One dose per second seems slow. Particularly when you consider that these vaccines are not the only drug being manufactured. I think one vial has multiple doses as well.
I mean I have 0 idea of theanufacturing process but it's not just about pouring water in a jar. There is a lot that goes into this. A dose per second does not seem slow to me.
You have to gather the ingredients, create whatever it is they create, mix it and homogenized it, load it up, then fill vials with precision, get them all out and pack and ship internationally while keeping these things supposedly at obscenely low temperatures that require specific specialty refrigerated vehicles and storage.
I haven't worked on any chemical manufacturing equipment, but I have designed assembly lines with multiple robotic cells joined together with various types of conveyor belt. Here's how I would think it would work:
All the hard work is done in batches in massive vats. This all occurs on an automated chemical "assembly" line with multiple stages. Ingredients are added in at their predefined stations (some are plumbed in permanently like water and gases) continuously to ensure uninterrupted 24/7 operation. Once the "cooking" back end is setup the concept of "one per second" ceases to matter as you now have a continuous supply of mixed chemical - this is no longer the bottle neck.
The biggest bottleneck would be packaging and storage. Packaging would occur on a robotic cell that fills viles one by one like a bottling plant or dozens at a time using a jig connected to a pressurised injection system. The former would real them off like a machine gun. The latter would require more precision and time but would do more at once. The viles would then be amalgamated together and loaded into a refrigerated truck that is waiting there all the time.
If you have sufficient redundancy built in that allows for maintenance during operation and an efficient just-in-time (JIT) supply chain you'd have a very fast and reliable human genocide machine.
Edit: this is not just one facility mind you, these would be scattered across the world working in parallel. I'm also not ruling out saline or some preproduction, just pointing out that one dose per second grossly underestimates the output capability of these facilities.
Your missing the whole development and supply chain part. It takes years to figure out the issues to go from bench scale to large scale. And that’s in industries where they’ve done this before.
Neither Moderna or BioNTech have ever made it to any large clinical trial before yet they can manufacture enough for the entire population 4x over.
They didn't do trials remember? They went straight to emergency production with concurrent trials. Therefore they didn't figure out the issues, hence why people are dropping like flies. I also assume production is outsourced as well - many countries have deals for local production. I think they also get to waive some liability. Robert Malone talks about waiting liability when outsourcing trials on the JRE podcast, so outsourcing production to more qualified and scalable organisations wouldn't be a huge mental leap.
Thanks for that. I helped set up some pharmaceutical conveyor belts but nothing like that. That makes sense. You'd need a whole army of refrigerated trucks for such fast and efficient worldwide distribution though right? And boats and planes with those specialized freezers?
One dose per second seems slow. Particularly when you consider that these vaccines are not the only drug being manufactured. I think one vial has multiple doses as well.
I mean I have 0 idea of theanufacturing process but it's not just about pouring water in a jar. There is a lot that goes into this. A dose per second does not seem slow to me.
You have to gather the ingredients, create whatever it is they create, mix it and homogenized it, load it up, then fill vials with precision, get them all out and pack and ship internationally while keeping these things supposedly at obscenely low temperatures that require specific specialty refrigerated vehicles and storage.
I haven't worked on any chemical manufacturing equipment, but I have designed assembly lines with multiple robotic cells joined together with various types of conveyor belt. Here's how I would think it would work:
All the hard work is done in batches in massive vats. This all occurs on an automated chemical "assembly" line with multiple stages. Ingredients are added in at their predefined stations (some are plumbed in permanently like water and gases) continuously to ensure uninterrupted 24/7 operation. Once the "cooking" back end is setup the concept of "one per second" ceases to matter as you now have a continuous supply of mixed chemical - this is no longer the bottle neck.
The biggest bottleneck would be packaging and storage. Packaging would occur on a robotic cell that fills viles one by one like a bottling plant or dozens at a time using a jig connected to a pressurised injection system. The former would real them off like a machine gun. The latter would require more precision and time but would do more at once. The viles would then be amalgamated together and loaded into a refrigerated truck that is waiting there all the time.
If you have sufficient redundancy built in that allows for maintenance during operation and an efficient just-in-time (JIT) supply chain you'd have a very fast and reliable human genocide machine.
Edit: this is not just one facility mind you, these would be scattered across the world working in parallel. I'm also not ruling out saline or some preproduction, just pointing out that one dose per second grossly underestimates the output capability of these facilities.
Your missing the whole development and supply chain part. It takes years to figure out the issues to go from bench scale to large scale. And that’s in industries where they’ve done this before.
Neither Moderna or BioNTech have ever made it to any large clinical trial before yet they can manufacture enough for the entire population 4x over.
They didn't do trials remember? They went straight to emergency production with concurrent trials. Therefore they didn't figure out the issues, hence why people are dropping like flies. I also assume production is outsourced as well - many countries have deals for local production. I think they also get to waive some liability. Robert Malone talks about waiting liability when outsourcing trials on the JRE podcast, so outsourcing production to more qualified and scalable organisations wouldn't be a huge mental leap.
You're very smart. Learn to spell. Vial, not vile. Schoolmarm.
Thanks for that. I helped set up some pharmaceutical conveyor belts but nothing like that. That makes sense. You'd need a whole army of refrigerated trucks for such fast and efficient worldwide distribution though right? And boats and planes with those specialized freezers?
vial. Schoolmarm.
Ty. Corrected.