Thank you - I have been saying that for days. There can never be a control group since there is no way to tell what covid would have done before and after a vaccine to the same person. Idiots going around saying, "Oh it would have been so much worse without the vaccine."
Think about the climate hoax. The scare is that everything is getting warmer then when you get down to details, you find that you need to know just how much Arctic nights are wrming to get a handle on things. How can Joe Public ever find out for himself how much Arctic nights are warming? You need to trust the scientists.
Why does the vaccine effect need to be evaluated on an individual basis like that? You can use other people of a similar demographic to test the conditions and generalize the results. That's how nearly every medication study in history is done.
The control group would be the group of unvaccinated individuals who get COVID. The experimental group would be the group of vaccinated individuals who get COVID.
If fifty experimental and fifty control subjects all get COVID around the same time (from the same variant), then you'd compare the illness severity between the two groups. If the control group (unvaccinated) is getting sicker, requiring hospitalization more often, and has a higher incidence of death than the experimental group, then it would be fair to conclude that the vaccine lessens infection symptom severity.
You don't need to prove within a single individual both experimental conditions when that individual's health profile (reaction to both COVID and the vaccine) is considered generalizable enough to the entire population, and when you have a large enough population size, that becomes apparent pretty quickly based on whether you have a stable average profile per group or not.
There are plenty of studies that compare the rate and severity of hospitalization-level COVID infections in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals, but since they are formal studies by scientific and medical organizations, they tend to be dismissed here as being compromised and untrustworthy.
Even so, these types of studies absolutely have been done and are available for your review.
Thank you - I have been saying that for days. There can never be a control group since there is no way to tell what covid would have done before and after a vaccine to the same person. Idiots going around saying, "Oh it would have been so much worse without the vaccine."
it's one of the stupider things they say
The technique is, however, completely standard.
Think about the climate hoax. The scare is that everything is getting warmer then when you get down to details, you find that you need to know just how much Arctic nights are wrming to get a handle on things. How can Joe Public ever find out for himself how much Arctic nights are warming? You need to trust the scientists.
Which ones? Is the salient point
Why does the vaccine effect need to be evaluated on an individual basis like that? You can use other people of a similar demographic to test the conditions and generalize the results. That's how nearly every medication study in history is done.
The control group would be the group of unvaccinated individuals who get COVID. The experimental group would be the group of vaccinated individuals who get COVID.
If fifty experimental and fifty control subjects all get COVID around the same time (from the same variant), then you'd compare the illness severity between the two groups. If the control group (unvaccinated) is getting sicker, requiring hospitalization more often, and has a higher incidence of death than the experimental group, then it would be fair to conclude that the vaccine lessens infection symptom severity.
You don't need to prove within a single individual both experimental conditions when that individual's health profile (reaction to both COVID and the vaccine) is considered generalizable enough to the entire population, and when you have a large enough population size, that becomes apparent pretty quickly based on whether you have a stable average profile per group or not.
But no one has done that and yet the comment persists. a lie
There are plenty of studies that compare the rate and severity of hospitalization-level COVID infections in vaccinated vs unvaccinated individuals, but since they are formal studies by scientific and medical organizations, they tend to be dismissed here as being compromised and untrustworthy.
Even so, these types of studies absolutely have been done and are available for your review.
Thanks!