middle east descent has been debunked.
Interestingly the "House of Lehi" was recently discovered out in the middle east along a trade route that the book of mormon lines up with from that family fleeing those lands. Though that too may be a coincidence.
I have never heard the bear story, can I get some sauce on that?
I have not seen any legal suit that officially convicted him as a con artist, and I am open to new information if it exists.
I will need to find the podcast I watched recently where there was shown a reformed Egyptian language that was used mostly for trade, I didn't think about it much until you said something here. That is a fascinating coincidence to me, thank you.
End of the day, we haemve had so many lies piled on by our government & world governments for centuries that I just cannot take any claims made by them at face value & figure that today we see a type of this in the vilification of Donald Trump. I have had lefty friends show me media spun BS to try & convince me the propoganda against Sydney Powell is accurate. When I show them what really happened with the cases & how lawyers twist everything with the help of the media they just refuse to see that MSM could ever lie or decieved them.
For myself, I love to see new evidences & make my own decisions & welcome any data you can offer. I will look for links for the points I brought up when I get some extra down time fren.
I welcome & appreciate your help & concern. You seem pretty awesome, though I still generally believe that we have been lied to about so many things in history that we simply do not know where that deception really begins & how much propoganda is just hanging there that many of us are unaware of.
Finding Joy in Christ. Feeding his sheep. Loving your neighbor as you love yourself, Loving God with all your heart mind & strength, repenting & fixing your mistakes to become a better person, these are things we all should be doing.
The Apologia Studios has some wonderful debates and discussions with Mormons in front of the temple and elsewhere. Many if not all of these topics are covered. Years of content. The debates are respectful and Biblically sound using the Mormons own resources.
There's even a guy (not from our church) that's famous for bringing a radio flyer wagon with steel replicas of the tablets Joseph Smith said he hound in gold with the same dimensions and he challenges Mormons to try to pick them up. Then he asks if they could run from a wild animal with them.
I'm at work so I can't browse for any videos on youtube or much of anything. Let me know if you have problems finding something though.
Thanks for your insight. From my understanding it isn't a new or different Jesus, simply that the members of the Church of Jesus Christ (still not sure why you call them Momorns, but to each their own) believe that God is the father of Jesus Christ, Jesus a different physical entity, but the same in mindset & goal (like a family being on the same page they are unified & one, yet separate individuals), and the Holy Ghost is a 3rd member of that God head (not sure if advisor or assistant would be a good anology there).
If I can raise my consciousness & become more like God in an elevated state/vibration like this board discusses frequently, then I can see that fitting right in with that type of belief. I may be wrong though. End of the day, anyone who give their time and energy to serving their fellow man & helping their neighbors find truth is doing pretty good IMO. The Church of Jesus Christ has some pretty great welfare & emergency respond programs that are not funded by the government, but by individuals who can choose to simply not donate anymore if they don't believe in the leadership/program anymore. Try doing that to the IRS & we go to jail or prison. I have found through study of multiple religions that there is far more that is similar than different & that far too many who claim to believe in Christ are more worried about finding the "right type" of Jesus instead of following in his footsteps & living by his example in all aspects of their lives to the best of their understanding. Granted I tend to think of him like an unconditionally loving big brother that just wants me to stop doing the dumb stuff kids do & follow his good example.
I will check out that link, thanks :D
Yeah check out that video. It's short and covers all the major differences.
Ultimately you've got to remember that being a Christian isn't about good works. That's not what gets us into heaven. In fact in the Bible it says outside of Christ are good works are nothing but filthy or dirty rags to God. That actually translates to menstrual rags.
Joseph Smith was the founder of the Mormon church. He was a convicted con man. He made outrageous claims such as he found a book of golden tablets by direction of an Angel and actually gave the measurements of them and if you were to make these same tablets in lead you wouldn't be able to pick them up. But Joseph Smith said that he ran with these tablets through the woods while being chased by a bear.
He bought an Egyptian papyrus from a traveling show person that he said was a lost book of the Bible. He claimed it was in reformed hieroglyphics. Mind you this is before the Rosetta Stone was discovered and anyone was able to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics at all.
Not that long ago this papyrus was found again in the basement of some museum. Mormon scholars got all excited because this was going to prove that Joseph Smith was right. Well it turns out that it was just a basic Egyptian burial scroll looted from a tomb.
He also claimed that native Americans were a lost tribe of Israel. Modern DNA testing shows that to be completely false as well.
There are tons of other problems with the book of Mormon and the pearl of great price. For example talking about horses in America before the settlers came over and brought them. He was a good con man but not incredibly versed in history.
At the Old testament of the Bible was Star wars A New Hope and the New testament was The empire strikes back, The book of Mormon claims to be returning the Jedi but really it's just Spaceballs.
Do a deep dive into haplo group X for the DNA. This claim that no native American DNA is of middle east descent has been debunked.
Interestingly the "House of Lehi" was recently discovered out in the middle east along a trade route that the book of mormon lines up with from that family fleeing those lands. Though that too may be a coincidence.
I have never heard the bear story, can I get some sauce on that?
I have not seen any legal suit that officially convicted him as a con artist, and I am open to new information if it exists.
I will need to find the podcast I watched recently where there was shown a reformed Egyptian language that was used mostly for trade, I didn't think about it much until you said something here. That is a fascinating coincidence to me, thank you.
End of the day, we haemve had so many lies piled on by our government & world governments for centuries that I just cannot take any claims made by them at face value & figure that today we see a type of this in the vilification of Donald Trump. I have had lefty friends show me media spun BS to try & convince me the propoganda against Sydney Powell is accurate. When I show them what really happened with the cases & how lawyers twist everything with the help of the media they just refuse to see that MSM could ever lie or decieved them.
For myself, I love to see new evidences & make my own decisions & welcome any data you can offer. I will look for links for the points I brought up when I get some extra down time fren.
I welcome & appreciate your help & concern. You seem pretty awesome, though I still generally believe that we have been lied to about so many things in history that we simply do not know where that deception really begins & how much propoganda is just hanging there that many of us are unaware of.
Finding Joy in Christ. Feeding his sheep. Loving your neighbor as you love yourself, Loving God with all your heart mind & strength, repenting & fixing your mistakes to become a better person, these are things we all should be doing.
The Apologia Studios has some wonderful debates and discussions with Mormons in front of the temple and elsewhere. Many if not all of these topics are covered. Years of content. The debates are respectful and Biblically sound using the Mormons own resources.
There's even a guy (not from our church) that's famous for bringing a radio flyer wagon with steel replicas of the tablets Joseph Smith said he hound in gold with the same dimensions and he challenges Mormons to try to pick them up. Then he asks if they could run from a wild animal with them.
I'm at work so I can't browse for any videos on youtube or much of anything. Let me know if you have problems finding something though.