True, but there are multiple ways to generate electricity.
How many ways are there to create gasoline?
Compare the number of moving parts in a ICE vs an EV, include the transmission
Compare the maintenance schedule, and expected motor life
What is on the road, battery technology wise, is not the same thing that is going to be on the road in 2-3 years. Everything is changing, as it was intended. What was once dirty - is becoming clean. Compare Coal fired power plants of the 1950's to the Coal plants in use today.
Are they the perfect solution to everyone, today? Nope
But, for us old geezers who remember when microwaves were thousands of dollars, and quickly heated hotdogs and cupcakes in the store demo - what tomorrow holds will be amazing.
I honestly don't know whether there are multiple ways to generate gasoline. Aren't people skeptical about it deriving from dinosaur fossils? What's the cost, including environmental, of batteries?
Motor life? I don't think we have a handle on the electrical motor life. The combustion engine has shown very good motor life. If you take care of it, and it was designed well, decades, maybe even centuries. I would much rather depend on a mechanical engine as opposed to one which requires a bunch of chips. Think about your electric vehicle trying to operate when it encounters a blue screen. At that point it's pretty much a paper weight. And I'll admit that I'm assuming that most, if not all, electric vehicles these days are very dependent on on-board computers, more so than non-electric vehicles though even non-electric vehicles these days are probably pretty dependent on on-board computers.
I admit I would like a little EV if I lived in a dense city, but also keeping my gas car just in case. When SHTF, fire > electricity. But the fact that they want to force people in rural or completely undeveloped areas all around the globe to drive EVs too shows that they intend to take cars and automobiles away from the masses and keep them for the elites and the Outer Party that serves them.
Hybrids more versatile than a straight EV because you aren't at the mercy of finding a charging station like the idiot in the vid. Hybrid best of both worlds, most efficient in traffic & city speeds plus pollution kept low. IC engine when you can use it most efficiently on open road. Now, if someone would make a diesel hybrid I might buy one.
I’m with you. If you have solar panels on your roof and have enough excess power to charge a little around town vehicle that’s awesome. I’m waiting for better battery technology before I’ll pull the trigger on one but I’d love to have a Tesla and a truck. It just makes sense for a contingency plan. For me it boils down to getting the hell off the grid and being insulated from potential fuckery from China.
Hydrogen fuel storage with a fuel cell motor. It's way more efficient and cost effective than lithium ion batteries.
Furthermore natural gas is plentiful and can be generated efficiently. But actual clean energy solutions are banned by the idiots in urban left holes. Heck CA refuses to buy hydroelectric power from the pacific northwest, because that's considered unclean.
The real purpose of their laws and mandates is to enslave the masses by creating artificial shortages. It's a standard tactic for communists.
There are 2 trillion barrels of oil in the Colorado Rockies. Thats more oil than all the worlds proven reserves and all the oil ever used combined.
Lithium mining is the dirtiest mining in the world.
Batteries suck and will always suck for something like a car. They cost as much as a new vehicle when they need to be replaced in 2 or 3 years. They are unreliable in cold weather and I would hate to caught in a snow storm like recently happened in Virginia and DC and have my battery run dry.
They are unrecyclable and toxic and require a tremendous amount of space to dispose of.
Wind and solar are just as stupid. And speaking of requiring a tremoendous amount of space to dispose of, those big turbines in wind farms have a useable life of around 20 years. Then what? There is almost no recyclable parts. They bury them in Texas, I think it is. Ive seen the pics. Miles long scar in the earth just for the carbon fiber plastic blades.
I saw a story about a school that bought a turbine to supply its power. It didnt even pay for itself before it died and the school is saddled with a ton of debt and hooked back up to the grid. In fact I dont believe any wind turbine has ever generated enough power to cover its cost. I dont have sauce on hand but look it up, there are tons of studies and stories on it.
Solar is hilariously unusable for anything larger than a lit sign in most of the world. The big solar farms in the desert that turn water into steam slaughter wildlife including endangered species. Greenies dont care though.
None of the green techs are really green. They are all scams. Until they let us use cold fusion (see Navy patents) we should be using what we have that is available and efficient, while we concentrate on mitigating deletrious effects.
I live in SoCal and of all the times I’ve driven through those desert solar farms all I’ve seen is traditional panels. What’s the water one you’re talking about? I will add that solar is so efficient out here it’s borderline retarded to not have it. If you bank your electricity you can laugh at all your neighbors when the power goes out too. I have liberal neighbors so don’t feel bad for them.
Evaporative ponds full of Brine, that take 1 years to evaporate and poison the ground water and soil are horrible
Do you imagine that is the only way to separate lithium carbonate from brine?
Steam engines were dominant before the ICE. Electrical engines are superior to ICE. We already have electrical prop planes that can fly at half the cost of ICE planes
As for cleaning up mining, there are many companies that will begin production THIS YEAR that are not only extremely green, but will revolutionize both clay and brine extraction for nickel and lithium. I know, I work with one as an advisor.
I'll concede that electric motors are incredible in many ways. What are we going to do with the giant batteries when they are no longer useful? it is a huge toxic burden on the horizon along with the giant windmills and solar panels. No way to recycle that crap.
Lithium batteries can be recycled almost indefinitely. In fact Quantumscape has shown that recycled lithium has ~42% greater surface area than virgin Lithium. So point in fact, recycled Lithium is substantially more chemically reactive, due to the porous nature of the recycling process
There are several companies entering into the industry to do this. Battery grade lithium Carbonate was $12,840 back in 2019 and just topped over $40,000 this past year. There is gold sitting in the e-waste lithium collection sites
True, but there are multiple ways to generate electricity.
How many ways are there to create gasoline? Compare the number of moving parts in a ICE vs an EV, include the transmission Compare the maintenance schedule, and expected motor life
What is on the road, battery technology wise, is not the same thing that is going to be on the road in 2-3 years. Everything is changing, as it was intended. What was once dirty - is becoming clean. Compare Coal fired power plants of the 1950's to the Coal plants in use today.
Are they the perfect solution to everyone, today? Nope But, for us old geezers who remember when microwaves were thousands of dollars, and quickly heated hotdogs and cupcakes in the store demo - what tomorrow holds will be amazing.
I honestly don't know whether there are multiple ways to generate gasoline. Aren't people skeptical about it deriving from dinosaur fossils? What's the cost, including environmental, of batteries?
Motor life? I don't think we have a handle on the electrical motor life. The combustion engine has shown very good motor life. If you take care of it, and it was designed well, decades, maybe even centuries. I would much rather depend on a mechanical engine as opposed to one which requires a bunch of chips. Think about your electric vehicle trying to operate when it encounters a blue screen. At that point it's pretty much a paper weight. And I'll admit that I'm assuming that most, if not all, electric vehicles these days are very dependent on on-board computers, more so than non-electric vehicles though even non-electric vehicles these days are probably pretty dependent on on-board computers.
I admit I would like a little EV if I lived in a dense city, but also keeping my gas car just in case. When SHTF, fire > electricity. But the fact that they want to force people in rural or completely undeveloped areas all around the globe to drive EVs too shows that they intend to take cars and automobiles away from the masses and keep them for the elites and the Outer Party that serves them.
Hybrids more versatile than a straight EV because you aren't at the mercy of finding a charging station like the idiot in the vid. Hybrid best of both worlds, most efficient in traffic & city speeds plus pollution kept low. IC engine when you can use it most efficiently on open road. Now, if someone would make a diesel hybrid I might buy one.
I’m with you. If you have solar panels on your roof and have enough excess power to charge a little around town vehicle that’s awesome. I’m waiting for better battery technology before I’ll pull the trigger on one but I’d love to have a Tesla and a truck. It just makes sense for a contingency plan. For me it boils down to getting the hell off the grid and being insulated from potential fuckery from China.
Hydrogen fuel storage with a fuel cell motor. It's way more efficient and cost effective than lithium ion batteries.
Furthermore natural gas is plentiful and can be generated efficiently. But actual clean energy solutions are banned by the idiots in urban left holes. Heck CA refuses to buy hydroelectric power from the pacific northwest, because that's considered unclean.
The real purpose of their laws and mandates is to enslave the masses by creating artificial shortages. It's a standard tactic for communists.
Does this exist or is it vaporware?
https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/fuel_cell_availability.html
and then there's https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
There are 2 trillion barrels of oil in the Colorado Rockies. Thats more oil than all the worlds proven reserves and all the oil ever used combined.
Lithium mining is the dirtiest mining in the world.
Batteries suck and will always suck for something like a car. They cost as much as a new vehicle when they need to be replaced in 2 or 3 years. They are unreliable in cold weather and I would hate to caught in a snow storm like recently happened in Virginia and DC and have my battery run dry. They are unrecyclable and toxic and require a tremendous amount of space to dispose of.
Wind and solar are just as stupid. And speaking of requiring a tremoendous amount of space to dispose of, those big turbines in wind farms have a useable life of around 20 years. Then what? There is almost no recyclable parts. They bury them in Texas, I think it is. Ive seen the pics. Miles long scar in the earth just for the carbon fiber plastic blades.
I saw a story about a school that bought a turbine to supply its power. It didnt even pay for itself before it died and the school is saddled with a ton of debt and hooked back up to the grid. In fact I dont believe any wind turbine has ever generated enough power to cover its cost. I dont have sauce on hand but look it up, there are tons of studies and stories on it.
Solar is hilariously unusable for anything larger than a lit sign in most of the world. The big solar farms in the desert that turn water into steam slaughter wildlife including endangered species. Greenies dont care though.
None of the green techs are really green. They are all scams. Until they let us use cold fusion (see Navy patents) we should be using what we have that is available and efficient, while we concentrate on mitigating deletrious effects.
I live in SoCal and of all the times I’ve driven through those desert solar farms all I’ve seen is traditional panels. What’s the water one you’re talking about? I will add that solar is so efficient out here it’s borderline retarded to not have it. If you bank your electricity you can laugh at all your neighbors when the power goes out too. I have liberal neighbors so don’t feel bad for them.
I live in Michigan and it is cloudy every day. Solar is worthless. Most of the world is like Michigan.
Evaporative ponds full of Brine, that take 1 years to evaporate and poison the ground water and soil are horrible
Do you imagine that is the only way to separate lithium carbonate from brine?
Steam engines were dominant before the ICE. Electrical engines are superior to ICE. We already have electrical prop planes that can fly at half the cost of ICE planes
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48630656
As for cleaning up mining, there are many companies that will begin production THIS YEAR that are not only extremely green, but will revolutionize both clay and brine extraction for nickel and lithium. I know, I work with one as an advisor.
I'll concede that electric motors are incredible in many ways. What are we going to do with the giant batteries when they are no longer useful? it is a huge toxic burden on the horizon along with the giant windmills and solar panels. No way to recycle that crap.
Lithium batteries can be recycled almost indefinitely. In fact Quantumscape has shown that recycled lithium has ~42% greater surface area than virgin Lithium. So point in fact, recycled Lithium is substantially more chemically reactive, due to the porous nature of the recycling process
There are several companies entering into the industry to do this. Battery grade lithium Carbonate was $12,840 back in 2019 and just topped over $40,000 this past year. There is gold sitting in the e-waste lithium collection sites
The problem is with the PUSH and using other people's money for 'incentives'. Fake gas prices etc.
Like tech development if worth while, shouldn't involve profits in the billion. Think vax.
EV same shit, I personally. Love the idea of hybrids. Can't wait for the woodchips/water/gas/electric hybrid space car later tbh.
Could not agree more
Steve Jobs didn’t need the Feds to create Apple; nor did Henry Ford need a grant.
A good idea will draw investors and large corporations. Let capitalism work