With all due respect, what drives me a bit bonkers about this site is the following apparent and clear contradiction:
A DEMAND for "sauce" on one hand for valid, well researched posts.....
On the one hand, vs.
Drivel like this that is simply repeated over and over because it cannot be falsified (in that it is bunk). Israel was established by the Hand of God, as the Bible told us for nearly 2 millennia would happen prior to the Return of the Messiah.
But you apparently would prefer to repeat information you heard from some talking head trying to get followers on YouTube.
You're using one of the classic 5 major falsehoods used to mislead Christians, to wit: (1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people; (2) Jesus Christ was a Jew.
Judaism is a newer religion than Christianity is. Christianity has NEVER been based on Judaism. Judaism was created to confront the spread of Christianity - using the Bible as a prop and also to conceal Judaism's ritualistic practice of blood-letting.
As an example, below is information on Judaism's foundational Passover text.
Surprise, surprise, it's not from the Old Testament but rather the Haggadah, a thoroughly Talmudic work. (M. Hoffman III, "Judaism Discovered"). The Talmud was compiled as a result of the absolute destruction of Herod’s temple, in which every stone was carried away leaving no trace of it’s existence. In it we learn:
In 66 CE, when the Roman general Vespasian swept into Jerusalem, Judaism was a cultic, oral religion, with Herod's massive temple as its lodestar. Everything happened in the temple complex. Four years later, Vespasian's son Titus razed it to the ground. A quote from the Talmud:
"Where was God under the rubble?" wondered the Rabbis.
"How to praise him now that the temple was gone?"
The sages agreed: Jews would have to BECOME a people of the book, or they would disappear. Hence, they were NOT a people of the book before this time.
These people are not Israelites nor Judahites. So, Israel today is a false Israel.
The Jews are not Israelites. From their own academic texts we find:
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an 'Israelite' or a 'Hebrew'". -- 1980 Jewish Almanac, 1st chapter "Identity Crisis". (Jewish Encyclopedia IV, 1902, p 335).
This is indisputably backed up by the archaeological finds of ancient Israelites and their skulls. Cranial shape and size does not change racially. The Israelite skulls were dolichocephalic (long-headed) with avg. cranial capacity of 1416cc. This is identical to modern northern Europeans. Modern day Jews are brachycephalic (round-headed) with a much smaller avg. cranial capacity of 1266cc. This fact alone convincingly proves modern Jews are not descendants of ancient Israel.
"Edom is in modern Jewry" -- The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, Page 41
"Jews began in the 19th century to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860". – Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23.
Brother, I think we are getting off track. My source is Scripture, bot the Old Testament (which goes back 5000 years minimum) and the New Testament, which focuses upon Jesus. My source is universally accepted and credible. Yours is not. Furthermore, I am not cherry picking arguments to piece together a narrative. You are. Thus, there really is no comparison.
Either you accept the Gospel or you do not? All in the Gospel were good practicing Jews. All of them. Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. You apparently have not read the Old Testament. You should as you would likely find it amazing and inspirational. It foretells the coming of Jesus the Messiah.
God Bless Brother.
The earliest Old Testament that is available is the Greek Septuagint written in 285 BC and finished shortly afterward. Your source regrettably is from authors of lies and deception. I've researched for over 40 years to tell you that very little being preached as being "universally accepted and accepted".
Unfortunately, you're repeating one or two of the grand falsehoods that are taught to Christians. The "Chosen" are not the Jews. This is blatantly un-scriptural and incorrect and Jesus was not a Jew either. The Jews are not Israelites and their own scholars admit this. Even archaeologists have proven this with showing the racial cranial shapes and capacity do not change in time and do not match modern jews. The difference is as disparate as sino-Chinese is to Congolese.
In regards to your "5000 year old minimum" comment, the ancient written Hebrew (paleo-Hebrew) was lost in antiquity. The neo-Hebrew used at this website with vowel points, something the original language never used, was manufactured in the 10th Century.
The earliest Bible we have is the Greek Septuagint. The Septuagint was used widely by the early Christians exclusively as their Old Testament Bible. This is a widely accepted fact and that the quotations of Christ and His Apostles that occur in the New Testament are taken exclusively from the Septuagint. According to tradition,Ptolemy Philadelphus, who purchased the freedom of Israelites in his territories, arranged for 6 scholars from each of the 12 tribes to translate the first five books of the Old Testament from the ancient Hebrew into Greek around 285 BC. By this time, a practical knowledge of the Hebrew language was all but lost among the Hellenized Israelites citizens.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek had become the common language of the known world. So Ptolemy gathered 72 scholars in Alexandria, Egypt and they completed the Pentateuch (first five Books of the OT). The Latin name 'Septuagint', meaning 70, was later, applied to the translation. Both 'The Letter of Aristeas', who was an assistant of Ptolemy and the historian Flavius Josephus record in detail the history of the making of the Septuagint. It is unclear when the rest of the OT was finished in the Septuagint, but it was certainly finished by 150 BC. The original Hebrew OT are now lost in antiquity.
From the Greek Septuagint derives the original Greek New Testament, which was also lost in antiquity. From the original Greek NT, the Latin Vulgate was translated.
Much later in the 10th Century, Phariseeic scholars called the ’Masoretes’ used the Greek Septuagint to reverse engineer from a family of languages that are Semitic. With the original Hebrew OT being lost, the Masoretes depended on the existing Afroasiatic language family (Arabic) and Aramaic to successfully 'revive' a dead language.
Even Wikipedia admits to modern Hebrew as being a revived dead language.
The original written Hebrew had only consonants and it depended on an oral tradition of learned scholars to know what the words meant. The Masoretes created a new written 'Hebrew' that had vowel points. These vowel points are any of a group of auxiliary symbols, as small lines and dots, placed above or below consonant symbols to indicate vowels in a writing system.
Arabic uses vowel points.
The Masoretes finished translating the New Hebrew version from the Septuagint in the 10th Century AD. The Masoretic Text, as it is called, was accepted as being the basis of all Protestant Bibles. In the same period, it was used as a source, along with later Greek Texts (such as the Miniscules, etc.) as the basis for the Textus Receptus. From the Masoretic Text, the King James Version was transliterated.
This information can all be verified with some research.
Men will plan, God will decide. The return of the Jewish people to Israel was an amazing event foretold by Scripture. However, the letter you share reveals nothing nefarious about this at all. As one minor clarification, you will note that the term "Zionism" was not considered pejorative (critical) until more recently. As Rothschild was a wealthy man, it makes complete sense that he would be informed of these developments. Ultimately, the historical record shows that Rothschild did nothing to help Jews by creating Israel. It took WWII--many years later--and the evils of Hitler to get the world to act. Had Rotschild done what he should have done originally--i.e., had he not been so evil--the murder of millions of Jews by Hitler may never have happened.
Some background information from Wiki:
The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine; within two months a memorandum was circulated to the Cabinet by a Zionist Cabinet member, Herbert Samuel, proposing the support of Zionist ambitions in order to enlist the support of Jews in the wider war. A committee was established in April 1915 by British Prime Minister H. H. Asquith to determine their policy towards the Ottoman Empire including Palestine. Asquith, who had favoured post-war reform of the Ottoman Empire, resigned in December 1916; his replacement David Lloyd George favoured partition of the Empire. The first negotiations between the British and the Zionists took place at a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann submit a draft of a public declaration. Further drafts were discussed by the British Cabinet during September and October, with input from Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews but with no representation from the local population in Palestine.
By late 1917, in the lead up to the Balfour Declaration, the wider war had reached a stalemate, with two of Britain's allies not fully engaged: the United States had yet to suffer a casualty, and the Russians were in the midst of a revolution with Bolsheviks taking over the government. A stalemate in southern Palestine was broken by the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. The release of the final declaration was authorised on 31 October; the preceding Cabinet discussion had referenced perceived propaganda benefits amongst the worldwide Jewish community for the Allied war effort.
The opening words of the declaration represented the first public expression of support for Zionism by a major political power. The term "national home" had no precedent in international law, and was intentionally vague as to whether a Jewish state was contemplated. The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words "in Palestine" meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine. The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitism worldwide by "stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands". The declaration called for safeguarding the civil and religious rights for the Palestinian Arabs, who composed the vast majority of the local population, and also the rights and political status of the Jewish communities in other countries outside of Palestine. The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's views should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights.
The declaration had many long-lasting consequences. It greatly increased popular support for Zionism within Jewish communities worldwide, and became a core component of the British Mandate for Palestine, the founding document of Mandatory Palestine, which later became Israel and the Palestinian territories. As a result, it is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, often described as the world's most intractable conflict. Controversy remains over a number of areas, such as whether the declaration contradicted earlier promises the British made to the Sharif of Mecca in the McMahon–Hussein correspondence.
As I noted Rothschild like Soros abandoned the Jewish people and all principle for money. Rothschild could have helped the Jews establish Israel but he did not. He did nothing. Hitler had to act before the Jews would receive a homeland.
Jesus chose 12 Jewish disciples 1 of whom betrayed him. The others were Saints! Supporting Israel is the cause of freedom and a key American 🇺🇸 priority. If we ever abandon Israel 🇮🇱 America will fall
With all due respect, what drives me a bit bonkers about this site is the following apparent and clear contradiction:
On the one hand, vs.
But you apparently would prefer to repeat information you heard from some talking head trying to get followers on YouTube.
You're using one of the classic 5 major falsehoods used to mislead Christians, to wit: (1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people; (2) Jesus Christ was a Jew.
Judaism is a newer religion than Christianity is. Christianity has NEVER been based on Judaism. Judaism was created to confront the spread of Christianity - using the Bible as a prop and also to conceal Judaism's ritualistic practice of blood-letting.
As an example, below is information on Judaism's foundational Passover text.
Surprise, surprise, it's not from the Old Testament but rather the Haggadah, a thoroughly Talmudic work. (M. Hoffman III, "Judaism Discovered"). The Talmud was compiled as a result of the absolute destruction of Herod’s temple, in which every stone was carried away leaving no trace of it’s existence. In it we learn:
In 66 CE, when the Roman general Vespasian swept into Jerusalem, Judaism was a cultic, oral religion, with Herod's massive temple as its lodestar. Everything happened in the temple complex. Four years later, Vespasian's son Titus razed it to the ground. A quote from the Talmud:
"Where was God under the rubble?" wondered the Rabbis.
"How to praise him now that the temple was gone?"
The sages agreed: Jews would have to BECOME a people of the book, or they would disappear. Hence, they were NOT a people of the book before this time.
These people are not Israelites nor Judahites. So, Israel today is a false Israel.
The Jews are not Israelites. From their own academic texts we find:
"Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a 'Jew' or to call a contemporary Jew an 'Israelite' or a 'Hebrew'". -- 1980 Jewish Almanac, 1st chapter "Identity Crisis". (Jewish Encyclopedia IV, 1902, p 335).
This is indisputably backed up by the archaeological finds of ancient Israelites and their skulls. Cranial shape and size does not change racially. The Israelite skulls were dolichocephalic (long-headed) with avg. cranial capacity of 1416cc. This is identical to modern northern Europeans. Modern day Jews are brachycephalic (round-headed) with a much smaller avg. cranial capacity of 1266cc. This fact alone convincingly proves modern Jews are not descendants of ancient Israel.
"Edom is in modern Jewry" -- The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, Page 41
"Jews began in the 19th century to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860". – Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23.
Brother, I think we are getting off track. My source is Scripture, bot the Old Testament (which goes back 5000 years minimum) and the New Testament, which focuses upon Jesus. My source is universally accepted and credible. Yours is not. Furthermore, I am not cherry picking arguments to piece together a narrative. You are. Thus, there really is no comparison. Either you accept the Gospel or you do not? All in the Gospel were good practicing Jews. All of them. Jesus was the prophesied Messiah. You apparently have not read the Old Testament. You should as you would likely find it amazing and inspirational. It foretells the coming of Jesus the Messiah. God Bless Brother.
The earliest Old Testament that is available is the Greek Septuagint written in 285 BC and finished shortly afterward. Your source regrettably is from authors of lies and deception. I've researched for over 40 years to tell you that very little being preached as being "universally accepted and accepted".
Unfortunately, you're repeating one or two of the grand falsehoods that are taught to Christians. The "Chosen" are not the Jews. This is blatantly un-scriptural and incorrect and Jesus was not a Jew either. The Jews are not Israelites and their own scholars admit this. Even archaeologists have proven this with showing the racial cranial shapes and capacity do not change in time and do not match modern jews. The difference is as disparate as sino-Chinese is to Congolese.
In regards to your "5000 year old minimum" comment, the ancient written Hebrew (paleo-Hebrew) was lost in antiquity. The neo-Hebrew used at this website with vowel points, something the original language never used, was manufactured in the 10th Century.
The earliest Bible we have is the Greek Septuagint. The Septuagint was used widely by the early Christians exclusively as their Old Testament Bible. This is a widely accepted fact and that the quotations of Christ and His Apostles that occur in the New Testament are taken exclusively from the Septuagint. According to tradition,Ptolemy Philadelphus, who purchased the freedom of Israelites in his territories, arranged for 6 scholars from each of the 12 tribes to translate the first five books of the Old Testament from the ancient Hebrew into Greek around 285 BC. By this time, a practical knowledge of the Hebrew language was all but lost among the Hellenized Israelites citizens.
After the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek had become the common language of the known world. So Ptolemy gathered 72 scholars in Alexandria, Egypt and they completed the Pentateuch (first five Books of the OT). The Latin name 'Septuagint', meaning 70, was later, applied to the translation. Both 'The Letter of Aristeas', who was an assistant of Ptolemy and the historian Flavius Josephus record in detail the history of the making of the Septuagint. It is unclear when the rest of the OT was finished in the Septuagint, but it was certainly finished by 150 BC. The original Hebrew OT are now lost in antiquity.
From the Greek Septuagint derives the original Greek New Testament, which was also lost in antiquity. From the original Greek NT, the Latin Vulgate was translated.
Much later in the 10th Century, Phariseeic scholars called the ’Masoretes’ used the Greek Septuagint to reverse engineer from a family of languages that are Semitic. With the original Hebrew OT being lost, the Masoretes depended on the existing Afroasiatic language family (Arabic) and Aramaic to successfully 'revive' a dead language.
Even Wikipedia admits to modern Hebrew as being a revived dead language.
The original written Hebrew had only consonants and it depended on an oral tradition of learned scholars to know what the words meant. The Masoretes created a new written 'Hebrew' that had vowel points. These vowel points are any of a group of auxiliary symbols, as small lines and dots, placed above or below consonant symbols to indicate vowels in a writing system.
Arabic uses vowel points.
The Masoretes finished translating the New Hebrew version from the Septuagint in the 10th Century AD. The Masoretic Text, as it is called, was accepted as being the basis of all Protestant Bibles. In the same period, it was used as a source, along with later Greek Texts (such as the Miniscules, etc.) as the basis for the Textus Receptus. From the Masoretic Text, the King James Version was transliterated.
This information can all be verified with some research.
Men will plan, God will decide. The return of the Jewish people to Israel was an amazing event foretold by Scripture. However, the letter you share reveals nothing nefarious about this at all. As one minor clarification, you will note that the term "Zionism" was not considered pejorative (critical) until more recently. As Rothschild was a wealthy man, it makes complete sense that he would be informed of these developments. Ultimately, the historical record shows that Rothschild did nothing to help Jews by creating Israel. It took WWII--many years later--and the evils of Hitler to get the world to act. Had Rotschild done what he should have done originally--i.e., had he not been so evil--the murder of millions of Jews by Hitler may never have happened.
Some background information from Wiki: The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
Immediately following their declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, the British War Cabinet began to consider the future of Palestine; within two months a memorandum was circulated to the Cabinet by a Zionist Cabinet member, Herbert Samuel, proposing the support of Zionist ambitions in order to enlist the support of Jews in the wider war. A committee was established in April 1915 by British Prime Minister H. H. Asquith to determine their policy towards the Ottoman Empire including Palestine. Asquith, who had favoured post-war reform of the Ottoman Empire, resigned in December 1916; his replacement David Lloyd George favoured partition of the Empire. The first negotiations between the British and the Zionists took place at a conference on 7 February 1917 that included Sir Mark Sykes and the Zionist leadership. Subsequent discussions led to Balfour's request, on 19 June, that Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann submit a draft of a public declaration. Further drafts were discussed by the British Cabinet during September and October, with input from Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews but with no representation from the local population in Palestine.
By late 1917, in the lead up to the Balfour Declaration, the wider war had reached a stalemate, with two of Britain's allies not fully engaged: the United States had yet to suffer a casualty, and the Russians were in the midst of a revolution with Bolsheviks taking over the government. A stalemate in southern Palestine was broken by the Battle of Beersheba on 31 October 1917. The release of the final declaration was authorised on 31 October; the preceding Cabinet discussion had referenced perceived propaganda benefits amongst the worldwide Jewish community for the Allied war effort.
The opening words of the declaration represented the first public expression of support for Zionism by a major political power. The term "national home" had no precedent in international law, and was intentionally vague as to whether a Jewish state was contemplated. The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words "in Palestine" meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine. The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitism worldwide by "stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands". The declaration called for safeguarding the civil and religious rights for the Palestinian Arabs, who composed the vast majority of the local population, and also the rights and political status of the Jewish communities in other countries outside of Palestine. The British government acknowledged in 1939 that the local population's views should have been taken into account, and recognised in 2017 that the declaration should have called for the protection of the Palestinian Arabs' political rights.
The declaration had many long-lasting consequences. It greatly increased popular support for Zionism within Jewish communities worldwide, and became a core component of the British Mandate for Palestine, the founding document of Mandatory Palestine, which later became Israel and the Palestinian territories. As a result, it is considered a principal cause of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, often described as the world's most intractable conflict. Controversy remains over a number of areas, such as whether the declaration contradicted earlier promises the British made to the Sharif of Mecca in the McMahon–Hussein correspondence.
The sources you cite do not even qualify as speculation. Baseless, illogical and counter factual
As I noted Rothschild like Soros abandoned the Jewish people and all principle for money. Rothschild could have helped the Jews establish Israel but he did not. He did nothing. Hitler had to act before the Jews would receive a homeland.
Jesus chose 12 Jewish disciples 1 of whom betrayed him. The others were Saints! Supporting Israel is the cause of freedom and a key American 🇺🇸 priority. If we ever abandon Israel 🇮🇱 America will fall