"Pandemic of the Unvaccinated" - Canadian buddy shared this with me
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Hmm not sure I agree with that assessment. If 80% of the population gets vax, and the same percentage of vaxxed/unvaxxed get sick, then it will look like 4x more risk for vax population. Based on this graphic, something like 3x more hospitalizations were vaxxed and maybe 1.2x ICU were vaxxed...but Canada has four times as many vaxxed people as unvaxxed. Bottom line then is that unvaxxed are more likely to be hospitalized and much more likely to go to ICU.
Assuming these numbers are accurate, of course.
If you click the context button and scroll down to the "COVID-19 cases by vaccination status" section, you will see that on about 12/23 the vaccinated surpassed the unvaccinated as a rate per 1000.
I have to ask, how do you add that context button ?
After you create a new post, there is a "set context" link underneath it. Its near the "save" and "delete" links.
Ohhh. Ok. Thanks! I had no idea that existed!
That shows case rate, not hospitalization or ICU rate. That is not relevant unless we can also see how many of each group never got tested. Most stats I have seen show that vaxxed get tested at a much higher rate (probably because they fear the virus more).
youre right and it's too bad people are accusing you of mental gymnastics. i had to take a lot of statistics courses for my work and your math is accurate.
I don't necessarily believe the data that's being released and I think hospitals are killing patients BUT, your interpretation of this graph being presented IS accurate!
The ICU counts are almost even between vaxxed and and unvaxxed when there are 4x more vaxxed. Not sure I follow your logic but that clearly shows unvaxxed go to ICU at a much higher rate.
You are correct. It is a statistical error to compare rates for the vaccinated and unvaccinated based on the general population total. If we lived in a perfect world, I’d want to see propensity score matching for patients and vaccination totals that weren’t “potentially incredibly overestimated” like Bloomberg admitted last month.
The biggest issue is that we cannot trust any of the data being presented. The definition of vaccinated is constantly changing, people are being included in counts when they aren’t even admitted for COVID, and there’s financial incentive to record “COVID cases” and “COVID deaths” that throw all data collection and analysis into question.
Until such time we can establish data integrity, comparing these rates is basically worthless.
Four times more vaccinated people. Same number in ICU. Ergo, unvaccinated are four times likely to be in ICU. Tell me where my logic is wrong.
This is the correct statement. But. They aren't telling you what they're in icu for. Just that they're in icu
These numbers are people hospitalized or in ICU for covid related reasons.
You really lost me on that one. Makes no sense at all.
What doesn't make sense? In a population of 100, say 80 are vaxxed. Say also that 40 vaxxed go to ICU and 10 unvaxxed go to ICU...50% of each. You can't say vaxxed are 4x more likely because the relative rate is the same (and in this data unvaxxed are clearly not going to ICU at the same rate).
This is literally what cognitive dissonance is.
no sorry but it's how rates work. you can't compare raw # of people in the ICU. you have to compare % of vaccinated population that's in ICU to % of unvaccinated population that's in ICU. I do this stuff as my career (not medical, but similar statistical analysis) and comlib is correct.
Maybe unvaxed more likely to be sent to ICU because not getting any treatments like Ivermectin. Thats only for the vaxed! So many variables, they are spinning the numbers so many ways.