You are and will be a failed prophet, and owner of a closed mind that has room for only your cult beliefs. The rest of us fly around the world in airplanes, and some of us in orbit. We have space probes and telescopes out there, far from Earth and passing other planets. Reality is far, far wider and deeper than you want to imagine.
Have you ever questioned the astronomy science? I used to teach it and research it. That's how indoctrinated I was. When I started questioning it, the house of cards COLLAPSED.
And unlearning it has been beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. You can't unsee our realm after you awaken to its reality and where we actually are.
I have 3 degrees in aeronautics and astronautics. Orbital mechanics was a big part of it. I worked for a company that made launch vehicles, orbital transfer vehicles, space stations, etc. All as real as hardware can be, complete with passengers.
If there is something to question, spit it out. All I hear from you flatheads are "questions." You don't understand what you are questioning, and you ignore the copious truth of the world as it is.
Thank you for your reply. I don't doubt that the hardware has been created and you worked on it.
I used telescopes to track the objects moving across the sky and make observations. I appreciated the craft and dedication. Once I questioning the science with the facts that I knew by heart, many things didn't actually add up. I took tremendous pride in explaining the physics and astronomy before.
A few things that started the new research were:
Low-level crepuscular rays would be impossible with a sun 93 million miles away. How can these be created without a local sun versus one that is 8 light minutes away?
For solar eclipses, which is moving faster to cause the sun - moon - Earth eclipse at that specific point in time?
For some lunar eclipses, how come there are eclipses that show the shadow of the moon on the wrong half than we're expecting to see based on the diagrams?
With planes flying from West to East, wouldn't they need to fly at 1500+ mph to get to their destination? And flights from East to West should be tremendously quicker. I'll assume that they are keeping the same velocity that they were launched off the globe.
Watching birds fly effortlessly in many random directions makes me question the Earth's rotation calculations or even if we're moving at all. I'm aware of the Foucault Pendulum, the Coriolis Effect, and open to more proofs.
And if we're rotating, has anyone ever felt the motion of our Earth? If we're in an elliptical orbit with eccentricity of at least 0.0001, wouldn't we feel it when it accelerates? And the acceleration would point to the center of our elliptical orbit. So, depending on our location, we would feel that acceleration to the sun and away from Earth. The people on the dark side would feel slight acceleration to the Earth while those on the sunny side should feel it slightly towards the sun.
That's all the questions that I can think of for now. Many more that I'd like to ask as well. Thank you for your time and anyone else's time. It's the most beautiful red pill ever.
I'll try to take these in order. No problem with crepuscular rays; that is just the effect of distance-perspective on parallel lines. Like viewing a railroad line that extends to a far distance. The rails appear to converge, but they are really parallel. It is the same effect as an apparent "radiant" being a source point for a meteor shower, when in fact the meteors are on essentially parallel paths. The radiant just identifies the angular direction the meteors are coming from (just like the position of the sun identifies the angular direction its rays are coming from).
As for lunar (or solar) eclipses, it is not a question so much of which is moving faster, as of the fact that the Moon orbits the Earth about every 30 days. It's orbital inclination is not quite matched to the Earth's inclination, so most times when it is between the Sun and Earth (solar eclipse) or the Earth is between the Sun and Moon (lunar eclipse) the alignment is not exact and no eclipse occurs. When the alignment occurs, we have an eclipse. The solar eclipses have a shadow that follows a trail on the Earth's surface, and sometimes it is inconvenient to attend it. The lunar eclipses are generally visible to the night side of Earth.
I don't know what you mean by the lunar eclipse shadow being on "the wrong half." We see only the visible half of the Moon in the first place (it always faces the Earth because its rotation has the same period as its orbit, by being tidally locked).
Airplanes fly in the atmosphere, which is a viscous medium. It is carried along with the Earth's surface by friction, similar to bodies of open water. An airplane can be said to "swim" through the air by using fluid dynamics (propulsion and lift). To travel, it only needs to attain a velocity in the air that gives it the required velocity on the ground. If there are headwinds, the ground velocity will be less than the air velocity, and the flight will take longer. If there are tailwinds, the ground velocity will be greater than the air velocity and the flight will be shorter. (If you are shooting ballistic missiles, however, you will have to take the Earth's rotation into account if you are shooting east or west. Since the Earth rotates to the east, shooting in that direction will require less velocity for a given distance, versus shooting west, which will require more velocity to make up for the motion of its launch location.)
The flight of birds is not affected by the Earth's rotation, as they are carried along by the viscosity of the air. Breezes have more influence over their motion. (It also seems to be true that birds navigate by an ability to sense Earth's magnetic field, which guide them for long migrations.)
It is basically impossible to feel the acceleration of the Earth's rotation; it is too small compared to other normal forces in our life. But it does affect the shape of the Earth, providing the oblate ellipsoid shape from the effects of the centrifugal "force." There are various slight accelerations that we must account for in calculating satellite orbits, but all far too small for human senses to be aware of them. Go ahead and calculate them. You will probably find that the accelerations are equivalent to being out of vertical by some small degree, which we would not notice.
We would never "feel" the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit, as we are orbiting with the Earth according to the same trajectory. The nature of being in an orbit is that you don't feel any acceleration (the "zero gravity" condition).
It is probably true that there would be a tidal difference in the Sun's gravity between people at noon and people at midnight. But what would this difference be? The radius of the Earth is about 6378 km. The radius of Earth's orbit is about 150 million km. The difference in solar gravity would therefore be about 0.017% If you figure this is going to be less than Earth gravity (because Earth gravity clearly holds us on the Earth) this would be a force difference of no more than 34 thousandths of a pound for a 200-pound person. We make up for imbalances far greater than that. We wouldn't notice it, (In most of these questions, the answers emerge from working out the numbers.)
I hope these help. Glad to tackle any other questions.
I'll assume you're being serious and actually try to give you an answer. I'm not qualified to address most of these questions, but the one about a plane having to fly 1500mph to fly west to east really concerns me regarding your grasp of physics. Frame of reference is a really important concept to understand before you can reliably make observations about the world around you.
The earth's atmosphere, while loose and able to move around through winds and weather patterns, is still a part of earth, and is subject to the earth's rotation just like the water in a spinning glass on a turntable. Spin it for long enough and the water inside will maintain the same rotation as the glass.
Ignoring local wind currents, there is little difference between flying east or west, although the days will pass slightly faster as you fly east and slightly slower when flying west. The atmosphere (which planes need in order to fly) spins with the earth, everything on earth spins with the earth, and thus, the earth is our frame of reference. Unless you are approaching earth from space, outside the influence of our atmosphere, the ground beneath your feet will always be your frame of reference.
If this still isn't making sense, compare getting into a plane with climbing onto a motor boat. Both air and water are subject to earth's rotation, and the vehicles create thrust by pushing air/water backwards in order to go forwards.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if I can so easily pick apart one of your arguments I do understand, why should I assume your other arguments would hold up to similar scrutiny?
Ever used a slide rule? I have. And if you've never done complex, high-accuracy gasdynamics calculations, you have no idea what a godsend digital calculators are (not to mention computers). You still need to understand the math in order to frame the equations. Anyone can turn off their critical thinking, but those who do so are fools.
I can bet you they would only know the angle in their heads if they had previously precalculated a rule of thumb. I have many criticisms of NASA, but you would be way out of line to think they don't know their level of mathematics. (This pertains to space engineering. Regarding "climate science" NASA seems to be corrupting the historical data, thus violating the supreme principle of science: "Thou shalt bear no false witness.")
You are and will be a failed prophet, and owner of a closed mind that has room for only your cult beliefs. The rest of us fly around the world in airplanes, and some of us in orbit. We have space probes and telescopes out there, far from Earth and passing other planets. Reality is far, far wider and deeper than you want to imagine.
Have you ever questioned the astronomy science? I used to teach it and research it. That's how indoctrinated I was. When I started questioning it, the house of cards COLLAPSED.
And unlearning it has been beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. You can't unsee our realm after you awaken to its reality and where we actually are.
I have 3 degrees in aeronautics and astronautics. Orbital mechanics was a big part of it. I worked for a company that made launch vehicles, orbital transfer vehicles, space stations, etc. All as real as hardware can be, complete with passengers.
If there is something to question, spit it out. All I hear from you flatheads are "questions." You don't understand what you are questioning, and you ignore the copious truth of the world as it is.
Thank you for your reply. I don't doubt that the hardware has been created and you worked on it.
I used telescopes to track the objects moving across the sky and make observations. I appreciated the craft and dedication. Once I questioning the science with the facts that I knew by heart, many things didn't actually add up. I took tremendous pride in explaining the physics and astronomy before.
A few things that started the new research were:
Low-level crepuscular rays would be impossible with a sun 93 million miles away. How can these be created without a local sun versus one that is 8 light minutes away?
For solar eclipses, which is moving faster to cause the sun - moon - Earth eclipse at that specific point in time?
For some lunar eclipses, how come there are eclipses that show the shadow of the moon on the wrong half than we're expecting to see based on the diagrams?
With planes flying from West to East, wouldn't they need to fly at 1500+ mph to get to their destination? And flights from East to West should be tremendously quicker. I'll assume that they are keeping the same velocity that they were launched off the globe.
Watching birds fly effortlessly in many random directions makes me question the Earth's rotation calculations or even if we're moving at all. I'm aware of the Foucault Pendulum, the Coriolis Effect, and open to more proofs.
And if we're rotating, has anyone ever felt the motion of our Earth? If we're in an elliptical orbit with eccentricity of at least 0.0001, wouldn't we feel it when it accelerates? And the acceleration would point to the center of our elliptical orbit. So, depending on our location, we would feel that acceleration to the sun and away from Earth. The people on the dark side would feel slight acceleration to the Earth while those on the sunny side should feel it slightly towards the sun.
That's all the questions that I can think of for now. Many more that I'd like to ask as well. Thank you for your time and anyone else's time. It's the most beautiful red pill ever.
I'll try to take these in order. No problem with crepuscular rays; that is just the effect of distance-perspective on parallel lines. Like viewing a railroad line that extends to a far distance. The rails appear to converge, but they are really parallel. It is the same effect as an apparent "radiant" being a source point for a meteor shower, when in fact the meteors are on essentially parallel paths. The radiant just identifies the angular direction the meteors are coming from (just like the position of the sun identifies the angular direction its rays are coming from).
As for lunar (or solar) eclipses, it is not a question so much of which is moving faster, as of the fact that the Moon orbits the Earth about every 30 days. It's orbital inclination is not quite matched to the Earth's inclination, so most times when it is between the Sun and Earth (solar eclipse) or the Earth is between the Sun and Moon (lunar eclipse) the alignment is not exact and no eclipse occurs. When the alignment occurs, we have an eclipse. The solar eclipses have a shadow that follows a trail on the Earth's surface, and sometimes it is inconvenient to attend it. The lunar eclipses are generally visible to the night side of Earth.
I don't know what you mean by the lunar eclipse shadow being on "the wrong half." We see only the visible half of the Moon in the first place (it always faces the Earth because its rotation has the same period as its orbit, by being tidally locked).
Airplanes fly in the atmosphere, which is a viscous medium. It is carried along with the Earth's surface by friction, similar to bodies of open water. An airplane can be said to "swim" through the air by using fluid dynamics (propulsion and lift). To travel, it only needs to attain a velocity in the air that gives it the required velocity on the ground. If there are headwinds, the ground velocity will be less than the air velocity, and the flight will take longer. If there are tailwinds, the ground velocity will be greater than the air velocity and the flight will be shorter. (If you are shooting ballistic missiles, however, you will have to take the Earth's rotation into account if you are shooting east or west. Since the Earth rotates to the east, shooting in that direction will require less velocity for a given distance, versus shooting west, which will require more velocity to make up for the motion of its launch location.)
The flight of birds is not affected by the Earth's rotation, as they are carried along by the viscosity of the air. Breezes have more influence over their motion. (It also seems to be true that birds navigate by an ability to sense Earth's magnetic field, which guide them for long migrations.)
It is basically impossible to feel the acceleration of the Earth's rotation; it is too small compared to other normal forces in our life. But it does affect the shape of the Earth, providing the oblate ellipsoid shape from the effects of the centrifugal "force." There are various slight accelerations that we must account for in calculating satellite orbits, but all far too small for human senses to be aware of them. Go ahead and calculate them. You will probably find that the accelerations are equivalent to being out of vertical by some small degree, which we would not notice.
We would never "feel" the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit, as we are orbiting with the Earth according to the same trajectory. The nature of being in an orbit is that you don't feel any acceleration (the "zero gravity" condition).
It is probably true that there would be a tidal difference in the Sun's gravity between people at noon and people at midnight. But what would this difference be? The radius of the Earth is about 6378 km. The radius of Earth's orbit is about 150 million km. The difference in solar gravity would therefore be about 0.017% If you figure this is going to be less than Earth gravity (because Earth gravity clearly holds us on the Earth) this would be a force difference of no more than 34 thousandths of a pound for a 200-pound person. We make up for imbalances far greater than that. We wouldn't notice it, (In most of these questions, the answers emerge from working out the numbers.)
I hope these help. Glad to tackle any other questions.
I'll assume you're being serious and actually try to give you an answer. I'm not qualified to address most of these questions, but the one about a plane having to fly 1500mph to fly west to east really concerns me regarding your grasp of physics. Frame of reference is a really important concept to understand before you can reliably make observations about the world around you.
The earth's atmosphere, while loose and able to move around through winds and weather patterns, is still a part of earth, and is subject to the earth's rotation just like the water in a spinning glass on a turntable. Spin it for long enough and the water inside will maintain the same rotation as the glass.
Ignoring local wind currents, there is little difference between flying east or west, although the days will pass slightly faster as you fly east and slightly slower when flying west. The atmosphere (which planes need in order to fly) spins with the earth, everything on earth spins with the earth, and thus, the earth is our frame of reference. Unless you are approaching earth from space, outside the influence of our atmosphere, the ground beneath your feet will always be your frame of reference.
If this still isn't making sense, compare getting into a plane with climbing onto a motor boat. Both air and water are subject to earth's rotation, and the vehicles create thrust by pushing air/water backwards in order to go forwards.
I'm not trying to be rude, but if I can so easily pick apart one of your arguments I do understand, why should I assume your other arguments would hold up to similar scrutiny?
We lost our way when people started using digital calculators instead of slide rules...
The intimate relationships to math were replaced with lazy "the computer says so"...
Old NASA people could calculate the reentry angle in their heads... now people can't make change for an overcooked thing they claim is a hamburger.
Ever used a slide rule? I have. And if you've never done complex, high-accuracy gasdynamics calculations, you have no idea what a godsend digital calculators are (not to mention computers). You still need to understand the math in order to frame the equations. Anyone can turn off their critical thinking, but those who do so are fools.
I can bet you they would only know the angle in their heads if they had previously precalculated a rule of thumb. I have many criticisms of NASA, but you would be way out of line to think they don't know their level of mathematics. (This pertains to space engineering. Regarding "climate science" NASA seems to be corrupting the historical data, thus violating the supreme principle of science: "Thou shalt bear no false witness.")
Happy to listen to your explanation of how latitude and longitude are derived. Those values still work exactly as you'd expecf on a Flat Earth map.
If you don't believe me, check it out on the WHO and UN logo.... yep, same latitude and longitude values.
Which is....