Rapture occurs before the Mark of the Beast is forced upon people. Only Christians who had never been exposed to the true Word of God before Rapture will be saved post-rapture, and only those Christians will be subjected to The Mark of the Beast.
Sorry brother, that is not entirely Biblical, but I do not want to argue about that here. Those Christians who have washed their robes white = martyrs. Most Christians will very much be here.
There will be no rapture. We are entering the Tribulation now, as the final days of the pre-Tribulation period wind down. The Great Awakening is soon upon us--a period in which all time will stand still, and each person will come before God and see their life in review. We will be warned not to take the Mark. Then each person will be put back in their bodies and life will resume. The Evil Ones will use science to claim this was a mass illusion. It is not. You were informed of this in advance. So when it happens you will know it is true.
We are entering the Tribulation now, as the final days of the pre-Tribulation period wind down.
What do you base this off of if you're not following what The Bible has given to us as the indicator?
The Great Awakening is soon upon us
This isn't biblical whatsoever
a period in which all time will stand still
Show me some verses that support this.
and each person will come before God and see their life in review.
You're talking about The White Throne Judgement and The Judgement Seat of Christ. These are two separate instances, which are quite different. Regardless, one is for believers and one is for nonbelievers. The Judgement Seat of Christ occurs during Tribulation for believers who have been raptured where Christ delivers us from our sin and we are blameless during the "trial", and The White Throne Judgement occurs at the end of the Millennia for nonbelievers. They are shown all of the sin in their life and shown exactly why they are going to the Lake of Fire.
We already have been, it's called The Bible. Where do you think a different warning would even come from? The Bible is VERY clear about false prophets - the only thing I could think of is that you're referring to either the 144,000 or The Two Witnesses, but again that's DURING the tribulation and post rapture. The Mark will be easily identifiable based upon the information given to us - the warning is already in The Bible. Revelations is very clear on this.
Then each person will be put back in their bodies and life will resume.
This is post Tribulation and it's much more complicated than that. You're referring to the period of the millennia and massively misunderstanding it.
The Evil Ones will use science to claim this was a mass illusion. It is not. You were informed of this in advance. So when it happens you will know it is true.
"The Evil Ones" Do you mean the fucking Devil? Or are you using this goofy term to refer to The Devil's attempt at the Trinity?
There is a massive deception that is put over people in The Tribulation so that many will not recognize things that are occurring right in front of their eyes, yes, but that's not speaking of the millennia.
I can prove in one statement by Christ that rapture is a fact!
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Now … he said IF I GO…did he go?? ? Yes! … receive you into myself…..means have you go to him …that <>where I am ….WHERE IS HE???… in his Fathers House…there<>ye maybe also!
One statement!!! Proof!!! Let ever man be a liar snd Hid be true!
Correct, but it does not prove anything about the Rapture. Jesus is saying to his disciples that he will go (meaning he will die on the cross and return to Heaven where he will prepare many rooms for his faithful followers. The reference is to the intended generosity of heaven which has room for all. But that was a nice try!! A for effort!
Happy New Year!
If the vax is not the mark of the beast and starts a mass die off, would that not count as the rapture? Everyone who took the vax would have effectively been murdered at that point… Get into heaven free card almost?
Fuck I really pray this isn’t revelations playing out. If it is, that means humanity has become pretty fucking depraved and deserves what’s coming. I always believed revelations was supposed to be a warning, a statement of response if we don’t live good lives.
This summarizes it pretty well. The Rapture is the event in which alive Christians are removed from Earth and brought to Heaven, without having to experience a physical death in the way that others do. It occurs prior to the 7 year tribulation, and is not to be confused with the 2nd coming of Christ.
Everyone who took the vax would have effectively been murdered at that point… Get into heaven free card almost?
Get into heaven free? What are you on about?
The price to get into Heaven has already been paid for - it was the blood of Christ which was shed for our sake. Our works could never amount to anything worthy of Heaven in God's eyes, as we are sin filled creatures. God sent his son, Jesus, to die in our place. Following Christ, admitting that we are sinners, and recognizing Christ as the Son of God is the only way to heaven. No man has ever, "worked" their way into Heaven before - it is not possible. Jesus says our works are like filthy rags before God - it is only through Christ that salvation is possible for us sinners.
Regardless, those who take the Mark of the Beast don't get into Heaven - so I'm not sure how that could be interpreted as a free way into Heaven under any circumstances.
Fuck I really pray this isn’t revelations playing out.
Why? It's God's plan. At the end of the Millennia, Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire, and sin is abolished.
If it is, that means humanity has become pretty fucking depraved and deserves what’s coming.
Of course we do - we are ALL sinners. All sin is equal in punishment, and that punishment is death. Only through Christ are we redeemed.
I always believed revelations was supposed to be a warning, a statement of response if we don’t live good lives.
The Bible is very clear, Revelations is a prophecy of things to come. It is in no means a warning - there are plenty of those throughout The Bible already. Revelations deals with specific things to come, and I believe it would be in your favor to study the book of Revelations. I mean this as no insult - you seem quite ignorant of Revelations and its purpose. You should study up on it.
I'm not exactly religious so this is my genuine thought here. So a gay dude who had sex with another gay dude one time but then decided to abandon that path and turn to Christ is the same as a gay dude who systematically raped dozens of children before deciding to do the same as the first? Both these guys get to go to heaven? Heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists? Or am I missing a piece of this puzzle?
So a gay dude who had sex with another gay dude one time but then decided to abandon that path and turn to Christ is the same as a gay dude who systematically raped dozens of children before deciding to do the same as the first? Both these guys get to go to heaven? Heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists? Or am I missing a piece of this puzzle?
That's quite a few logical fallacies right there. Simply because a child rapist CAN make it to heaven does not mean that heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists. But, moving on from that and addressing what should be your main concern:
How God perceives sin and how you and I perceives it are different. All sin has an equal punishment of death, and we are all sinners who sin daily. At a high level overview, SPECIFIC thoughts with intent can be sin, and failing to do certain actions can be sin. To summarize it for 40k feet, sin is from, "the heart" and not necessarily an action as violent as raping a child.
Your sin is no greater than my sin, nor a degenerate child rapist's sin any greater than mine in the eyes of The Lord. That being said, certain actions such as general degeneracy are viewed as an, "abomination before The Lord" and is said as such frequently in The Bible. The Bible rarely uses that term, but does so repeatedly in regards to degeneracy such as faggotry.
So I'm not saying that YOU are no different than a child rapist or anything of that nature. I am however saying that the penalty for sin is death, no matter the sin itself.
The difference is that Christ died for us, to save us from our sin. He lived a perfect life and paid the price of our sins by dying FOR us. Sinners cannot enter Heaven, and Christ's death (and our salvation through him) makes us whole. At a believer's judgement day before God, Christ is effectively our, "admit one" ticket into Heaven, if you want to simplify it as such. He lived a perfect life because we cannot.
Isaiah 64:6 : For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.
If we were to be admitted into Heaven based on OUR works and deeds, no one could enter. A single sin has the penalty of death, and we ALL sin daily - it is inevitable. We STRIVE to reduce the sins we commit, but we are imperfect humans and will continue sinning until death. That's just the reality of things.
Only one man was perfect, and we crucified him. That says enough about humanity.
When one becomes, "saved", and accepts salvation, one is putting their trust into Christ. You are believing that he was the perfect Son of God, you confess that you are a sinner, confess and repent from your sins, and you put your faith in Christ. You strive to be more like Christ whenever possible, sinning less and fulfilling the duties that God wants out of your life. You try to, "move" closer to Christ daily. You do these things genuinely from your "heart" and repent from sin.
It's not that anyone STOPS sinning, but you trust and lean on Christ to try to move away from your sin as much as you humanly can. Sinners do still end up in Heaven - this is the point of Christ. You don't send a doctor to help sick people just as you don't send a Christ to provide salvation to those who are not already lost.
There are penalties for our sin and actions in Heaven - we are rewarded for good deeds and behavior, and we are stripped of rewards and blessings for sin. The purpose of writing all of this is by NO means to say, "SIN AWAY! YOU'RE FORGIVEN ANYWAYS!" An attitude such as that would likely indicate that someone was not genuine in their faith to begin with, and was never truly saved. Someone who genuinely believes and wants to follow Christ should show a change of heart and attempts to rebuke and repent from sin. One shouldn't have contentness with sin.
So, if a child rapist is true and genuine about repentance, just as the rest of us are from our own sins, then yes, they can get to Heaven. There's nothing too great for Jesus's blood to wash away. He paid the price for us, all we have to do is accept it.
Every person who calls upon the lord for forgiveness with a truly open heart will be forgiven. These things will not continue if your heart is true. You will have the Holy Spirit with you which provides you with the strength to reject sin. You will never be perfect but you will think prior and will not constantly live in Sin.
If the voice in your head continues to stop you and prevent sin, I believe you’re saved. I never understood this until the last year and half or so. I now can’t be around sin. It drives me nuts with my kids and people in general. I had a meeting with my team a few weeks back and I tell you the lords name was used in vein at least 3-4 times in less than 30 minutes. I can no longer watch TV and movies. I was a die hard sports fan and I haven’t watched one football game this year and maybe a couple NHL games.
It’s absolutely life changing when you truly accept the Lord and saviour as your Lord and saviour and go somewhere private, and just break yourself with telling him your deepest secrets and sins. We all have them....
There is no work you can do to be saved so you need to stop thinking like that. All will be saved who call upon the Lord because it’s his
Work on the cross that saves you. When this happens the changes come much easier.
Oh and I don’t think people are gay. They have perversions that they give into just like you and I would have for example thoughts of having a shampoo bottle stuck up your butt or a 3 some with your wife and her sister. We don’t act on them but a so called Gay man acts out his perversions and gives into temptation.
Rapture occurs before the Mark of the Beast is forced upon people. Only Christians who had never been exposed to the true Word of God before Rapture will be saved post-rapture, and only those Christians will be subjected to The Mark of the Beast.
Sorry brother, that is not entirely Biblical, but I do not want to argue about that here. Those Christians who have washed their robes white = martyrs. Most Christians will very much be here.
Why do you think a forum for discussion can only be used for arguing?
Rapture occurs before the 7 year tribulation. The Mark of the Beast is forced upon people during the 7 year tribulation. It's pretty straightforward.
There will be no rapture. We are entering the Tribulation now, as the final days of the pre-Tribulation period wind down. The Great Awakening is soon upon us--a period in which all time will stand still, and each person will come before God and see their life in review. We will be warned not to take the Mark. Then each person will be put back in their bodies and life will resume. The Evil Ones will use science to claim this was a mass illusion. It is not. You were informed of this in advance. So when it happens you will know it is true.
Blatantly going against The Bible. It's very clear on The Rapture.
What do you think these verses are referring to if not The Rapture? https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
It's highly explicit.
What do you base this off of if you're not following what The Bible has given to us as the indicator?
This isn't biblical whatsoever
Show me some verses that support this.
You're talking about The White Throne Judgement and The Judgement Seat of Christ. These are two separate instances, which are quite different. Regardless, one is for believers and one is for nonbelievers. The Judgement Seat of Christ occurs during Tribulation for believers who have been raptured where Christ delivers us from our sin and we are blameless during the "trial", and The White Throne Judgement occurs at the end of the Millennia for nonbelievers. They are shown all of the sin in their life and shown exactly why they are going to the Lake of Fire.
https://www.davidjeremiah.org/age-of-signs/side-by-side-comparison-great-white-throne-and-judgment-seat-of-christ
We already have been, it's called The Bible. Where do you think a different warning would even come from? The Bible is VERY clear about false prophets - the only thing I could think of is that you're referring to either the 144,000 or The Two Witnesses, but again that's DURING the tribulation and post rapture. The Mark will be easily identifiable based upon the information given to us - the warning is already in The Bible. Revelations is very clear on this.
This is post Tribulation and it's much more complicated than that. You're referring to the period of the millennia and massively misunderstanding it.
"The Evil Ones" Do you mean the fucking Devil? Or are you using this goofy term to refer to The Devil's attempt at the Trinity?
There is a massive deception that is put over people in The Tribulation so that many will not recognize things that are occurring right in front of their eyes, yes, but that's not speaking of the millennia.
I can prove in one statement by Christ that rapture is a fact!
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Now … he said IF I GO…did he go?? ? Yes! … receive you into myself…..means have you go to him …that <>where I am ….WHERE IS HE???… in his Fathers House…there<>ye maybe also!
One statement!!! Proof!!! Let ever man be a liar snd Hid be true!
Correct, but it does not prove anything about the Rapture. Jesus is saying to his disciples that he will go (meaning he will die on the cross and return to Heaven where he will prepare many rooms for his faithful followers. The reference is to the intended generosity of heaven which has room for all. But that was a nice try!! A for effort! Happy New Year!
If the vax is not the mark of the beast and starts a mass die off, would that not count as the rapture? Everyone who took the vax would have effectively been murdered at that point… Get into heaven free card almost?
Fuck I really pray this isn’t revelations playing out. If it is, that means humanity has become pretty fucking depraved and deserves what’s coming. I always believed revelations was supposed to be a warning, a statement of response if we don’t live good lives.
Absolutely not. It seems that you may not be familiar with the concept of the rapture.
https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
This summarizes it pretty well. The Rapture is the event in which alive Christians are removed from Earth and brought to Heaven, without having to experience a physical death in the way that others do. It occurs prior to the 7 year tribulation, and is not to be confused with the 2nd coming of Christ.
Get into heaven free? What are you on about?
The price to get into Heaven has already been paid for - it was the blood of Christ which was shed for our sake. Our works could never amount to anything worthy of Heaven in God's eyes, as we are sin filled creatures. God sent his son, Jesus, to die in our place. Following Christ, admitting that we are sinners, and recognizing Christ as the Son of God is the only way to heaven. No man has ever, "worked" their way into Heaven before - it is not possible. Jesus says our works are like filthy rags before God - it is only through Christ that salvation is possible for us sinners.
Regardless, those who take the Mark of the Beast don't get into Heaven - so I'm not sure how that could be interpreted as a free way into Heaven under any circumstances.
Why? It's God's plan. At the end of the Millennia, Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire, and sin is abolished.
Of course we do - we are ALL sinners. All sin is equal in punishment, and that punishment is death. Only through Christ are we redeemed.
The Bible is very clear, Revelations is a prophecy of things to come. It is in no means a warning - there are plenty of those throughout The Bible already. Revelations deals with specific things to come, and I believe it would be in your favor to study the book of Revelations. I mean this as no insult - you seem quite ignorant of Revelations and its purpose. You should study up on it.
I'm not exactly religious so this is my genuine thought here. So a gay dude who had sex with another gay dude one time but then decided to abandon that path and turn to Christ is the same as a gay dude who systematically raped dozens of children before deciding to do the same as the first? Both these guys get to go to heaven? Heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists? Or am I missing a piece of this puzzle?
That's quite a few logical fallacies right there. Simply because a child rapist CAN make it to heaven does not mean that heaven is filled with degenerate child rapists. But, moving on from that and addressing what should be your main concern:
How God perceives sin and how you and I perceives it are different. All sin has an equal punishment of death, and we are all sinners who sin daily. At a high level overview, SPECIFIC thoughts with intent can be sin, and failing to do certain actions can be sin. To summarize it for 40k feet, sin is from, "the heart" and not necessarily an action as violent as raping a child.
Your sin is no greater than my sin, nor a degenerate child rapist's sin any greater than mine in the eyes of The Lord. That being said, certain actions such as general degeneracy are viewed as an, "abomination before The Lord" and is said as such frequently in The Bible. The Bible rarely uses that term, but does so repeatedly in regards to degeneracy such as faggotry.
So I'm not saying that YOU are no different than a child rapist or anything of that nature. I am however saying that the penalty for sin is death, no matter the sin itself.
The difference is that Christ died for us, to save us from our sin. He lived a perfect life and paid the price of our sins by dying FOR us. Sinners cannot enter Heaven, and Christ's death (and our salvation through him) makes us whole. At a believer's judgement day before God, Christ is effectively our, "admit one" ticket into Heaven, if you want to simplify it as such. He lived a perfect life because we cannot.
Isaiah 64:6 : For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.
If we were to be admitted into Heaven based on OUR works and deeds, no one could enter. A single sin has the penalty of death, and we ALL sin daily - it is inevitable. We STRIVE to reduce the sins we commit, but we are imperfect humans and will continue sinning until death. That's just the reality of things.
Only one man was perfect, and we crucified him. That says enough about humanity.
When one becomes, "saved", and accepts salvation, one is putting their trust into Christ. You are believing that he was the perfect Son of God, you confess that you are a sinner, confess and repent from your sins, and you put your faith in Christ. You strive to be more like Christ whenever possible, sinning less and fulfilling the duties that God wants out of your life. You try to, "move" closer to Christ daily. You do these things genuinely from your "heart" and repent from sin.
It's not that anyone STOPS sinning, but you trust and lean on Christ to try to move away from your sin as much as you humanly can. Sinners do still end up in Heaven - this is the point of Christ. You don't send a doctor to help sick people just as you don't send a Christ to provide salvation to those who are not already lost.
There are penalties for our sin and actions in Heaven - we are rewarded for good deeds and behavior, and we are stripped of rewards and blessings for sin. The purpose of writing all of this is by NO means to say, "SIN AWAY! YOU'RE FORGIVEN ANYWAYS!" An attitude such as that would likely indicate that someone was not genuine in their faith to begin with, and was never truly saved. Someone who genuinely believes and wants to follow Christ should show a change of heart and attempts to rebuke and repent from sin. One shouldn't have contentness with sin.
So, if a child rapist is true and genuine about repentance, just as the rest of us are from our own sins, then yes, they can get to Heaven. There's nothing too great for Jesus's blood to wash away. He paid the price for us, all we have to do is accept it.
Every person who calls upon the lord for forgiveness with a truly open heart will be forgiven. These things will not continue if your heart is true. You will have the Holy Spirit with you which provides you with the strength to reject sin. You will never be perfect but you will think prior and will not constantly live in Sin. If the voice in your head continues to stop you and prevent sin, I believe you’re saved. I never understood this until the last year and half or so. I now can’t be around sin. It drives me nuts with my kids and people in general. I had a meeting with my team a few weeks back and I tell you the lords name was used in vein at least 3-4 times in less than 30 minutes. I can no longer watch TV and movies. I was a die hard sports fan and I haven’t watched one football game this year and maybe a couple NHL games. It’s absolutely life changing when you truly accept the Lord and saviour as your Lord and saviour and go somewhere private, and just break yourself with telling him your deepest secrets and sins. We all have them.... There is no work you can do to be saved so you need to stop thinking like that. All will be saved who call upon the Lord because it’s his Work on the cross that saves you. When this happens the changes come much easier. Oh and I don’t think people are gay. They have perversions that they give into just like you and I would have for example thoughts of having a shampoo bottle stuck up your butt or a 3 some with your wife and her sister. We don’t act on them but a so called Gay man acts out his perversions and gives into temptation.