Since all these people have been involved with long-range ballistic missiles and orbital flight, they most definitely do not believe in a "flat non-rotating earth." That is an approximation valid only where the distances reduce the flight path to a parabola and the time of flight is too short for earth rotation to be significant. Think being in your living room. Is the floor flat? Is the room rotating? (Actually, it is rotating, at about 0.0007 RPM, but try to notice it.) One of my favorite orbital mechanics texts is the one they use at the Air Force Academy.
If you have a case, it can be presented in a few sentences. It is not a subtle concept. You don't need 5 hours. I've seen these videos. All they amount to are recitations of the inability to understand certain phenomena---or to just have a fundamental misunderstanding. In all this, I think I am the only one who is offering information and explanation. If you want to prove the existing photographic evidence is bunk, offer your own photographic evidence. Ah, but you don't have any. And all you can do is complain about limitations. Funny that we understood the spherical earth from the 3rd century B.C. without any fancy science, and now that we are in the 21st century, you can't do anything but make videos about misunderstandings. Why not point out phenomena that can ONLY be explained by a flat earth? You can't. On that point, you are impotent.
Since when did the Bible believe in a flat, non-rotating earth? I've read it 3 or 4 times, paying attention each time. It only speaks of the territory of Israel (and Babylon). The Book of Job refers to the earth being hung in space from the northern wastes. Sure sounds like a dangling ball capable of rotating about the poles. In any case, that is what it is, as God has give us eyes to see and a mind to understand. If we are faithful to God, we believe what He gives us to see. Even Jesus commanded Thomas to see for himself.
At a height of, say, a thousand kilometers, it should be possible to see the whole earth as a round object (though maybe only a small fraction of the whole; greater altitude allows a greater picture). We see aircraft passing over the horizon from ground level, every day. It is hard to tell what you mean by "curvature of the earth." I have never spoken of it in connection with the lateral view of the horizon (though that does become more visibly curved with higher altitude). But it does arise from objects that pass over the horizon and are lost from view. In any case, we have flown around the earth and orbited around it, facts which you cannot disprove, so you need to get used to them.
NASA - https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf Page 12, many many more examples... But remember, we must take into account the Coriolis effect, haha, especially with the earth rotating at 1037mph, and orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph. 666! Many many many more government documents on "flat non-rotating earth".
This guy has a serious case of cognitive dissonance. I just argued with him for a week and he gave up when I told him to look up the definition of horizon and tell me where it mentions anything about earth curve. He thinks the moon missions were real lmao.
Yes. That's the way it is with all exposures of reality. It doesn't take much. And you can't do it. Give me the photograph taken from the Empire State Building of the Eiffel Tower. Show me the photograph of the coast of Africa taken from the coast of Florida. Show me the photograph of Mt. Rainier taken from Hawaii. All it takes is a good telescope and a camera, if you are right---but you don't have any such proofs. They would be pathetically easy to accomplish, but you just don't have them, do you? You ought to think about that.
I also thought of something we haven't discussed: seismic determination of the structure of the Earth. We have a crust, beneath which is a mantle, under which is a core, divided into liquid and solid portions. We derive this picture from sound waves that travel throughout the inner earth to all regions of the world, so the data is compared and integrated. No flat earth results from all this.
We also haven't talked about the fact that it is impossible to accurately present large areas of the Earth on flat maps, because of the distortions resulting from flattening the spherical trigonometry into plane trigonometry. All the map projection systems are approximations, some better than others (the best being polyhedral projections). Why would this be the case, if the geometry is flat to begin with?
Since I am not a "shill" (whatever that is supposed to mean), you are free as a bird. Air quality also affects refraction over the horizon, which can happen (and does, dramatically for radar). Or are you unaware? Your arguments about air quality are pathetically convenient and self-serving. You have no attempted photos? How about from higher altitude? A photo from a plane over Europe showing the tip of South Africa? Flying from Buenos Aires to Durban and logging the distance---then comparing it to your gramophone record map of the Earth to see if it matches. How is it I can come up with all these tests, and you can't come up with anything?
You haven't presented any evidence for a flat earth. If I walk out my door, what is the first thing I can see that can only be true of a flat earth? You haven't been able to give a single thing. Meanwhile, there are numerous things that can only be true of a round earth.
The main problem is that we have people flying AROUND the globe and traveling in orbits AROUND the globe, which you really can't deny if you are honest and not suffering from a tremendous paranoid delusion. Do you use GPS navigation? From satellites. Impossible with land installations. Satellites are impossible with a flat earth (or at least they would be so contrived, they wouldn't work). How do you explain our close-up photos of other planets if our probes are not supposed to have gotten beyond the "firmament"? You must be walking around like a lunatic escaped from an asylum, seeing things that you find impossible to believe. I'm sorry for you. You have allowed yourself to be bamboozled by people who very probably are just leading you on, successful only because you are so ignorant of basic physics. You are literally in a spot where you cannot and will not accept evidence contrary to your cult belief.
Since all these people have been involved with long-range ballistic missiles and orbital flight, they most definitely do not believe in a "flat non-rotating earth." That is an approximation valid only where the distances reduce the flight path to a parabola and the time of flight is too short for earth rotation to be significant. Think being in your living room. Is the floor flat? Is the room rotating? (Actually, it is rotating, at about 0.0007 RPM, but try to notice it.) One of my favorite orbital mechanics texts is the one they use at the Air Force Academy.
If you have a case, it can be presented in a few sentences. It is not a subtle concept. You don't need 5 hours. I've seen these videos. All they amount to are recitations of the inability to understand certain phenomena---or to just have a fundamental misunderstanding. In all this, I think I am the only one who is offering information and explanation. If you want to prove the existing photographic evidence is bunk, offer your own photographic evidence. Ah, but you don't have any. And all you can do is complain about limitations. Funny that we understood the spherical earth from the 3rd century B.C. without any fancy science, and now that we are in the 21st century, you can't do anything but make videos about misunderstandings. Why not point out phenomena that can ONLY be explained by a flat earth? You can't. On that point, you are impotent.
Since when did the Bible believe in a flat, non-rotating earth? I've read it 3 or 4 times, paying attention each time. It only speaks of the territory of Israel (and Babylon). The Book of Job refers to the earth being hung in space from the northern wastes. Sure sounds like a dangling ball capable of rotating about the poles. In any case, that is what it is, as God has give us eyes to see and a mind to understand. If we are faithful to God, we believe what He gives us to see. Even Jesus commanded Thomas to see for himself.
At a height of, say, a thousand kilometers, it should be possible to see the whole earth as a round object (though maybe only a small fraction of the whole; greater altitude allows a greater picture). We see aircraft passing over the horizon from ground level, every day. It is hard to tell what you mean by "curvature of the earth." I have never spoken of it in connection with the lateral view of the horizon (though that does become more visibly curved with higher altitude). But it does arise from objects that pass over the horizon and are lost from view. In any case, we have flown around the earth and orbited around it, facts which you cannot disprove, so you need to get used to them.
Operation Fish Bowl - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkujMTSFr9o
NASA - https://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88072main_H-1259.pdf Page 12, many many more examples... But remember, we must take into account the Coriolis effect, haha, especially with the earth rotating at 1037mph, and orbiting the sun at 66,600 mph. 666! Many many many more government documents on "flat non-rotating earth".
What photographic evidence do you have that the earth is round? NASA CGI? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiYACfj94cc weather balloon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVupWWeroYc nuke hotspot vs sun hot spot
Gravity in space: https://t.me/covidemotions/2468 https://t.me/covidemotions/2599
Birds on mars: https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/00688/opgs/edr/ncam/NRB_458574869EDR_F0390444NCAM00295M_.JPG zoom in on the dot...
Bible verses: https://biblicalcosmologybook.blogspot.com/p/1500-flat-earth-verses.html
Amature Rocket into space: https://t.me/Nasa_Hoax/155 This link provides commentary https://t.me/Nasa_Hoax/10836
When something falls out of the horizon, just pick up a camera and zoom in, comes right back into view.
Develope a case in a few sentences versus a lifetime of brainwashing? Good luck with that.
This guy has a serious case of cognitive dissonance. I just argued with him for a week and he gave up when I told him to look up the definition of horizon and tell me where it mentions anything about earth curve. He thinks the moon missions were real lmao.
It is a shill, and a terrible one also.
Yes. That's the way it is with all exposures of reality. It doesn't take much. And you can't do it. Give me the photograph taken from the Empire State Building of the Eiffel Tower. Show me the photograph of the coast of Africa taken from the coast of Florida. Show me the photograph of Mt. Rainier taken from Hawaii. All it takes is a good telescope and a camera, if you are right---but you don't have any such proofs. They would be pathetically easy to accomplish, but you just don't have them, do you? You ought to think about that.
I also thought of something we haven't discussed: seismic determination of the structure of the Earth. We have a crust, beneath which is a mantle, under which is a core, divided into liquid and solid portions. We derive this picture from sound waves that travel throughout the inner earth to all regions of the world, so the data is compared and integrated. No flat earth results from all this.
We also haven't talked about the fact that it is impossible to accurately present large areas of the Earth on flat maps, because of the distortions resulting from flattening the spherical trigonometry into plane trigonometry. All the map projection systems are approximations, some better than others (the best being polyhedral projections). Why would this be the case, if the geometry is flat to begin with?
Atmosphere/air quality affects your viewing distance… need to think harder.
It’s alright to ignore all evidence presented to you. Cheers, blue pill wins.
Not going any more time with a shill.
Since I am not a "shill" (whatever that is supposed to mean), you are free as a bird. Air quality also affects refraction over the horizon, which can happen (and does, dramatically for radar). Or are you unaware? Your arguments about air quality are pathetically convenient and self-serving. You have no attempted photos? How about from higher altitude? A photo from a plane over Europe showing the tip of South Africa? Flying from Buenos Aires to Durban and logging the distance---then comparing it to your gramophone record map of the Earth to see if it matches. How is it I can come up with all these tests, and you can't come up with anything?
You haven't presented any evidence for a flat earth. If I walk out my door, what is the first thing I can see that can only be true of a flat earth? You haven't been able to give a single thing. Meanwhile, there are numerous things that can only be true of a round earth.
The main problem is that we have people flying AROUND the globe and traveling in orbits AROUND the globe, which you really can't deny if you are honest and not suffering from a tremendous paranoid delusion. Do you use GPS navigation? From satellites. Impossible with land installations. Satellites are impossible with a flat earth (or at least they would be so contrived, they wouldn't work). How do you explain our close-up photos of other planets if our probes are not supposed to have gotten beyond the "firmament"? You must be walking around like a lunatic escaped from an asylum, seeing things that you find impossible to believe. I'm sorry for you. You have allowed yourself to be bamboozled by people who very probably are just leading you on, successful only because you are so ignorant of basic physics. You are literally in a spot where you cannot and will not accept evidence contrary to your cult belief.