I'm on the road and I can't elaborate as much as I want but your posts are really good.
Most anti abortion folks are pretty hypocritical because they'll happily support couples doing IVF...where anywhere from one to a two dozen embryos get killed just to have one "miracle" pregnancy instead of just adopting
I dont agree that embryos are being killed in ivf for all couples. It is still natural selection taking place. Most of the embryos die on their own in the support material before day 3 as they would in the womb due to abnormalities of the cells or they don't keep splitting. A few more will stop growing on there own before day 5 for the same reasons.
At day 5 a choice: good embryos can be put back in the womb, frozen to be used later or discarded (that would be a mom who doesn't care) I doubt anti abortion are discarding when my next example is a viable option. These things can be discussed with the fertility doctor. Most women going through that are doing it for want of children and aren't going to be willy nilly destroying precious potential babies.
I had my embryos that didn't look so viable (already deteriorating) be used and put into my womb where God and nature could take its course if it wanted.
I am 42. 6 rounds of ivf and I only ever had 1 embryo live each time to day 5. 2 miscarriages and 4 didn't even implant - that is up to god.
Anyway just an opinion from someone in those trenches who is prolife. My 7th round worked well finally and I froze 5. The first didn't implant, 2nd was my first born child this year. I will keep trying with all three of the frozen ones. I would never destroy them even if I'm trying till I'm 50.
Now if you are talking about women who discard frozen saved embryos you are right and I don't know how many do that let alone women who are anti abortion like me - I wouldn't do it. Maybe they can't foot the yearly bill of 1000 dollars for freezing storage so then maybe you are right. Others will use all their frozen embryos - hoping God wills it into a baby.
Ivf life - nobody going into an ivf clinic or working for one wants to see those lives destroyed. I don't doubt that there are some evil ones out there as in anything but it hasn't been my experience. That cli ic was with me for 10 years even though I lowered their success rates. They clearly scared about me throughout my pregnancy. They were more supportive of the life In me then women and infants in Providence that hounded me to get pregnancy vaxxed.
Also - who kills their embryos they spent 15000 to 50000 for even if prochoice.
Lastly many vote prochoice who haven't really looked into the science behind life (ivf clinics understand this science better than most)
Many of these women think they are prochoice but wouldn't actually use it themselves - again women doing ivf want that baby.
I'm on the road and I can't elaborate as much as I want but your posts are really good.
Most anti abortion folks are pretty hypocritical because they'll happily support couples doing IVF...where anywhere from one to a two dozen embryos get killed just to have one "miracle" pregnancy instead of just adopting
I dont agree that embryos are being killed in ivf for all couples. It is still natural selection taking place. Most of the embryos die on their own in the support material before day 3 as they would in the womb due to abnormalities of the cells or they don't keep splitting. A few more will stop growing on there own before day 5 for the same reasons.
At day 5 a choice: good embryos can be put back in the womb, frozen to be used later or discarded (that would be a mom who doesn't care) I doubt anti abortion are discarding when my next example is a viable option. These things can be discussed with the fertility doctor. Most women going through that are doing it for want of children and aren't going to be willy nilly destroying precious potential babies.
I had my embryos that didn't look so viable (already deteriorating) be used and put into my womb where God and nature could take its course if it wanted.
I am 42. 6 rounds of ivf and I only ever had 1 embryo live each time to day 5. 2 miscarriages and 4 didn't even implant - that is up to god.
Anyway just an opinion from someone in those trenches who is prolife. My 7th round worked well finally and I froze 5. The first didn't implant, 2nd was my first born child this year. I will keep trying with all three of the frozen ones. I would never destroy them even if I'm trying till I'm 50.
Now if you are talking about women who discard frozen saved embryos you are right and I don't know how many do that let alone women who are anti abortion like me - I wouldn't do it. Maybe they can't foot the yearly bill of 1000 dollars for freezing storage so then maybe you are right. Others will use all their frozen embryos - hoping God wills it into a baby.
Ivf life - nobody going into an ivf clinic or working for one wants to see those lives destroyed. I don't doubt that there are some evil ones out there as in anything but it hasn't been my experience. That cli ic was with me for 10 years even though I lowered their success rates. They clearly scared about me throughout my pregnancy. They were more supportive of the life In me then women and infants in Providence that hounded me to get pregnancy vaxxed.
Also - who kills their embryos they spent 15000 to 50000 for even if prochoice.
Lastly many vote prochoice who haven't really looked into the science behind life (ivf clinics understand this science better than most)
Many of these women think they are prochoice but wouldn't actually use it themselves - again women doing ivf want that baby.