Why did you start a second thread, Andy? Now I need to ask you to pull both of them. We don't have any known Catholic mods; I'm Hebrew-roots, u/CuomoisaMassMurderer is Orthodox, and the others deliberately don't share that data publicly. I'm all up for Catholic criticism; I tried to enfold the strong Catholic critic we had last week, but he fell apart in the sense that nobody was buying his take and he eventually deleted his account. The fun threads are linked from "inquiry forum" in our new sidebar.
Again, my best suggestion at this hour is that we delete these public threads that attack us mods, that we end the ban early, and that we thrash it out in a 3-way. Can you consent to this or propose an alternative? It's important to me that I don't imbalance the forum toward Catholicism in some blindspot fashion. Is it a fair baseline to admit professing Catholics who support the creeds and to admit criticism of Catholic leaders and practices? I never could tell what was wrong with our baseline in your view.
I have no fear to "name the Jew" either, since you've hinted that you think we might be shilling for any person or position. From day one I've informed people of my accountability structure through SwampRangers.com and you can check them out and tell me if you see any secret Jewish conspiracy there. I do have this problem, I worship exactly one Jew. Aside from that I have no affiliation for or against any Jewish or other race-based advocacy and will be happy to supply any other denial statement you find useful. It's because of my transparency that I can look at each race- and religion-based issue in the Biblical light, as far as the Lord shows me right.
So I've said, whatever imbalance you perceive we can address. Please answer.
Thanks! The GAW mods deleted the threads at our request (they are still visible to those with the link but are removed from the main forum). We should have a ban decision before morning. It appears u/Andy_Man45 will continue the 3-way within the deleted threads (semiprivately) rather than privately and the board has accepted that.
Maybe you can remind Andy that we two and he all agreed to use Matthew 18 to resolve offenses arising out of Bible study, 6 months ago? I'm just seeking what I can do to obtain his forgiveness and see his offense released.
You ask me to do these things behind closed doors where you can gaslight me. And I'm sure I'll have to listen to the pagan run his filthy, low IQ mouth at the same time, with no recourse to it as usual. Gee, thanks but no thanks.
And since you have no time for searching your own heart, I must ask you, in the Name of Jesus Christ, to relinquish the forum, that is in His Name, in which you have violated your own rules, bringing false witness against me.
Ingrid Bergman starred in the film Gaslight, where her character's husband constantly lies to her, blames her with things he secretly set up, and leads her to believe she is imagining changes in the gaslight (which are actually evidence of his deception). So it means lying thoroughly about something that should be verifiable in an attempt to make the other suspect their own reason.
I know you'll have more to say about that from your experience observing abusive people!
Actually, the word for ALL that is 'Crazy-MAKING...' where 1 person, plus (in my case 98++ others) say & do Abusive things, that they Blame on me & demand my "Apology-&-Repentance" for - when I had nothing to do with Any of it. And
making matters worse, because of my Naivete in wanting to live in a perfect world, I then aquiesce... to the wolves, which is just the excuse they're looking for, to keep the whole scheme going for (in my case) 63 years, YIKES!.
so Gaslighting is Illegal acting, that when Reported, other people think you're crazy? - If that's right, doesn't this Strengthen Andy's position in his case? -
You're behind closed doors now, the GAW mods agreed with u/CuomoisaMassMurderer and I, and deleted these two threads as off-topic for this forum. Only people who have the link can see it, such as those who visit your user profile.
I honestly thought you were a strong upholder of Matthew 18:15 ff.: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother." Have you obeyed this command, or do you think it doesn't apply?
I will take all the time I have to seek God (including within my heart) for the answers here. I count you as a brother and your use of the Lord's name is painful to me. If he told me that one or both of us should step down, I'd submit.
But if you're going to prosecute charges they need to be cognizable. You used "false witness". In context I found one comment from CIAMM that applies by containing the word "ridiculous". Would you like him to edit that? That could've been done privately as Jesus said rather than starting three attack threads.
This is a lie. I get shouted down over comments that are within all community guidelines, when I try to respond I get deleted. More important than even this, who made this guy the pope and the sole authority in all biblical matters?
Attack = Telling the truth. When I put up a "public" post, I am opening myself up for comments against my position. I am not afraid of airing this out. Not at all. 24 upvotes, comments that agree with me, comments of people trying to tiptoe all around the subject matter. Perfect thing to discuss among the body of Christ, is it not? The harlot church wants to shut the lights off. Climb any mountain, cross any border to silence dissent, for real.
Why did you start a second thread, Andy? Now I need to ask you to pull both of them. We don't have any known Catholic mods; I'm Hebrew-roots, u/CuomoisaMassMurderer is Orthodox, and the others deliberately don't share that data publicly. I'm all up for Catholic criticism; I tried to enfold the strong Catholic critic we had last week, but he fell apart in the sense that nobody was buying his take and he eventually deleted his account. The fun threads are linked from "inquiry forum" in our new sidebar.
Again, my best suggestion at this hour is that we delete these public threads that attack us mods, that we end the ban early, and that we thrash it out in a 3-way. Can you consent to this or propose an alternative? It's important to me that I don't imbalance the forum toward Catholicism in some blindspot fashion. Is it a fair baseline to admit professing Catholics who support the creeds and to admit criticism of Catholic leaders and practices? I never could tell what was wrong with our baseline in your view.
I have no fear to "name the Jew" either, since you've hinted that you think we might be shilling for any person or position. From day one I've informed people of my accountability structure through SwampRangers.com and you can check them out and tell me if you see any secret Jewish conspiracy there. I do have this problem, I worship exactly one Jew. Aside from that I have no affiliation for or against any Jewish or other race-based advocacy and will be happy to supply any other denial statement you find useful. It's because of my transparency that I can look at each race- and religion-based issue in the Biblical light, as far as the Lord shows me right.
So I've said, whatever imbalance you perceive we can address. Please answer.
Swampy, RE "Again, my best suggestion at this hour is that
Thanks! The GAW mods deleted the threads at our request (they are still visible to those with the link but are removed from the main forum). We should have a ban decision before morning. It appears u/Andy_Man45 will continue the 3-way within the deleted threads (semiprivately) rather than privately and the board has accepted that.
Maybe you can remind Andy that we two and he all agreed to use Matthew 18 to resolve offenses arising out of Bible study, 6 months ago? I'm just seeking what I can do to obtain his forgiveness and see his offense released.
You ask me to do these things behind closed doors where you can gaslight me. And I'm sure I'll have to listen to the pagan run his filthy, low IQ mouth at the same time, with no recourse to it as usual. Gee, thanks but no thanks.
And since you have no time for searching your own heart, I must ask you, in the Name of Jesus Christ, to relinquish the forum, that is in His Name, in which you have violated your own rules, bringing false witness against me.
What is "gaslighting" ? Sounds DEADly to me. Sorry that I don't understand Internet language, like everyone else, apparently.
Ingrid Bergman starred in the film Gaslight, where her character's husband constantly lies to her, blames her with things he secretly set up, and leads her to believe she is imagining changes in the gaslight (which are actually evidence of his deception). So it means lying thoroughly about something that should be verifiable in an attempt to make the other suspect their own reason.
I know you'll have more to say about that from your experience observing abusive people!
Actually, the word for ALL that is 'Crazy-MAKING...' where 1 person, plus (in my case 98++ others) say & do Abusive things, that they Blame on me & demand my "Apology-&-Repentance" for - when I had nothing to do with Any of it. And
making matters worse, because of my Naivete in wanting to live in a perfect world, I then aquiesce... to the wolves, which is just the excuse they're looking for, to keep the whole scheme going for (in my case) 63 years, YIKES!.
so Gaslighting is Illegal acting, that when Reported, other people think you're crazy? - If that's right, doesn't this Strengthen Andy's position in his case? -
You're behind closed doors now, the GAW mods agreed with u/CuomoisaMassMurderer and I, and deleted these two threads as off-topic for this forum. Only people who have the link can see it, such as those who visit your user profile.
I honestly thought you were a strong upholder of Matthew 18:15 ff.: "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother." Have you obeyed this command, or do you think it doesn't apply?
I will take all the time I have to seek God (including within my heart) for the answers here. I count you as a brother and your use of the Lord's name is painful to me. If he told me that one or both of us should step down, I'd submit.
But if you're going to prosecute charges they need to be cognizable. You used "false witness". In context I found one comment from CIAMM that applies by containing the word "ridiculous". Would you like him to edit that? That could've been done privately as Jesus said rather than starting three attack threads.
This is a lie. I get shouted down over comments that are within all community guidelines, when I try to respond I get deleted. More important than even this, who made this guy the pope and the sole authority in all biblical matters?
Wait - re "rather than starting three attack threads" - did Andy really start THREE ?
Yes, one attack thread on our forum (immediately deleted) and then two here.
Attack = Telling the truth. When I put up a "public" post, I am opening myself up for comments against my position. I am not afraid of airing this out. Not at all. 24 upvotes, comments that agree with me, comments of people trying to tiptoe all around the subject matter. Perfect thing to discuss among the body of Christ, is it not? The harlot church wants to shut the lights off. Climb any mountain, cross any border to silence dissent, for real.