We are entering the Tribulation now, as the final days of the pre-Tribulation period wind down.
What do you base this off of if you're not following what The Bible has given to us as the indicator?
The Great Awakening is soon upon us
This isn't biblical whatsoever
a period in which all time will stand still
Show me some verses that support this.
and each person will come before God and see their life in review.
You're talking about The White Throne Judgement and The Judgement Seat of Christ. These are two separate instances, which are quite different. Regardless, one is for believers and one is for nonbelievers. The Judgement Seat of Christ occurs during Tribulation for believers who have been raptured where Christ delivers us from our sin and we are blameless during the "trial", and The White Throne Judgement occurs at the end of the Millennia for nonbelievers. They are shown all of the sin in their life and shown exactly why they are going to the Lake of Fire.
We already have been, it's called The Bible. Where do you think a different warning would even come from? The Bible is VERY clear about false prophets - the only thing I could think of is that you're referring to either the 144,000 or The Two Witnesses, but again that's DURING the tribulation and post rapture. The Mark will be easily identifiable based upon the information given to us - the warning is already in The Bible. Revelations is very clear on this.
Then each person will be put back in their bodies and life will resume.
This is post Tribulation and it's much more complicated than that. You're referring to the period of the millennia and massively misunderstanding it.
The Evil Ones will use science to claim this was a mass illusion. It is not. You were informed of this in advance. So when it happens you will know it is true.
"The Evil Ones" Do you mean the fucking Devil? Or are you using this goofy term to refer to The Devil's attempt at the Trinity?
There is a massive deception that is put over people in The Tribulation so that many will not recognize things that are occurring right in front of their eyes, yes, but that's not speaking of the millennia.
Sorry brother, while I respect your beliefs, and the polite manner in which you present them, I suggest two basic alternatives.
The issue you have raised is a fairly technical one as would take a great deal of time to review, as necessary to understand our differences. (As I have a great deal of work, I do not have time to do so now). As a brief summary, I will only state that Jesus will meet us in the clouds. However, as the Bible clearly states, this will take place at His Second Coming, AFTER the Tribulation and Battle of Armageddon, not before. (The Bible does not split these into two separate events, an idea that gained popularity in the 1800's). The Church and the faithful will suffer through the Tribulation. The robes, as mentioned in the Book of Revelation, will be washed white, as indicating martyrdom. There will be many martyrs in this period, so rejoice brother than you may have the opportunity to give your life for God. As we are heading into that time now, the issue is not merely a theoretical one. You will see for yourself. Also, the anti-Christ who will have the intelligence of lucifer, will assuredly make use of the (mis)interpretation you cite to fool believers. So be careful.
The second issue is that posting here at the Great Awakening already takes up too much of my time!!! So I don't really have time to branch off into religious discussions. However, I respect your beliefs and believe that as 'future proves past' it will be made clear in the coming period.
Happy New Year!
The issue you have raised is a fairly technical one as would take a great deal of time to review, as necessary to understand our differences. (As I have a great deal of work, I do not have time to do so now).
There are Bible verses to back up every claim I have made here.
As a brief summary, I will only state that Jesus will meet us in the clouds. However, as the Bible clearly states, this will take place at His Second Coming, AFTER the Tribulation and Battle of Armageddon, not before.
You are conflating The Rapture with The Second Coming of Christ. They are two very distinct events. In one, Christ meets us in the clouds (The Rapture), and in the other, Christ returns to Earth (to take his place on the throne, where all bow and acknowledge him as Christ).
(The Bible does not split these into two separate events, an idea that gained popularity in the 1800's)
It absolutely does, see above. Furthermore I see no relevance as to when the idea gained popularity. The Bible itself did not change causing the confusion, only our limited perspective and interpretation did.
Christ is clearly seen as meeting us in the Clouds and returning to Heaven with no mention of his second coming, and in other verses he does truly return. They are two very distinct events, with very different timelines. MANY other events during Tribulation, including the very purpose of Tribulation, make no sense if the church is still present on Earth. It's literally one of the opening statements to Revelations as a whole, in Chapter 3 if I remember correctly.
The Church and the faithful will suffer through the Tribulation.
And what would the purpose of this be? And why do you contradict what The Bible VERY clearly outlines for us? It EXPLICITLY says that Tribulation is not for believers and that we are spared from it. It's VERY explicit, and outlined in the link above.
The robes, as mentioned in the Book of Revelation, will be washed white, as indicating martyrdom.
You need to clarify what you're trying to say here, your statement as written is ambiguous.
There will be many martyrs in this period, so rejoice brother than you may have the opportunity to give your life for God.
No one is disputing that there are martyrs during Tribulation, that's kind of one of the key points.
As we are heading into that time now, the issue is not merely a theoretical one. You will see for yourself.
Why would you consider any of this to be theoretical? It's in The Bible and clearly prophesized. I'm not sure what relevance this has or what your point here is.
Also, the anti-Christ who will have the intelligence of lucifer, will assuredly make use of the (mis)interpretation you cite to fool believers. So be careful.
Yes, as he IS Satan himself. It is his attempt to create his own Trinity in his attempt to be God.
The second issue is that posting here at the Great Awakening already takes up too much of my time!!! So I don't really have time to branch off into religious discussions.
I think you may have your priorities backwards, then. You are basically admitting that you have an idol in your life. You may want to reflect on that.
However, I respect your beliefs and believe that as 'future proves past' it will be made clear in the coming period. Happy New Year!
I believe it IS clear. The Bible is clearly outlined and the link I sent above clearly addresses your points. There are two distinct events - The Rapture and The Second Coming. There's plenty of commentary that analyzes this and studies that go through the Book of Revelations. Man's word does not matter, only what The Bible says is Truth.
Sorry brother, I can see that this is a topic that is of great interest to you. As I noted, I simply do not have the time to discuss it at length. I believe your interpretation--one that only became popular in the 1800's--is faulty. At the same time, as we are living these very times, we will see with our own eyes, and what will happen will be. Thus, there is not a great incentive to discuss at length.
As the Bible notes, there will be many martyrs during this period. Martyrs of course refers to Christians. However, when Christ returns after the Tribulation we will in fact see him coming 'in the clouds', not before. The very notion that Christians--as a result of reciting a few words in Scripture--will get to miss out on the entire Tribulation period is really silly and certainly not Biblical. Jews, like Christians have always suffered more, not less than other groups. The Tribulation period will be no exception to that rule. Millions will be martyred for their faith.
There is a partial truth to what you believe in that God will make provision for believers in places called refuges. You can read about these at www.johnleary.com and many other places. God has called many individuals to build shelters so that at the appointed time, those who have the seal on their forehead will be called to the nearest refuge. Refuges will be guarded by angels, food will be multiplied and only believers will be admitted. However, life will be very rustic, with no electricity etc.
While believers will be protected through the end of the Tribulation at these refuges, those who reside their for 3.5 years will live a very difficult life. The Christians who do not make it to the Refuges will be eventually executed as the antichrist tries to remove ALL evidence of Jesus from the world. So, the fact that Christians will leave for these refuges may appear to others as a sort of rapture. That is possible. However, the scripture passage (about being called up into the clouds) does not refer to the "rapture" but rather the 2nd Coming.
If it were not for the refuges, where believers will be protected, there would no left Christians left to meet Jesus when he comes to defend Israel.
Sorry brother, I can see that this is a topic that is of great interest to you. As I noted, I simply do not have the time to discuss it at length. I believe your interpretation--one that only became popular in the 1800's--is faulty.
You can believe that all you want but I provided links that show this is the best interpretation of what The Bible says that we have.
At the same time, as we are living these very times, we will see with our own eyes, and what will happen will be. Thus, there is not a great incentive to discuss at length.
None of the actions that occur during The Tribulation have come to pass yet. To say that we are currently in it is highly ignorant. Where is the False Prophet? Where is the one world currency? Where are the Two Witnesses? Where are the 3 1/2 years of peace and 3 1/2 years of war? We are not there yet for a multitude of reasons.
As the Bible notes, there will be many martyrs during this period. Martyrs of course refers to Christians.
Martyrs refers to Christians who are killedBECAUSE of their faith and refusal to take the Mark of the Beast. It's highly explicit.
However, when Christ returns after the Tribulation we will in fact see him coming 'in the clouds', not before.
I've addressed this in your last comment. If you're not going to even bother to consider what I write, what are you doing here? You have ignored basically the entirety of my previous comment. That is not genuine discussion. Stop using the excuse of, "time" and just reply when you DO have time.
The very notion that Christians--as a result of reciting a few words in Scripture--will get to miss out on the entire Tribulation period is really silly and certainly not Biblical.
It's explicitly from The Bible with direct context and relation from The Tribulation. How can you even argue it's, "not Biblical?" We don't get to pick and choose which verses we like - The Word of God is not defined by us.
Jews, like Christians have always suffered more, not less than other groups. The Tribulation period will be no exception to that rule. Millions will be martyred for their faith.
Do you think that God is not in control? Do you really think the purpose of Tribulation is to punish unbelievers while simultaneously focusing the hardest on believers? Do you not see the mutually exclusive positions that you hold?
Tribulation is not about Christians. That doesn't mean that bad things will not happen to new Christians who found their faith during the Tribulation.
There is a partial truth to what you believe in that God will make provision for believers in places called refuges. You can read about these at www.johnleary.com and many other places.
I love how you accuse me of being non-biblical while posting to a website whose copyright hasn't been updated since 2008, and someone who defines himself as Catholic, claims himself to be a prophet, and comes up with ideas that are in no conceivable way supported from Biblical text. Hell, The Bible explicitly warns us about people like him - they're called false prophets.
I'd think you were a troll if I hadn't seen you post other cult-like ideas like this before.
God has called many individuals to build shelters so that at the appointed time, those who have the seal on their forehead will be called to the nearest refuge. Refuges will be guarded by angels, food will be multiplied and only believers will be admitted. However, life will be very rustic, with no electricity etc.
Absolutely NONE of this is Biblical. It is the exact opposite of what Revelations defines.
This also relates to your remarks about the martyr's - The Bible is INCREDIBLY explicit about this. Those who do not take the mark will be killed, those who do take the mark are damned for eternity. It is explicit in Revelations 14:10-11.
I will pray for you.
While believers will be protected through the end of the Tribulation at these refuges, those who reside their for 3.5 years will live a very difficult life. The Christians who do not make it to the Refuges will be eventually executed as the antichrist tries to remove ALL evidence of Jesus from the world. So, the fact that Christians will leave for these refuges may appear to others as a sort of rapture. That is possible. However, the scripture passage (about being called up into the clouds) does not refer to the "rapture" but rather the 2nd Coming.
If it were not for the refuges, where believers will be protected, there would no left Christians left to meet Jesus when he comes to defend Israel.
There will be Christians present during and at the end of Tribulation - Those who have never heard or been exposed to The Word of God and Jesus's testimony before can be saved during Tribulation. What else is the purpose of The Two Witnesses, and the 144,000? Those Christians must either be martyrs or hide from the New World Order, Cabal, whatever you want to call them, or they would be killed for not taking the Mark of the Beast.
I would appreciate it if you took the time to consider what I am writing instead of just ignoring it altogether. I have done my best to go through every point you have made in each of your comments, while you have acted as if I do not exist at all. You are talking to a brick wall if you do not acknowledge and react accordingly to my comments. There's no need for hostility or bad behavior between us, so can't we have a genuine discussion with each other?
Yeah I’m leaning more against what you’ve mentioned. I think you two are on the same page, but the Bible states pretty clear on when the rapture takes place. People vanish. Like the reference about lying in a bed and your partner is no longer there, kinda deal. I feel if we just focus on our faith in Jesus, we will be fine. No suffering in the tribulation period. Difficult, but not suffering. Marked, but not the mark of the beast, the mark from God. If we’re still here. Gods mark will be invisible to human eye, only His angels can see such. A lot of this just comes back to, do not comply. Don’t comply with man. Trust in God I hope we are all here to help each other. I trust in God to keep brothers like you both, to help us if needed. Thank you for that.
Sounds good to me brother. Differences in perspective do not matter a great deal to me as whatever happens, will happen. I have faith God will provide either way! Happy New Year!
You need to sit down and reread the Bible. Your claims are not only incorrect you are drastically incorrect spreading lies. The Bible warns of individuals like yourself. I’d be mindful of what you say in the future on this subject.
Blatantly going against The Bible. It's very clear on The Rapture.
What do you think these verses are referring to if not The Rapture? https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-of-the-church.html
It's highly explicit.
What do you base this off of if you're not following what The Bible has given to us as the indicator?
This isn't biblical whatsoever
Show me some verses that support this.
You're talking about The White Throne Judgement and The Judgement Seat of Christ. These are two separate instances, which are quite different. Regardless, one is for believers and one is for nonbelievers. The Judgement Seat of Christ occurs during Tribulation for believers who have been raptured where Christ delivers us from our sin and we are blameless during the "trial", and The White Throne Judgement occurs at the end of the Millennia for nonbelievers. They are shown all of the sin in their life and shown exactly why they are going to the Lake of Fire.
https://www.davidjeremiah.org/age-of-signs/side-by-side-comparison-great-white-throne-and-judgment-seat-of-christ
We already have been, it's called The Bible. Where do you think a different warning would even come from? The Bible is VERY clear about false prophets - the only thing I could think of is that you're referring to either the 144,000 or The Two Witnesses, but again that's DURING the tribulation and post rapture. The Mark will be easily identifiable based upon the information given to us - the warning is already in The Bible. Revelations is very clear on this.
This is post Tribulation and it's much more complicated than that. You're referring to the period of the millennia and massively misunderstanding it.
"The Evil Ones" Do you mean the fucking Devil? Or are you using this goofy term to refer to The Devil's attempt at the Trinity?
There is a massive deception that is put over people in The Tribulation so that many will not recognize things that are occurring right in front of their eyes, yes, but that's not speaking of the millennia.
Sorry brother, while I respect your beliefs, and the polite manner in which you present them, I suggest two basic alternatives.
There are Bible verses to back up every claim I have made here.
You are conflating The Rapture with The Second Coming of Christ. They are two very distinct events. In one, Christ meets us in the clouds (The Rapture), and in the other, Christ returns to Earth (to take his place on the throne, where all bow and acknowledge him as Christ).
https://www.gotquestions.org/difference-Rapture-Second-Coming.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/rapture-tribulation.html
It absolutely does, see above. Furthermore I see no relevance as to when the idea gained popularity. The Bible itself did not change causing the confusion, only our limited perspective and interpretation did.
Christ is clearly seen as meeting us in the Clouds and returning to Heaven with no mention of his second coming, and in other verses he does truly return. They are two very distinct events, with very different timelines. MANY other events during Tribulation, including the very purpose of Tribulation, make no sense if the church is still present on Earth. It's literally one of the opening statements to Revelations as a whole, in Chapter 3 if I remember correctly.
And what would the purpose of this be? And why do you contradict what The Bible VERY clearly outlines for us? It EXPLICITLY says that Tribulation is not for believers and that we are spared from it. It's VERY explicit, and outlined in the link above.
You need to clarify what you're trying to say here, your statement as written is ambiguous.
No one is disputing that there are martyrs during Tribulation, that's kind of one of the key points.
Why would you consider any of this to be theoretical? It's in The Bible and clearly prophesized. I'm not sure what relevance this has or what your point here is.
Yes, as he IS Satan himself. It is his attempt to create his own Trinity in his attempt to be God.
I think you may have your priorities backwards, then. You are basically admitting that you have an idol in your life. You may want to reflect on that.
I believe it IS clear. The Bible is clearly outlined and the link I sent above clearly addresses your points. There are two distinct events - The Rapture and The Second Coming. There's plenty of commentary that analyzes this and studies that go through the Book of Revelations. Man's word does not matter, only what The Bible says is Truth.
Sorry brother, I can see that this is a topic that is of great interest to you. As I noted, I simply do not have the time to discuss it at length. I believe your interpretation--one that only became popular in the 1800's--is faulty. At the same time, as we are living these very times, we will see with our own eyes, and what will happen will be. Thus, there is not a great incentive to discuss at length.
As the Bible notes, there will be many martyrs during this period. Martyrs of course refers to Christians. However, when Christ returns after the Tribulation we will in fact see him coming 'in the clouds', not before. The very notion that Christians--as a result of reciting a few words in Scripture--will get to miss out on the entire Tribulation period is really silly and certainly not Biblical. Jews, like Christians have always suffered more, not less than other groups. The Tribulation period will be no exception to that rule. Millions will be martyred for their faith.
There is a partial truth to what you believe in that God will make provision for believers in places called refuges. You can read about these at www.johnleary.com and many other places. God has called many individuals to build shelters so that at the appointed time, those who have the seal on their forehead will be called to the nearest refuge. Refuges will be guarded by angels, food will be multiplied and only believers will be admitted. However, life will be very rustic, with no electricity etc.
While believers will be protected through the end of the Tribulation at these refuges, those who reside their for 3.5 years will live a very difficult life. The Christians who do not make it to the Refuges will be eventually executed as the antichrist tries to remove ALL evidence of Jesus from the world. So, the fact that Christians will leave for these refuges may appear to others as a sort of rapture. That is possible. However, the scripture passage (about being called up into the clouds) does not refer to the "rapture" but rather the 2nd Coming.
If it were not for the refuges, where believers will be protected, there would no left Christians left to meet Jesus when he comes to defend Israel.
Happy New Year brother,
You can believe that all you want but I provided links that show this is the best interpretation of what The Bible says that we have.
None of the actions that occur during The Tribulation have come to pass yet. To say that we are currently in it is highly ignorant. Where is the False Prophet? Where is the one world currency? Where are the Two Witnesses? Where are the 3 1/2 years of peace and 3 1/2 years of war? We are not there yet for a multitude of reasons.
Martyrs refers to Christians who are killed BECAUSE of their faith and refusal to take the Mark of the Beast. It's highly explicit.
I've addressed this in your last comment. If you're not going to even bother to consider what I write, what are you doing here? You have ignored basically the entirety of my previous comment. That is not genuine discussion. Stop using the excuse of, "time" and just reply when you DO have time.
It's explicitly from The Bible with direct context and relation from The Tribulation. How can you even argue it's, "not Biblical?" We don't get to pick and choose which verses we like - The Word of God is not defined by us.
Do you think that God is not in control? Do you really think the purpose of Tribulation is to punish unbelievers while simultaneously focusing the hardest on believers? Do you not see the mutually exclusive positions that you hold?
Tribulation is not about Christians. That doesn't mean that bad things will not happen to new Christians who found their faith during the Tribulation.
I love how you accuse me of being non-biblical while posting to a website whose copyright hasn't been updated since 2008, and someone who defines himself as Catholic, claims himself to be a prophet, and comes up with ideas that are in no conceivable way supported from Biblical text. Hell, The Bible explicitly warns us about people like him - they're called false prophets.
I'd think you were a troll if I hadn't seen you post other cult-like ideas like this before.
Absolutely NONE of this is Biblical. It is the exact opposite of what Revelations defines.
https://www.gotquestions.org/saved-after-mark-beast.html
This also relates to your remarks about the martyr's - The Bible is INCREDIBLY explicit about this. Those who do not take the mark will be killed, those who do take the mark are damned for eternity. It is explicit in Revelations 14:10-11.
I will pray for you.
There will be Christians present during and at the end of Tribulation - Those who have never heard or been exposed to The Word of God and Jesus's testimony before can be saved during Tribulation. What else is the purpose of The Two Witnesses, and the 144,000? Those Christians must either be martyrs or hide from the New World Order, Cabal, whatever you want to call them, or they would be killed for not taking the Mark of the Beast.
I would appreciate it if you took the time to consider what I am writing instead of just ignoring it altogether. I have done my best to go through every point you have made in each of your comments, while you have acted as if I do not exist at all. You are talking to a brick wall if you do not acknowledge and react accordingly to my comments. There's no need for hostility or bad behavior between us, so can't we have a genuine discussion with each other?
Yeah I’m leaning more against what you’ve mentioned. I think you two are on the same page, but the Bible states pretty clear on when the rapture takes place. People vanish. Like the reference about lying in a bed and your partner is no longer there, kinda deal. I feel if we just focus on our faith in Jesus, we will be fine. No suffering in the tribulation period. Difficult, but not suffering. Marked, but not the mark of the beast, the mark from God. If we’re still here. Gods mark will be invisible to human eye, only His angels can see such. A lot of this just comes back to, do not comply. Don’t comply with man. Trust in God I hope we are all here to help each other. I trust in God to keep brothers like you both, to help us if needed. Thank you for that.
Sounds good to me brother. Differences in perspective do not matter a great deal to me as whatever happens, will happen. I have faith God will provide either way! Happy New Year!
You need to sit down and reread the Bible. Your claims are not only incorrect you are drastically incorrect spreading lies. The Bible warns of individuals like yourself. I’d be mindful of what you say in the future on this subject.