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– Zi0ns_walls 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

The craziest Mandela effect is the Bible verse Isaiah 11:6, it used to read "the lion shall lie down with the lamb"

When I came to the faith years ago this was one of my favourite passages and I remember reading a lot to memorise it.

But now it says "the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb", that's insane.

At first I thought they changed it on my Bible app so looked in my first Bible I got and it has also been changed, I am 100% certain that my physical Bible said lion.

If it helps my Bible said lion in 2011/2012, so it was changed after that time period.

I know it sounds crazy as maybe we just never paid attention to the Bernstein bears stuff back then but this to me really is proof they are fucking about with timelines.

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– Shalimar 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

YES - the LION and the lamb

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

There's a hymn called "Peace in the Valley" written by Thomas A. Dorsey in 1938.

Elvis made the hymn famous when he sung it on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1957 in support of Hungarian refugees.

From Wikipedia-

The song achieved mass coverage during Elvis Presley's third and final appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show on January 6, 1957. Before an audience estimated at 54.6 million viewers, Presley closed the show by dedicating the song to the 250,000 refugees fleeing Hungary after the 24 and 31 October 1956 double-invasion of that country by the Soviet Union. Because he also requested that immediate aid be sent to lessen their plight, the appeal in turn yielded contributions amounting to US$6 million, or the equivalent of US$49.5 million in today's money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_in_the_Valley

In any case, the lyrics contain the verse "And the lion shall lay down by the lamb."

Peace in the Valley

 Oh well, I'm tired and so weary
 But I must go alone
 Till the lord comes and calls, calls me away, oh yes
 Well the morning's so bright
 And the lamp is alight
 And the night, night is as black as the sea, oh yes

 There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
 There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
 There'll be no sadness, no sorrow
 No trouble, trouble I see
 There will be peace in the valley for me, for me

 Well the bear will be gentle
 And the wolves will be tame
 And the lion shall lay down by the lamb, oh yes
 And the beasts from the wild
 Shall be led by a child
 And I'll be changed, changed from this creature that I am, oh yes

 There will be peace in the valley for me, some day
 There will be peace in the valley for me, oh Lord I pray
 There'll be no sadness, no sorrow
 No trouble, trouble I see
 There will be peace in the valley for me, for me 

Here's Elvis singing it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMD8d7oUjxw

Now read the whole verse in Isaiah. As you can see, the lion and wolf are both present.

Isaiah 11:6-7

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Martin Luther used the phrase in a Nobel Prize acceptance speech -

And the lion and the lamb shall lie down together and every man shall sit under his own vine and fig tree and none shall be afraid.

I too remember people saying "lion shall lay down with the lamb" but I didn't read the Bible much before 2007.

This is from Gill's Exposition of the Bible-

Ephraim shall not envy Judah, nor Judah vex Ephraim; the sticks of Joseph and Judah shall be one nor will there ever be any more discord between Jew and Gentile, the lion and the lamb shall lie down together; there will be no more war among the nations, after the battle of Armageddon; and no more persecution, after the slaughter of the witnesses; and this abundance of peace, spiritual and temporal, will be as long as the moon endures, ( Psalms 72:7 ) and all this will issue in eternal peace in the world to come: upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom;

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-9-7.html

Many pastors used this book as a resource to write their sermons, as Gill was a contemporary of Charles Spurgeon.

For this particular example, I can see why people would think this could be an example of the Mandela Effect but not sure on this one.

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– ThePowerOfPrayer 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

This is a stained glass windows in a Los Angeles church which contains all of the animals-

https://files.catbox.moe/rt5eww.jpg

Lion not lying down with lamb, but is posing with the cow/fatling. Also a wolf chilling on the right.

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– Zi0ns_walls 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I know this hymn now its a really beautiful hymn. The Mandela researchers call these little bits where it wasn't changed as a residual. It is strange as even some early church father's also say wolf.

Its like the ones closest to the Bible have wolf but it's the parts that are not in a direct relation but more in a pop culture or secondary position they say lion.

I know it's sound crazy that somehow they went back in time and changed an early Bible and it filtered through time but it couldn't rewrite or erase the lion reference of every branch that came from the biblical stem.

I read the Bible a bit when I was a child but I never read Isaiah. My grandparents were Christian but the faith wasn't really a big part. Even though I read little bits of the Bible I never read Isaiah.

I only got Isaiah and this verse when I came to the faith. This was when I read this verse and it really stuck out to me, i vividly remember reading this passage to memorise. I read the lion and only knew this verse as that.

So when I saw a video in my research of the Mandela effect on this verse I thought I could easily debunk the theory as my Bible says lion. The same Bible once said lion but now it says wolf.

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– SOTUisFUBAR 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

So I don't remember when I first heard of the ME but it's been within the last couple years. As with everything else I've come across, I searched, watched that movie that's pretty much unrelated, and made a connection to CERN's LHC. Which after looking further found I wasn't the only one.

But the LHC first came online 2008 which is when the ME was noted to have started. Then it was shut down for 14 months due to a magnet issue and it's "first run" to have been 2010 - 2013.

Any who, I'd never made the connection until seeing your post but I may have a direct experience, albeit more of a physiological change, or paradigm shift. Granted it could have been organic in it's development over the previous years and be coincidental it took a turn for the worse in the 10 - 13 time frame. But looking back, no other real cause that comes to mind.

So if the ME is an actual thing, or LHC fuckery, then certainly it's possible it manifests differently. I don't know, but it popped to mind last night going to bed and was just checking time frames and it "adds up".

So this change I'm referring to is drinking. I'd always been a drinker but not always drinking, I'd go stretches with no drinking, but also stretches with plenty of drinking, but always with friends and was fairly social. So sometime in that 10 - 13 timeframe, don't recall when but in the latter of the spread, I started drinking constantly, by myself, on the job, driving to/from work, home, started isolating, lost my job due to "position elimination" but suspected it was a nice way for drinking at work. This went on for several years, went off to a rehab and still struggle occasionally but more than not am staying sober.

So not to sound like I'm blaming my alcoholism on ME, but I'd been a drinker up till then, and life was pretty good, was the best job I'd ever had, making good money, just bought a TJ Rubicon. I've never been a status quo, typical guy so there have been a couple other theories I've chalked this off too, including the fact I'm just an alcoholic lol But I did start feeling different in that time as well.

Any who, thanks for the spark, this is way longer than I anticipated, but I've been "Hm"ing last night and all morning.

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– Zi0ns_walls 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Thanks for sharing, around that time I was getting a lot of dreams and visions and it was a very troubling time for me as well.

I thought I was going insane, I was getting visions of satanic sacrifices and then I had a vision/dream of Christ on the cross.

Right then and there I gave my life to Jesus.

Lot of strange happenings around then, I hope and pray all the best for you fren that you got your drinking in control. 🙏🏻

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– Robsea692000 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

According to one of my family's bibles printed in 1882. New York American bible society. It states" the Wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them."

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– Zi0ns_walls 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Exactly that, they all say it now. I know i sound crazy but mine definetly said lion.

There's churches in Britain with the lion verse in stained glass windows, on old gravestones and old pastors sermons that quote it as lion.

Were we all wrong?

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– Zi0ns_walls 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yh, I heard about the Mandela effect but wasn't sure about it all but started to research it and came across a video that mentioned that verse so skeptical me looked it up in my Bible app and then checked the Bible I got when I became a Christian and was astonished.

All the others I cant be sure about but this Im not mistaken, I know you have to take my word for it but to me they are doing something like that.

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