This thread is causing anguish to some while resonating with a lot more people.
I humbly request people who want to respond to this to read this fully.
I will start off saying that while OP (u/GoingCamaro) raises very valid point about this movement being a worldwide movement and when the Awakening happens a lot of people will be in deep shock because their world view is black and white just like a lot of normies.
However, I do believe this post would have better resonated with everyone if it acknowledged and empathised with the fact that white people have been targeted and demonised and "racism" has been weaponised for way too long.
I also believe that those people getting triggered by this post are not necessarily racist. Infact, I would go so far as to say most are not racists. I think the real triggering aspect is the fact that the entire mainstream has been against them for so long and this post happens to call out white people wanting to isolate themselves very specifically.
OP has pointed out very well that a lot of problems such as higher crime rate in ethnic communities are actually caused by the Cabal and these communities are in fact victims of the Cabal as well. I agree with this wholeheartedly. We have to always see who the real enemy is, and the tools used by enemy are not our enemy. They are our brothers and sisters who hopefully will Awaken soon.
However, OP specifically called out white people wanting to isolate themselves into their own community, equating it to racism - without similarly acknowledging that this is caused by the Cabal as well, and they are as much the victims of Cabal's divide and conquer as the ethnic communities we talked about before. I think this was a great omission causing a lot of heartache.
As a person of color who has experienced racism in 3 continents myself, I have no hesitation in saying racism is much like "Qanon" a divisive term coined by the media that serves no real purpose.
What most people refer to as "racism" is actually "racial prejudice" - and it's a very natural thing, because we evolved as tribal beings. Most of the times just being exposed to interactions with members of different "races" is enough to take away the prejudices. Some prejudices cannot be helped. I myself has prejudices against my own race and I work hard to ensure I don't perpetuate the very same myself.
Does racial prejudice justify anyone from hurting any person based on their skin color? Absolutely not. However, is it a crime to think of different set of people differently? No, it's natural and is reflected by the sum total of our experiences. I always keep wishing that people of my own race behave themselves better setting up a better stereotype as more people interact with them.
Also, let me be clear - I respect the choices of any people wanting to isolate themselves, its part of freedom of expression, as long as they dont hurt or needlessly allow others to be hurt. I would love them the same as I love any other human being in this world, and I understand why sometimes communities thrive when there is a common cultural foundation.
I guarantee that most people who want to isolate themselves would actually prefer to be with others who share their world views regardless of their skin color, especially post Awakening, once the divisive effects of the Cabal is removed from the equation.
I sincerely thank GoingCamaro for creating that thread and appreciate their intention, even though the execution could have been better ;)
I am going to lock that thread since I think it has run its course.
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I made no claim to my own perspective on all of scripture, not sure where that accusation comes from. Only that the Bible is God's word and no other "holy book" comes close. Reading them is so vastly different and full of direct contradictions. The core message of the NT is Jesus is the need for redemption through solely Jesus, which is outlined in passages such as John 14:6 "Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and Luke 13:22-28
23 And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."
It is narrow, Jesus tells us directly so. Talmudic Judaism and Islam explicitly reject this view. They do not accept Jesus as savior. It is important to understand this point or you will be deceived by many such as the current Pope who are pushing for a one world religion that rejects Jesus as the only way. You don't have to like it because it doesn't seem "nice" to not have these religions build into one, but the Truth is the truth. I believe the OT is included in that Truth.
You need to ask yourself, why did these lesser, explicitly contradictory religions come after Jesus? It contradicts your recognition of a developing spiritual maturity, theirs is a regressive one.
Many Arabs were Christians before Muslims came in any slaughtered many of them, stole their wives as sex slaves, and forced the remainder of them into submission. This is not from external sources! This is from their own Hadith!
You need to spend more time in the Bible and other primary sources (the Qur'an and Hadith) and less time on esoteric websites that fail to grasp the common description of the text. The Bible says in Acts over 400 people received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost in one day, that is far more than 72.
I do not deny that some of the other faiths teach virtues...but those are first and foremost found in the revelations of the OT prophets, Jesus, and His disciples. There is nothing new that is true in the other faiths... It is not that they are 100% all lies, it is that the important points are lies. They are distractions used by the adversary to lead people down a wrong path of personal atonement that is impossible. Only Jesus can save.
Thank you for a decent conversation. We disagree on some major points, but I think we do not disagree on the key one:
That salvation is through Christ.
I do have a personal objection to the "only Christianity is from God" viewpoint, because I think that it denies God's work in so much of humanity, and fails to recognize that God's love is greater than doctrine.
More importantly, because I see this perspective as violating Jesus ' heart and efforts for the salvation of humanity, and as a roadblock to accomplishment of God's will.
I also believe that your focus on contradictions is a result of your desire to justify your faith in Scripture, as "the only way". I never stated, nor do I believe, that there are not contradictions. Of course there are! But the resolution of those contradictions requires rising to a higher level wherein one can see the fingerprint of God in all works, and thereby sift out the fake and false content.
You focus on the lies, as if that brings you closer to the truth, but it seems to me that this is a justification for faith that is less than mature, and less able to stand in its own right.
But that's my view. I'm quite grateful that we've been able to engage and share, without rancour.
It is my belief that all who seek and love Christ sincerely will one day arrive at a place of common understanding, where the contradiction in the world and in doctrine are no longer relevant, but where the presence of the Father is so overwhelming that our need or desire to focus on the differences and/or contradictions is organically removed from the experience of love in His Grace.
Until that day, I push on.
A blessing on your brother (sister?) for your sincere heart.
On the decent conversation, sure thing!
My faith stands firm on its own merits and belief through the working of the Holy Spirit in my life. I have been a Christian for a very long time.
I focused on the contradictions and falsehoods in other religions because you presented that there is merit in them and that Jesus provides a kind of universal salvation. I do not believe that and I am instructed to beware of false prophets by Jesus in Matthew 24:11.
I go by the standard that God instructs in Deuteronomy 18:21-22 21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
The Qur'an and Hadiths for me are unquestionably an evil book and commentary. It requires the subjugation of non Muslims. It commands husbands to beat their wives. The hadith say the end will not come until every Jew is killed. And so on for many more reasons. I pray for them that they will see the Truth. Many have already awoken to it by Jesus visiting them in dreams and visions. Ask them to pray to the God of Adam, Abraham, and Jesus to reveal who He is.
My study of other religions is primarily to engage in apologetics with believers of those religions. I do not wish for anyone to reject Jesus or at least not accept Him because they believe in universal salvation or something similar is enough. Passages like Romans 5 are quite clear on this issue to me. Since I believe in the narrow door, I cannot in good conscience let it go unsaid that Jesus is the only way. Whether people accept that is up to them and God.
Thanks again.
Well stated.
Are there things in the Old Testament that you think no longer apply to reborn Christians? Just curious.
We share no disagreement that Jesus is the only way. But we're different in that I see God working as well outside Christianity to bring people to Christ. My belief is that all true religions have a common mission, to reconnect God's children and eventually facilitate them coming to Christ.
Just as the teachings of the old testament were foundational, and then are consummated in Jesus, to me it makes more sense to understand other faiths (religions) and engage with them by affirming the value, the work of God, in order to raise them and bring them to Jesus.
Your point about not wanting any to reject or not accept Jesus is interesting, and I agree with the sentiment or motive here.
Be well.
I understand your sentiment I just can't share it after studying these other religions. It is my belief the enemy uses a portion of the truth to get people stuck in attempted self reconciliation and works-based living which cannot pay the debt of sin. Especially in post Jesus belief systems.
I believe the Old Testament is still very relevant to Christians but not all of the law given to the Jews has to be followed. As Christians we should follow the 10 Commandments aside from optionally keeping the Sabbath (outlined in the epistles, it is still good to keep the Sabbath / have a day of rest) and the instructions given by the apostles in Acts 15 at the Council of Jerusalem. From there, Christian living is much more about seeking the will of the Father, letting the Holy Spirit transform our minds and wills to be more like Jesus, and striving to live out the fruits of the spirit in loving the Lord with all our heart, soul, and mind...And loving our neighbor as ourself.
God bless.
PS. I see you are new here. What brought you to this place?
I've been lurking since right after the election results. I thought Q was really dumb for a long time but there were a lot of people talking about it including the media which I couldn't figure out. Used to 4chan just trolling. I looked into it once, rejected it, and then someone posted the ultimate q proofs video which convinced me at least that for better or worse there is a connection directly with Trump.
I started actually posting here when I had an insight about the Queen's death plan.