Here’s the thing. Christ left a Church not a book and put his Apostles in charge of spreading his Word. Only later did the Church compile an official Bible from various writings. So when you ask what about all of these things that aren’t in the Bible imagine the early Christians before the Bible? Were they not real Christians?
The amazing thing about the Catholic Church is it’s still here even with all of our truly awful leaders. It still officially teaches the truth even with all of its sinful clergy.
Sorry, but it’s not enough to simply say, “Oh, we’ve spent $4billion on sex crimes/charges against children, but a few ‘bad apples’ cannot convince me my religion is the wrong one.”
Even worse, the United States dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church took out non-recourse loans from Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland from 2005-2007, putting up their overinflated US real estate holdings as collateral.
To understand this claim, look into Peter Sutherland, the father of globalism.
Sutherland was educated at Jesuit-run Gonzaga College and became the youngest Attorney General in Irish history in 1981. He was only 35 years old.
He left public office to work at Allied Irish Banks, quickly rising to chairman. In 1984, Sutherland became the youngest ever European Commisioner (notice a trend?) and parlayed the connections he made in this position to become Director General of GATT and later the World Trade Organization, which he helped found.
Peter Sutherland held the title of Consultor of the Extraordinary Section of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See AKA Financial Advisor to the Vatican while simultaneously serving as chairman of Allied Irish Banks (now AIB Bank), non-executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International, non executive Chairman of the oil company BP, and director of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group.
As we now know now, Goldman Sachs was well aware of the real estate bubble that collapsed in 2008. There's a very good chance Sutherland advised Pope Benedict of this and helped those dioceses get the loans based on their vast real estate holdings.
After the crash in 2008, the Roman Catholic dioceses claimed they were unable to pay their loans back to the Irish banks, and turned over the unused real estate they had put up as collateral on the non-recourse loans, settling their contract in full. The problem was this real estate was now worth pennies on the dollar.
Guess who bailed out the Irish banks, and, ultimately, the Roman Catholic Church? You guessed it, the American taxpayers...
I discovered all of this digging into Raffaelo Follieri, the Italian businessman who dated Anne Hathaway and, in my opinion, was the patsy when all these real estate deals fell through. Interesting ties to Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle as well as Naomi Campbell.
Follieri is an Italian real estate developer best known for the Vati-Con scandal. The scandal included allegations that Follieri misappropriated a $ 50 million investment by Bill Clinton and billionaire Ronald Burkle to buy Roman Catholic churches and monasteries in the United States. After his arrest, prosecutors alleged from court files that Follieri lied about his links with the Vatican.
Follieri also made connections with No Name and threw a birthday party for John McCain in 2006 on a rented yacht in Montenegro.
The McCain-Follieri Love Boat
John McCain has been hammering rival Barack Obama for being little more than a vapid “celebrity” and “elitist.” But The Nation has obtained a photo revealing just how star-struck a straight-talking maverick can become when offered the chance to celebrate his birthday aboard a yacht filled with celebrities–even if one of those celebrity types turns out to be an A-list con man.
The photograph finally confirms reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri, now serving a five year jail term, and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. In the current edition ofVanity Fair, Michael Schnayerson reported that Follieri rented the Celine Ashley for the month of August 2006. Montenegro’s leading daily newspaper, Vijesti, earlier reported that during McCain’s visit in 2006 he celebrated with birthday cocktails and sweets aboard the Celine Ashley yacht.
In the photograph, taken in Montenegro at the end of August, McCain is shown giddily shuffling up the yacht ramp like an old Tim Conway, heading towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis–McCain’s top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of Montenegro.
The yacht that McCain partied on was likely paid for with stolen money.
A few months after McCain’s yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain’s orbit by retaining Rick Davis’s well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain’s presidential bid.
Martin Luther would be proud. He experienced excommunication himself, in exchange for finding the truth!
Maybe his hatred toward the Jews wasn’t so off the cuff, after all… especially given how their rejection of Jesus back in his day is very much the same as today.
Wrong. Whenever the Church spread the Gospel it looked for parts of peoples culture that aligned with the Truth that is written by God on all peoples hearts. Customs that didn’t violate God’s teachings were acceptable.
The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"?
The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Because you don’t understand what a Saint is. A Saint is a person who is in heaven. There is a process to figure this out. Nobody worships them. If you ever asked a friend to pray for you that’s is what praying to a Saint is. Asking someone in heaven to pray for you.
Here’s the thing. Christ left a Church not a book and put his Apostles in charge of spreading his Word. Only later did the Church compile an official Bible from various writings. So when you ask what about all of these things that aren’t in the Bible imagine the early Christians before the Bible? Were they not real Christians?
The amazing thing about the Catholic Church is it’s still here even with all of our truly awful leaders. It still officially teaches the truth even with all of its sinful clergy.
Even worse, the United States dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church took out non-recourse loans from Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland from 2005-2007, putting up their overinflated US real estate holdings as collateral.
To understand this claim, look into Peter Sutherland, the father of globalism.
Sutherland was educated at Jesuit-run Gonzaga College and became the youngest Attorney General in Irish history in 1981. He was only 35 years old. He left public office to work at Allied Irish Banks, quickly rising to chairman. In 1984, Sutherland became the youngest ever European Commisioner (notice a trend?) and parlayed the connections he made in this position to become Director General of GATT and later the World Trade Organization, which he helped found.
Peter Sutherland held the title of Consultor of the Extraordinary Section of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See AKA Financial Advisor to the Vatican while simultaneously serving as chairman of Allied Irish Banks (now AIB Bank), non-executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International, non executive Chairman of the oil company BP, and director of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group.
As we now know now, Goldman Sachs was well aware of the real estate bubble that collapsed in 2008. There's a very good chance Sutherland advised Pope Benedict of this and helped those dioceses get the loans based on their vast real estate holdings.
After the crash in 2008, the Roman Catholic dioceses claimed they were unable to pay their loans back to the Irish banks, and turned over the unused real estate they had put up as collateral on the non-recourse loans, settling their contract in full. The problem was this real estate was now worth pennies on the dollar.
Guess who bailed out the Irish banks, and, ultimately, the Roman Catholic Church? You guessed it, the American taxpayers...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2165584/Peter-Sutherland-globes-grandee.html
https://www.catholicireland.net/popes-financial-advisor-peter-sutherland-dies-aged-71/
https://www.ft.com/content/3029390a-5c68-11e3-931e-00144feabdc0
I discovered all of this digging into Raffaelo Follieri, the Italian businessman who dated Anne Hathaway and, in my opinion, was the patsy when all these real estate deals fell through. Interesting ties to Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle as well as Naomi Campbell.
Follieri is an Italian real estate developer best known for the Vati-Con scandal. The scandal included allegations that Follieri misappropriated a $ 50 million investment by Bill Clinton and billionaire Ronald Burkle to buy Roman Catholic churches and monasteries in the United States. After his arrest, prosecutors alleged from court files that Follieri lied about his links with the Vatican.
https://www.tac-lawna.org/raffaello-follieri-anne-hathaway-and-the-scammer-who-stole-millions-from-bill-clinton/
Follieri also made connections with No Name and threw a birthday party for John McCain in 2006 on a rented yacht in Montenegro.
The McCain-Follieri Love Boat
John McCain has been hammering rival Barack Obama for being little more than a vapid “celebrity” and “elitist.” But The Nation has obtained a photo revealing just how star-struck a straight-talking maverick can become when offered the chance to celebrate his birthday aboard a yacht filled with celebrities–even if one of those celebrity types turns out to be an A-list con man.
The photograph finally confirms reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri, now serving a five year jail term, and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. In the current edition ofVanity Fair, Michael Schnayerson reported that Follieri rented the Celine Ashley for the month of August 2006. Montenegro’s leading daily newspaper, Vijesti, earlier reported that during McCain’s visit in 2006 he celebrated with birthday cocktails and sweets aboard the Celine Ashley yacht.
In the photograph, taken in Montenegro at the end of August, McCain is shown giddily shuffling up the yacht ramp like an old Tim Conway, heading towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis–McCain’s top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of Montenegro.
The yacht that McCain partied on was likely paid for with stolen money.
A few months after McCain’s yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain’s orbit by retaining Rick Davis’s well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain’s presidential bid.
http://exiledonline.com/the-mccain-follieri-bang-boat/
And after Follieri got out of prison, he went into business with Tony Podesta...
https://www.getcompanydetails.com/people/anthony-podesta-xVbTrGqPgDJ-6gg8rrbSA6xFxY0-uk
If you think that’s bad one of Jesus’ hand picked Apostles ratted him out for silver and the first Pope denied he knew Jesus three times.
The first Pope or the first pebble?
Jesus is the rock and the chief cornerstone. Peter is a pebble if you go back to the original Hebrew.
Martin Luther would be proud. He experienced excommunication himself, in exchange for finding the truth!
Maybe his hatred toward the Jews wasn’t so off the cuff, after all… especially given how their rejection of Jesus back in his day is very much the same as today.
Catholic Church teaches paganism under the guise of the Christ.
Catholicism was a mash up of all pagan Roman religions to get everyone to stop arguing.
Wrong. Whenever the Church spread the Gospel it looked for parts of peoples culture that aligned with the Truth that is written by God on all peoples hearts. Customs that didn’t violate God’s teachings were acceptable.
In contrast, Yeshua/Jesus said the complete opposite-
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches tradition is more important than the Word of God, and also claims they alone can properly interpret the Word of God.
Mainstream western Christian culture worships a tree and a fat man dressed in red. Just one examples of many.
Pretty accurate, council of Nicaea blah blah blah except there were godly people around too (monotheists other than Jews)
The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"? The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Because you don’t understand what a Saint is. A Saint is a person who is in heaven. There is a process to figure this out. Nobody worships them. If you ever asked a friend to pray for you that’s is what praying to a Saint is. Asking someone in heaven to pray for you.
This church was built with the bodies of the so-called "saints."
https://unusualplaces.org/sedlec-ossuary-the-gothic-wonder-of-thousands-of-bones/