The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"?
The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
I wish that were true, unfortunately, I know first hand they do not report to the authorities. Some do, and I think it’s perhaps getting better with individual churches than it was in the past, but that hasn’t historically been the case. Do a deep dive, go down the rabbit hole, and then see if you have the same opinion. 🤷🏼♀️ I know more now than I ever wished to about this subject, but now that I know, I can never not know it.
I know for a fact there are going to be cases where an individual Protestant church covers up misdeeds, but I also know what happens when the victims report it to the authorities or even to the regional or national chapters of that denomination.
I haven't seen a single case of a Protestant minister being relocated by his church to another city in order to evade pedophilia charges. And with that being said, if there is, they are just as evil as the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
Hey, don’t go into Catholic pedophilia on my account. 😉🤷🏼♀️ I can assure you my post wasn’t meant in any way to make excuses for them and unfortunately I know far more about the Catholic Churches history of pedophilia, sexual abuse, cover ups, moving people around to escape justice, etc., than I ever wanted to! lol. However, from personal experience/first hand knowledge, I can tell you that you have greatly underestimated the convention of Baptist churches, their pervasive cover ups and “minister musical chairs” to hide pastors, elders, deacons, etc., and the immense influence the associations have on individual churches. It’s just on a much smaller scale b/c compared to the Catholic Church probably all Protestant church associations combined are just a blip on the radar, that’s how far and wide the Catholic Churches reach and size is.
I can’t speak directly to each Protestant affiliation (although, sadly I’m sure I’d find very similar stories if I dug a little) but as for the Baptist, Southern Baptist, and Reformed Southern Baptist conventions, their history of the sexual abuse of children is there as well as their lack of inaction to report these crimes, move pastors around to cover these crimes up, the refusal to call these sins and crimes out, shine a bright light on them, use constant transparency, and condemn these sins/crimes. If they do offer some milk toast explanation or “press release” it’s very on the surface and nothing changes behind the scenes. Some individual churches will take a hard stance, but the associations themselves won’t and churches who are heavily involved in these associations don’t either. They like to give the illusion that their church’s are independent and the association has no control or authority of individual ones but the pressure and influence to follow the narrative is real.
I say all this again, not to excuse the Catholic Church or act like their crimes aren’t vast and horrific, but more to point out that all big associations of churches seem to have their own sordid and disgusting sexual abuse problems it’s just to scale with the CC. People also have to dig more for this information b/c it’s not as “in the public” b/c of how big the CC is comparatively. I hope all of that made sense. I condemn the CC and I condemn all large organized religion due to their tendency towards widespread corruption and crimes against children and the pressure they put on individuals to “follow the narrative/leader”.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Most of those so called torture devices were 19th century inventions to promote anti-Catholic views in circus type freak shows. Kind of like the click bait of the day.
The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"? The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
I wish that were true, unfortunately, I know first hand they do not report to the authorities. Some do, and I think it’s perhaps getting better with individual churches than it was in the past, but that hasn’t historically been the case. Do a deep dive, go down the rabbit hole, and then see if you have the same opinion. 🤷🏼♀️ I know more now than I ever wished to about this subject, but now that I know, I can never not know it.
I have done a deep dive.
I know for a fact there are going to be cases where an individual Protestant church covers up misdeeds, but I also know what happens when the victims report it to the authorities or even to the regional or national chapters of that denomination.
I haven't seen a single case of a Protestant minister being relocated by his church to another city in order to evade pedophilia charges. And with that being said, if there is, they are just as evil as the Roman Catholic hierarchy.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
Hey, don’t go into Catholic pedophilia on my account. 😉🤷🏼♀️ I can assure you my post wasn’t meant in any way to make excuses for them and unfortunately I know far more about the Catholic Churches history of pedophilia, sexual abuse, cover ups, moving people around to escape justice, etc., than I ever wanted to! lol. However, from personal experience/first hand knowledge, I can tell you that you have greatly underestimated the convention of Baptist churches, their pervasive cover ups and “minister musical chairs” to hide pastors, elders, deacons, etc., and the immense influence the associations have on individual churches. It’s just on a much smaller scale b/c compared to the Catholic Church probably all Protestant church associations combined are just a blip on the radar, that’s how far and wide the Catholic Churches reach and size is.
I can’t speak directly to each Protestant affiliation (although, sadly I’m sure I’d find very similar stories if I dug a little) but as for the Baptist, Southern Baptist, and Reformed Southern Baptist conventions, their history of the sexual abuse of children is there as well as their lack of inaction to report these crimes, move pastors around to cover these crimes up, the refusal to call these sins and crimes out, shine a bright light on them, use constant transparency, and condemn these sins/crimes. If they do offer some milk toast explanation or “press release” it’s very on the surface and nothing changes behind the scenes. Some individual churches will take a hard stance, but the associations themselves won’t and churches who are heavily involved in these associations don’t either. They like to give the illusion that their church’s are independent and the association has no control or authority of individual ones but the pressure and influence to follow the narrative is real.
I say all this again, not to excuse the Catholic Church or act like their crimes aren’t vast and horrific, but more to point out that all big associations of churches seem to have their own sordid and disgusting sexual abuse problems it’s just to scale with the CC. People also have to dig more for this information b/c it’s not as “in the public” b/c of how big the CC is comparatively. I hope all of that made sense. I condemn the CC and I condemn all large organized religion due to their tendency towards widespread corruption and crimes against children and the pressure they put on individuals to “follow the narrative/leader”.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Wait. You said no sin will condemn you to hell but then right after say if we make a mistake we confess our sins. Why would you have to do that?
Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Most of those so called torture devices were 19th century inventions to promote anti-Catholic views in circus type freak shows. Kind of like the click bait of the day.