Trump has to remain popular in the US to win an election. Attacking him does undermine him.
Whether Putin is popular in the US or not does not matter. He only needs to be popular in Russia. And having the US hate him actually does not hurt him in Russia and may even benefit him there.
Also, the cabal is not stupid even though lots of people on this forum seem to think that they are. You underestimate your enemy at your own peril. So the question is, don't you think it would benefit the cabal to control both sides in a conflict? That way, they can orchestrate conflicts as it suits them. And it does suite them. I would put money that leader on both sides (Putin and Xiden) will gain popularity from this operation in their countries even though on the face of it, the outcome for Xiden's side will be a total failure. However, the media is already blaming high gas prices and supply chain issues on a conflict that started recently (unlike the issues) and they are saturating the airways with Ukraine stories, essentially sidelining everything else.
As for Putin, I do consider the possibility that maybe he against the cabal or maybe at best, on his own side. However, the following behavior is suspicious:
The media was foreshadowing a conflict in Ukraine for a few weeks. With the COVID narrative having fallen apart (reduction in fear, undermining their mass psychosis op), the Canadian Truckers undermining them, and with it coming out that the Trump campaign was spied on worse than Watergate, it very much looked like they needed a narrative change or they risked losing control. And Putin gave it to them. Why? And the airways are now full of just the Ukraine story from some many angles it seems ridiculous.
Why would Putin invade in late winter. It seems that a better time would early winter or late fall, when Europe was most vulnerable to the natural gas supply shortages. Did he want to make sure that Europe could claim to take a hard line on him by cutting natural gas from Russia when it wouldn't actually matter as they could manage off their stored reserves? Did he need Europe's money to fight this war so wanted to sell as much natural gas in late fall and early winter so he would not lose much money when Europe cut it off as a meaningless show of strength. Or was it simply that a narrative change was required at a particular time so that is when he needed to do it.
The West's and Putin's Russian propaganda are on equal footing. Both are full of lies or rhetoric. Putin is calling all the Ukrainian leader Nazis. Reminds me of Antifa. It wouldn't go on a limb and say all or even most of the Ukrainian leaders are good, but even if they are cabal (and probably are), that does not mean they are Nazis. This is just dishonest rhetoric. I'm not saying the western media doesn't do this, but he is no better in this regard.
Best case scenario is that Putin is a rouge agent who is not on the cabal's side but no on our side either. He might be on his own side. Worst case scenario is that he is controlled opposition.
You don't have to believe anything written here. But you should at least be open to the idea that it could be true. If you get angry reading this, than you should ask yourself why? Am I being manipulated?
Personally, it would be nice if Putin was on our side. However, I don't see any evidence for this. He at best acts in his own interest.
Also, let's not forget, that this is the same guy that executed a large portion of the Polish government back in 2010 by downing their plane. Then he went prancing around with the leader of their opposition, Donald Tusk (100% deep state) for photo ops. Poland and Russia had a treaty that they would have the right to investigate any of their plane crashes on each other's soil. Tusk waived that right to ensure that a real investigation would never take place (Putin ended up doing the investigation). Going into all the insane things that surround that whole incident would take too long, but long story short, Putin sure seems to co-operate with some deep state operatives at times and he certainly does some reprehensible things. There is no scenario in which he is the good guy.
You don't have to believe anything written here. But you should at least be open to the idea that it could be true. If you get angry reading this, than you should ask yourself why? Am I being manipulated?
I think this is critical because it is very easy to slide back into the emotional "yay for our side!" which is a big part of how we got to this point. Open mind does not mean open minded to my kind of open mindedness. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it false.
And BTW. I didn't down vote you, I updooted you for a thoughtfully written response.
I just don't believe we have ever had any true information on anything including Putin .... people hate Trump and will never change because the media work was pretty effective..., same could be true for Putin, and they've had way more time to vilify him.
I would agree that right now, we actually don't know what is going on in Ukraine. It could very well be that there are no good players and everyone is just doing what suits them.
We may find out what this was about when the dust settles and we see what ended up getting accomplished.
My only concern is that a lot of people on this forum have blindly jumped on the Putin band wagon. It might be because they rightfully see how corrupt and controlled Ukraine is and they think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However, that adage does not always hold. The deep state is fully capable of controlling both sides and creating minor conflicts to distract us from what is really happening. All these republican Rinos are a good example of controlling both sides in a political system.
We should always be skeptical in every situation and event. Maybe Putin will end up doing some good in Ukraine and maybe it will push our cause forward. However, until we see concrete evidence of that, I would not take a side and continue to be skeptical personally.
It is also an interesting fact, that Putin has now taken territory under Obama and under Xiden (with Obama almost certainly in the background). Never took any territory under Trump. It makes you think, are they letting him do this. Maybe the deep state leaders are just weak, but with how crazy they are and how little they care for human life, I find it hard to believe that if they wanted to keep Ukraine intact for themselves, they wouldn't resort to insanely unethical measures to get their way. At face value, things don't entirely make sense. Likely means we don't have the whole picture.
I don't trust the Western media which includes the US media. But I also don't trust Putin's media. Right now, I can only speculate on what might be going on as I don't trust any of the information out there.
The media paints Putin and Trump with the same brush... that ought to tell you a little something.
There is a big difference:
Trump has to remain popular in the US to win an election. Attacking him does undermine him.
Whether Putin is popular in the US or not does not matter. He only needs to be popular in Russia. And having the US hate him actually does not hurt him in Russia and may even benefit him there.
Also, the cabal is not stupid even though lots of people on this forum seem to think that they are. You underestimate your enemy at your own peril. So the question is, don't you think it would benefit the cabal to control both sides in a conflict? That way, they can orchestrate conflicts as it suits them. And it does suite them. I would put money that leader on both sides (Putin and Xiden) will gain popularity from this operation in their countries even though on the face of it, the outcome for Xiden's side will be a total failure. However, the media is already blaming high gas prices and supply chain issues on a conflict that started recently (unlike the issues) and they are saturating the airways with Ukraine stories, essentially sidelining everything else.
As for Putin, I do consider the possibility that maybe he against the cabal or maybe at best, on his own side. However, the following behavior is suspicious:
The media was foreshadowing a conflict in Ukraine for a few weeks. With the COVID narrative having fallen apart (reduction in fear, undermining their mass psychosis op), the Canadian Truckers undermining them, and with it coming out that the Trump campaign was spied on worse than Watergate, it very much looked like they needed a narrative change or they risked losing control. And Putin gave it to them. Why? And the airways are now full of just the Ukraine story from some many angles it seems ridiculous.
Why would Putin invade in late winter. It seems that a better time would early winter or late fall, when Europe was most vulnerable to the natural gas supply shortages. Did he want to make sure that Europe could claim to take a hard line on him by cutting natural gas from Russia when it wouldn't actually matter as they could manage off their stored reserves? Did he need Europe's money to fight this war so wanted to sell as much natural gas in late fall and early winter so he would not lose much money when Europe cut it off as a meaningless show of strength. Or was it simply that a narrative change was required at a particular time so that is when he needed to do it.
The West's and Putin's Russian propaganda are on equal footing. Both are full of lies or rhetoric. Putin is calling all the Ukrainian leader Nazis. Reminds me of Antifa. It wouldn't go on a limb and say all or even most of the Ukrainian leaders are good, but even if they are cabal (and probably are), that does not mean they are Nazis. This is just dishonest rhetoric. I'm not saying the western media doesn't do this, but he is no better in this regard.
Best case scenario is that Putin is a rouge agent who is not on the cabal's side but no on our side either. He might be on his own side. Worst case scenario is that he is controlled opposition.
You don't have to believe anything written here. But you should at least be open to the idea that it could be true. If you get angry reading this, than you should ask yourself why? Am I being manipulated?
Personally, it would be nice if Putin was on our side. However, I don't see any evidence for this. He at best acts in his own interest.
Also, let's not forget, that this is the same guy that executed a large portion of the Polish government back in 2010 by downing their plane. Then he went prancing around with the leader of their opposition, Donald Tusk (100% deep state) for photo ops. Poland and Russia had a treaty that they would have the right to investigate any of their plane crashes on each other's soil. Tusk waived that right to ensure that a real investigation would never take place (Putin ended up doing the investigation). Going into all the insane things that surround that whole incident would take too long, but long story short, Putin sure seems to co-operate with some deep state operatives at times and he certainly does some reprehensible things. There is no scenario in which he is the good guy.
I think this is critical because it is very easy to slide back into the emotional "yay for our side!" which is a big part of how we got to this point. Open mind does not mean open minded to my kind of open mindedness. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it false.
And BTW. I didn't down vote you, I updooted you for a thoughtfully written response.
I just don't believe we have ever had any true information on anything including Putin .... people hate Trump and will never change because the media work was pretty effective..., same could be true for Putin, and they've had way more time to vilify him.
Who knows, we certainly do not.
I would agree that right now, we actually don't know what is going on in Ukraine. It could very well be that there are no good players and everyone is just doing what suits them.
We may find out what this was about when the dust settles and we see what ended up getting accomplished.
My only concern is that a lot of people on this forum have blindly jumped on the Putin band wagon. It might be because they rightfully see how corrupt and controlled Ukraine is and they think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However, that adage does not always hold. The deep state is fully capable of controlling both sides and creating minor conflicts to distract us from what is really happening. All these republican Rinos are a good example of controlling both sides in a political system.
We should always be skeptical in every situation and event. Maybe Putin will end up doing some good in Ukraine and maybe it will push our cause forward. However, until we see concrete evidence of that, I would not take a side and continue to be skeptical personally.
It is also an interesting fact, that Putin has now taken territory under Obama and under Xiden (with Obama almost certainly in the background). Never took any territory under Trump. It makes you think, are they letting him do this. Maybe the deep state leaders are just weak, but with how crazy they are and how little they care for human life, I find it hard to believe that if they wanted to keep Ukraine intact for themselves, they wouldn't resort to insanely unethical measures to get their way. At face value, things don't entirely make sense. Likely means we don't have the whole picture.
Yes. We don't even know what we don't know. Only inklings
Keep yer eyes open fren. I hope we aren't kept in the dark much longer.
My comment was more about the US Media.
Trust THEM at your own peril.
I don't trust the Western media which includes the US media. But I also don't trust Putin's media. Right now, I can only speculate on what might be going on as I don't trust any of the information out there.
rogue. rouge.
The more I learn, the more I realize that the same could be said of Hitler, imHo.