Very roughly - when Rome converted to Christianity it was a bureaucratic decision to consolidate power under the church. They kept pretty much all of the pagan rituals and holidays but slapped Jesus's face on them. They even kept the pantheonic system but renamed them under biblical terms like demons and angels, and then added the saints to replace local deities in newly conquered lands.
There is no "Catholic Church" in the Bible and the Popes have never adhered to the Biblical teachings of Jesus. They use the Christian ideals of sin and forgiveness to enforce obedience and taxation.
With 1700 years of hindsight, it seems like the Catholic Church is just a front for what they themselves would call "satanism" and they could even be likened to what we would call corrupt globalists today.
Jesus was really born on September 11 if the Bible is truly the Word of God, which I believe it is. The Book of Revelation talks about the position of the stars at the time of the birth of Christ and astronomical computer software was used to determine when those conditions could possibly have been met.
Really makes you wonder why George H.W. Bush chose to give this speech to Congress on September 11, 1990, which just so happened to be 11 years before 9/11/2001-
Clearly, no longer can a dictator count on East-West confrontation to stymie concerted United Nations action against aggression. A new partnership of nations has begun.
We stand today at a unique and extraordinary moment. The crisis in the Persian Gulf, as grave as it is, also offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective–a new world order–can emerge: a new era–freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace. An era in which the nations of the world, East and West, North and South, can prosper and live in harmony. A hundred generations have searched for this elusive path to peace, while a thousand wars raged across the span of human endeavor.
Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we’ve known. A world where the rule of law supplants the rule of the jungle. A world in which nations recognize the shared responsibility for freedom and justice. A world where the strong respect the rights of the weak[!]. This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki. He and other leaders from Europe, the Gulf, and around the world understand that how we manage this crisis today could shape the future for generations to come.
The test we face is great, and so are the stakes. This is the first assault on the new world that we seek, the first test of our mettle. Had we not responded to this first provocation with clarity of purpose, if we do not continue to demonstrate our determination, it would be a signal to actual and potential despots around the world. . .
Once again, Americans have stepped forward . . . At this very moment, they serve together with Arabs, Europeans, Asians, and Africans in defense of principle and the dream of a new world order. . . .
I’ve never read or heard this full speech before, only clips of the “New World Order” reference. When you read it through, it actually appears quite beautiful, that countries will unite, that the strong will take care of the weak, etc.. it’s really too bad that the New World Order is expected to be run by a select few, because the concepts of world peace would be so goddamn wonderful. The evil one tends to appear as the “angel of light”. Enter Q….
As much as I agree that the Catholic Church is as evil as it comes…the immaculate conception is referring to The conception of Mary, her birth is 9 months later sept 8. They say she was conceived without sin, hence immaculate conception.
Plus Dec 25 is almost certainly not the actual day of Jesus' birth. It was a way to keep the pagan celebration held that day but rename it as Christmas.
Meanwhile, the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that includes Mary.
Jesus also made it clear Mary is no different than the rest of us on numerous occasions.
Luke 11:14-28 (Verses 14-26 are for context and you can skip to the end for tl;dr)
14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
So Jesus is preaching and is accused of working with Beelzebub after casting out demons. He states the oft-quoted "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." (As an aside, we are witnessing the truth of this statement in real time in the United States...).
After Jesus is done saying this to a crowd trying to tempt him, a woman shouts "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps (teats, nipples) which thou hast sucked." (Note: The Hail Mary prayer contains the same sentiment, does it not?)
What was Jesus's response?
Without dishonoring his mother, He replies, "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."
Luke 8:20-22
20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Jesus obeyed the commandment to honor his father and mother even to His death. It's not that He did not love His mother. Rather, He knew it was important for her not to be worshipped, as that's a violation of the second commandment (the one the Roman Catholics removed and also pretend they don't violate because they "venerate" statues and relics rather than "worship" them), so he continuously pointed people back to the word of God.
John 19:25-28
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Do you think the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Jesus? Incorrect. It refers to the conception of Mary as she had to be free from sun to carry the Son of God.
Oh yeah I be sure to take your advice. You sound REALLY smart. Ha ha ha.
Seriously though, if you don't know what you are talking about, STFU, ok? If you can't respect something enough to know what it is, then seriously shut the fuck up about it, got it?
Whatever the fuck you are trying to be, this is my advice: you need to stop circle jerking your buddy. This is a crippling level of stupidity. Jesus weeps. Here's thing thing - you are so stupid, you may wind up hurting his little weenis with your retard strength.
But I got to hand it to you, you earned a few upvotes, so apparently you have a lot of stupid,easily frightened little dicks to choose from. So go blow away as many faggots as you wish! Just remember, the important part here is for you to go away.
And please, coax your fed army away with your very capable dick beaters.
Or begin to understand the incredible acuteness of your Dunning-Kruger curve and get a clue.
Well, the first mention of the term “catholic church” is in the Apostle’s Creed. “Catholic” is a term that refers to the universality of the church, that no matter where in the world you go to a body of believers in Christ, we are all united together as Christians.
That said, that original meaning has been long lost to time and distortions, as what became the Roman Catholic church essentially pushed the “heaven on earth” idea way too far by saying that the bishop of Rome is the spokesman of God Himself.
Say what you like, but the words of Scripture (the canon that does NOT include the Apocrypha) are the words of God, and those words alone are the true guide to spiritual truth. Anything attempting to mix other religions (I’ve seen people on this site mention about Islam and Christianity sharing the same God, for example, along with some melding Christianity with Eastern thinking) with the Bible and its gospel truth is falsehood. It might sound close-minded, but I can say that it’s the only spiritual way that doesn’t lead to very dark places.
I have nothing against individual Catholics but I have come to learn there is much about Catholicism I was never even taught. It was an open secret.
Whenever one visits a Roman Catholic Church for a wedding, funeral, or what not, one can ask the priest which relics are contained in the altar. And, if one wants to really appear in the know, one can ask if it's a first-class, second-class, or third-class relic.
What's a relic? Relics are sometimes pieces of clothing, but, in many cases, are the actual body parts of the "saints."
Just what are relics and what meaning do they have for disciples of Jesus Christ?
The word relic comes from the Latin relinquo, literally meaning I leave, or I abandon. A relic is a piece of the body of a saint, an item owned or used by the saint, or an object which has been touched to the tomb of a saint. Traditionally, a piece of the body of a saint, especially that of a martyr, may be with the permission of the local ecclesiastical authority used in solemn processions recalling the specific holy person.
It may seem strange that Christianity, which so adheres to the belief in the resurrected body after the final judgment, should attach veneration to body parts of the faithful departed. But as Dom Bernardo Cignitti, O.S.B., once wrote, In a religion as spiritually centered as Christianity, the remains of certain dead are surrounded with special care and veneration. This is because the mortal remains of the deceased are associated in some manner with the holiness of their souls which await reunion with their bodies in the resurrection.
There's actually Roman Catholic churches which not only supposedly contain the finger of St. Joachim or some other saint in the altar, but are actually constructed almost completely with skeletal remains.
If you've never heard of Sedlec Ossuary, prepare to have your mind blown-
You should read church history. You are badly informed as to the creation of the Church. That church is Orthodox, not Catholic, which is anathema to Christ.
Wouldn't the Orthodox Church be considered closer to the original church? As I recall it was Roman branch that split off from the rest of the church to become Catholicism, not the other way around.
The orthodox church is no different than the catholic church, they disagree on maybe two things. But they both worship idols, confess to a priest, pray to saints, all the things the Bible says not to do.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways. Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol. And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available. They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol. Those “maybe two things” are HUGE by the way. Transubstantiation for instance. Ya know, the difference between delusional dogma and a rite. Even if there were only differences they are quite large. The RCC has always been anti-science. The Orthodox church has never been anti-science.
Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available.
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (Apparently our boy doesn't know about this because preach never told him. I wonder why?)
They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol.
First off let me just state that ALL religions are man made. And thus they are full of sin. Only God is pure.
What is important is your relationship with God. How you practice is up to you. I look upon my Catholic Church as a community of people who were raised in similar beliefs. I go for the communal spirit and the opportunity to administer to others.
Boy do people get this wrong.! We do NOT worship saints nor any statutes. We ask saints to intercede for us.
God works through them. As he does through a priest when one goes to confession.
We also pray directly to God/Jesus. And we believe in the Holy Trinity which some religions do not.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
Oh and Just so ya know many of us also do not LIKE Pope Francis.
If you are the Temple of God and Jesus Christ is in you, why do you need intercession?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
Christ's Work of redemption is finished, His Blood was only required once to pay all of the debts of sin. The Bible is quite clear on this. And it's just common sense. If a priest is required to cause this "transubwhatever" and you are required to do it every week, what outcome is obvious? Church business, filthy lucre.
Another little Biblical truth, believers in Jesus Christ are kings and priests already. What do we need priests for?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church slit the throats of those who chose not to believe that once they obtained a copy of the Bible in their native tongues and heard the Word of God for themselves.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice for sins that ended all sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Meanwhile the Catholic theologians attack the Reformers for daring to believe the Word of God and assuming they had to toss out Roman Catholic tradition whenever they found a conflict.
By making these assumptions, Luther, Calvin and Zwingli totally rejected the sacrificial character of Mass, the Roman Canon, the so-called "Private Mass" and the application of Masses for the living and the dead.
Here’s the thing. Christ left a Church not a book and put his Apostles in charge of spreading his Word. Only later did the Church compile an official Bible from various writings. So when you ask what about all of these things that aren’t in the Bible imagine the early Christians before the Bible? Were they not real Christians?
The amazing thing about the Catholic Church is it’s still here even with all of our truly awful leaders. It still officially teaches the truth even with all of its sinful clergy.
Sorry, but it’s not enough to simply say, “Oh, we’ve spent $4billion on sex crimes/charges against children, but a few ‘bad apples’ cannot convince me my religion is the wrong one.”
Even worse, the United States dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church took out non-recourse loans from Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland from 2005-2007, putting up their overinflated US real estate holdings as collateral.
To understand this claim, look into Peter Sutherland, the father of globalism.
Sutherland was educated at Jesuit-run Gonzaga College and became the youngest Attorney General in Irish history in 1981. He was only 35 years old.
He left public office to work at Allied Irish Banks, quickly rising to chairman. In 1984, Sutherland became the youngest ever European Commisioner (notice a trend?) and parlayed the connections he made in this position to become Director General of GATT and later the World Trade Organization, which he helped found.
Peter Sutherland held the title of Consultor of the Extraordinary Section of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See AKA Financial Advisor to the Vatican while simultaneously serving as chairman of Allied Irish Banks (now AIB Bank), non-executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International, non executive Chairman of the oil company BP, and director of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group.
As we now know now, Goldman Sachs was well aware of the real estate bubble that collapsed in 2008. There's a very good chance Sutherland advised Pope Benedict of this and helped those dioceses get the loans based on their vast real estate holdings.
After the crash in 2008, the Roman Catholic dioceses claimed they were unable to pay their loans back to the Irish banks, and turned over the unused real estate they had put up as collateral on the non-recourse loans, settling their contract in full. The problem was this real estate was now worth pennies on the dollar.
Guess who bailed out the Irish banks, and, ultimately, the Roman Catholic Church? You guessed it, the American taxpayers...
I discovered all of this digging into Raffaelo Follieri, the Italian businessman who dated Anne Hathaway and, in my opinion, was the patsy when all these real estate deals fell through. Interesting ties to Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle as well as Naomi Campbell.
Follieri is an Italian real estate developer best known for the Vati-Con scandal. The scandal included allegations that Follieri misappropriated a $ 50 million investment by Bill Clinton and billionaire Ronald Burkle to buy Roman Catholic churches and monasteries in the United States. After his arrest, prosecutors alleged from court files that Follieri lied about his links with the Vatican.
Follieri also made connections with No Name and threw a birthday party for John McCain in 2006 on a rented yacht in Montenegro.
The McCain-Follieri Love Boat
John McCain has been hammering rival Barack Obama for being little more than a vapid “celebrity” and “elitist.” But The Nation has obtained a photo revealing just how star-struck a straight-talking maverick can become when offered the chance to celebrate his birthday aboard a yacht filled with celebrities–even if one of those celebrity types turns out to be an A-list con man.
The photograph finally confirms reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri, now serving a five year jail term, and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. In the current edition ofVanity Fair, Michael Schnayerson reported that Follieri rented the Celine Ashley for the month of August 2006. Montenegro’s leading daily newspaper, Vijesti, earlier reported that during McCain’s visit in 2006 he celebrated with birthday cocktails and sweets aboard the Celine Ashley yacht.
In the photograph, taken in Montenegro at the end of August, McCain is shown giddily shuffling up the yacht ramp like an old Tim Conway, heading towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis–McCain’s top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of Montenegro.
The yacht that McCain partied on was likely paid for with stolen money.
A few months after McCain’s yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain’s orbit by retaining Rick Davis’s well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain’s presidential bid.
Martin Luther would be proud. He experienced excommunication himself, in exchange for finding the truth!
Maybe his hatred toward the Jews wasn’t so off the cuff, after all… especially given how their rejection of Jesus back in his day is very much the same as today.
Wrong. Whenever the Church spread the Gospel it looked for parts of peoples culture that aligned with the Truth that is written by God on all peoples hearts. Customs that didn’t violate God’s teachings were acceptable.
The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"?
The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Because you don’t understand what a Saint is. A Saint is a person who is in heaven. There is a process to figure this out. Nobody worships them. If you ever asked a friend to pray for you that’s is what praying to a Saint is. Asking someone in heaven to pray for you.
I would generally agree with you, however, what we call ‘The Bible’ today is a collection of letters/stories collected together, by men, and deemed as ‘THE’ bible.. by men.
One also can’t just follow exactly what is written in todays Bible without discernment, or there will be blood on the streets.
Ultimately, the Old Testament (in my view) is quite a mess. God seems very… fickle and petty?
However, in the New Testament, when Jesus walked the Earth… his message was clear, meaningful and is more foundational to a good life.
The Bible was written by the Apostles of Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit. You think they just wrote a bunch of letters, threw them in the trash for the catholics to find later?
Ultimately, the Old Testament (in my view) is quite a mess. God seems very… fickle and petty?
If you do a deep dive into Genesis 6 (the Book of Enoch helps with this greatly), a very different picture emerges.
Genesis 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
So the sons of God AKA angels mated with the daughters of men, which resulted in the birth of giants and demigods. This act corrupted the DNA of mankind.
Genesis 6:5-7
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
The effect of man’s sexual immorality was staggering since it altered the race. The offspring of this union between human females and the fallen angelic beings were physical giants. These children were not fully human. They grew enormous in stature with great intellects and were called “men of renown.”
This cohabitation between humans and the spiritual beings was not isolated to a few individuals but became widespread throughout the earth.
This cohabitation was part of the reason God’s heart was grieved with mankind and triggered the flood as judgment to wipe out this corrupted race of humans. In modern science, the biologists would identify what happened to mankind as altering the human DNA.
The DNA of man was changed by this union and some men were no longer fully men. They were a hybrid.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The Bible describes God’s selection of Noah in order to preserve mankind. Noah qualified because he was “perfect” in his generation. This does not mean he was a morally perfect human, but that he was genetically perfect in his lineage. He had perfect human DNA and was not corrupted by the sons of God.
This fickle and petty God, as you refer to him, waited until the last 8 purebloods were alive before He shut the doors of the Ark and destroyed the planet with the Great Flood.
Now, after the Great Flood, we discover there was a revival of the Nephilim. They settled in the land of Canaan after God promised that land to Abraham and his descendants. The tribes God ordered Israel to destroy utterly and completely were not fully human.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice, which was the death of Yeshua AKA Jesus for our sins.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
The Roman Catholic Church says the Eucharist is a sacrifice, but the Bible says there was only one sacrifice. The Bible says the breaking of bread is done in remembrance of Christ and should be practiced at Passover.
1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.
Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic Church goes out of its way to make sure Easter Sunday never falls on the Passover and has done so since 325 AD. The decision was made at the 1st Council of Nicaea to celebrate Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after March 21, or, in other words, to ensure it falls on the Spring Equinox.
It’s an artifact of combining the Jewish Lunar and Catholic Gregorian Solar Calendars. Passover always starts on the first full moon after the first new moon after the spring equinox. Easter is always celebrated on Sunday and because the Last Supper fell on a Thursday night (Friday for the Jews because they start the day at sunset) then Easter is always on the Sunday after Passover.
The Roman Catholic Church was upset some Christian churches still disregard the Council of Nicaea and dare to celebrate Easter on Nisan 15 AKA Passover, or on the Sunday following Passover. So, in 1997, the World Council of Churches, a front organization for bringing the Protestants back under Rome, gathered all of the Christian member denominations together and tried to hash out a common date, which would basically be the Roman Catholic date. Read 10. (e) below and you'll see the importance of the spring equinox to the Roman Catholic Church and their refusal to budge on that.
I won't quote the entire document but you can click on the link below to verify my summary of points 1-6.
Towards a Common Date for Easter
World Council of Churches / Middle East Council of Churches Consultation
Aleppo, Syria
March 5 - 10, 1997
Historical background to the present differences
The New Testament indicates that Christ's death and resurrection were historically associated with the Jewish passover, but the precise details of this association are not clear. According to the synoptic gospels, Jesus' last supper was a passover meal, which would place his death on the day after passover, while according to John his death occurred on the day itself, indeed at the very hour, when the paschal lambs were sacrificed. By the end of the 2nd century some churches celebrated Easter/Pascha on the day of the Jewish passover, regardless of the day of the week, while others celebrated it on the following Sunday. By the 4th century, the former practice had been abandoned practically universally, but differences still remained in the calculation of the date of Easter/Pascha. The ecumenical council held at Nicea in 325 AD determined that Easter/Pascha should be celebrated on the Sunday following the first vernal full moon. Originally passover was celebrated on the first full moon after the March equinox, but in the 3rd century the day of the feast came to be calculated by some Jewish communities without reference to the equinox, thus causing passover to be celebrated twice in some solar years. Nicea tried to avoid this by linking the principles for the dating of Easter/Pascha to the norms for the calculation of passover during Jesus' lifetime.
While certain differences in the mechanics of determining the date of Easter/Pascha remained even after Nicea, which occasionally resulted in local differences, by the 6th century the mode of calculation based on the studies of Alexandrian astronomers and scholars had gained universal acceptance. By the 16th century, however, the discrepancy between this mode of calculation and the observed astronomical data was becoming evident. This led to the calendar change introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582. Since that time, western Christians have come to calculate the date of Easter on the basis of this newer Gregorian calendar, while the eastern churches generally have continued to follow the older Julian calendar. While calendrical changes in some of the Orthodox churches in 1923 affected fixed-date feasts, the calculation of the Easter date remained linked to the Julian Calendar. Our present differences in calculation of the date of Easter thus may be ascribed to differences in the calendars and lunar tables employed rather than to differences in fundamental theological outlook.
In its study of the mechanics of the paschal calculation, the consultation took note of the fact that both the current eastern (Julian) and the current western (Gregorian) calculations diverge in certain respects from the astronomical data as determined by precise scientific calculation. As is well known, the Julian calendar at present diverges from the astronomical by thirteen days; the Gregorian at present does not diverge significantly, though it will in the distant future. Less well known is the fact that both Julian and Gregorian calculations rely upon conventional tables for determining the lunar cycle. For both modes of calculation, these tables at times give results that diverge from the astronomical data.
The continuing relevance of the Council of Nicea
In the course of their deliberations, the participants in the consultation came to a deeper appreciation of the continuing relevance of the Council of Nicea for the present discussion. The decisions of this council, rooted as they are in scripture and tradition, came to be regarded as normative for the whole Church.
(a) Despite differences in the method of calculation, the principles of calculation in the churches of both East and West are based on the norms set forth at Nicea. This fact is of great significance. In the present divided situation, any decision by one church or group of churches to move away from these norms would only increase the difficulty of resolving outstanding differences.
(b) The Council of Nicea's decisions are expressive of the desire for unity. The council's aim was to establish principles, based upon the scriptural data concerning the association of the passion and resurrection of Christ with the passover, which would encourage a single annual observance of Easter/Pascha by all the churches. By fostering unity in this way, the council also demonstrated its concern for the mission of the church in the world. The council was aware that disunity in such a central matter was a cause of scandal.
(c) The Nicene norms affirm the intimate connection between the biblical passover (cf. especially Exod. 12:18, Lev. 23:5, Num. 28:16, Deut. 16:1-2) and the Christian celebration of "Christ our paschal lamb" (1 Cor. 5:7). While the council rejected the principle of dependence on contemporary Jewish reckoning, it did so on the grounds that this had changed and become inaccurate, not because it regarded this connection as unimportant.
(d) In the course of their discussions the consultation also gained a deeper appreciation for the wealth of symbolism which the Nicene norms permit. In the worship of many of the churches, especially in the biblical readings and hymnography of the paschal season, Christians are reminded not only of the important link between the passover and the Christian Easter/Pascha but also of other aspects of salvation history. For example, they are reminded that in Christ's resurrection all creation is renewed. Some early Christian sources thus linked the Genesis account of the seven days of creation with the week of Christ's passion, death and resurrection.
(e) The Council of Nicea also has an enduring lesson for Christians today in its willingness make use of contemporary science in calculating the date of Easter. While the council sought to advance the concrete unity of the churches, it did not itself undertake a detailed regulation of the Easter calculation. Instead it expected the churches to employ the most exact science of the day for calculating the necessary astronomical data (the March equinox and the full moon).
As far as my claims the World Council of Churches is a front organization for bringing Protestant churches back under the control of Rome, here's a Roman Catholic priest telling us that openly-
Very roughly - when Rome converted to Christianity it was a bureaucratic decision to consolidate power under the church. They kept pretty much all of the pagan rituals and holidays but slapped Jesus's face on them. They even kept the pantheonic system but renamed them under biblical terms like demons and angels, and then added the saints to replace local deities in newly conquered lands.
There is no "Catholic Church" in the Bible and the Popes have never adhered to the Biblical teachings of Jesus. They use the Christian ideals of sin and forgiveness to enforce obedience and taxation.
With 1700 years of hindsight, it seems like the Catholic Church is just a front for what they themselves would call "satanism" and they could even be likened to what we would call corrupt globalists today.
The Nag Hammadi is an interesting read.
Find the oldest bible you can aquire and compare to modern ones. Try to comprehend 2k years of that.
Interpretation varies just like a statistic.
Dec 8 the immaculate conception......Birthday Dec 25.
Jesus was really born on September 11 if the Bible is truly the Word of God, which I believe it is. The Book of Revelation talks about the position of the stars at the time of the birth of Christ and astronomical computer software was used to determine when those conditions could possibly have been met.
Really makes you wonder why George H.W. Bush chose to give this speech to Congress on September 11, 1990, which just so happened to be 11 years before 9/11/2001-
https://archive.ph/9bnaV
I hope people understand the importance of this post.
I’ve never read or heard this full speech before, only clips of the “New World Order” reference. When you read it through, it actually appears quite beautiful, that countries will unite, that the strong will take care of the weak, etc.. it’s really too bad that the New World Order is expected to be run by a select few, because the concepts of world peace would be so goddamn wonderful. The evil one tends to appear as the “angel of light”. Enter Q….
GHWB was one of the most evil to have lived. Evil emulates good
As much as I agree that the Catholic Church is as evil as it comes…the immaculate conception is referring to The conception of Mary, her birth is 9 months later sept 8. They say she was conceived without sin, hence immaculate conception.
Plus Dec 25 is almost certainly not the actual day of Jesus' birth. It was a way to keep the pagan celebration held that day but rename it as Christmas.
Meanwhile, the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and that includes Mary.
Jesus also made it clear Mary is no different than the rest of us on numerous occasions.
Luke 11:14-28 (Verses 14-26 are for context and you can skip to the end for tl;dr)
14 And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
So Jesus is preaching and is accused of working with Beelzebub after casting out demons. He states the oft-quoted "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth." (As an aside, we are witnessing the truth of this statement in real time in the United States...).
After Jesus is done saying this to a crowd trying to tempt him, a woman shouts "Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps (teats, nipples) which thou hast sucked." (Note: The Hail Mary prayer contains the same sentiment, does it not?)
What was Jesus's response?
Without dishonoring his mother, He replies, "Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."
Luke 8:20-22
20 And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.
21 And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.
Jesus obeyed the commandment to honor his father and mother even to His death. It's not that He did not love His mother. Rather, He knew it was important for her not to be worshipped, as that's a violation of the second commandment (the one the Roman Catholics removed and also pretend they don't violate because they "venerate" statues and relics rather than "worship" them), so he continuously pointed people back to the word of God.
John 19:25-28
25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Where is that theory? The popular idea is it is Jesus's bday, intrigued
Do you think the Immaculate Conception refers to the conception of Jesus? Incorrect. It refers to the conception of Mary as she had to be free from sun to carry the Son of God.
She didn't need to be free from sin to be chosen by God to carry Jesus. Nobody is free of sin.
This is Mystery Babylon teaching.
The Immaculate Conception refers to the Blessed Mother’s conception. Her birth is typically celebrated September 8.
Oh yeah I be sure to take your advice. You sound REALLY smart. Ha ha ha.
Seriously though, if you don't know what you are talking about, STFU, ok? If you can't respect something enough to know what it is, then seriously shut the fuck up about it, got it?
Whatever the fuck you are trying to be, this is my advice: you need to stop circle jerking your buddy. This is a crippling level of stupidity. Jesus weeps. Here's thing thing - you are so stupid, you may wind up hurting his little weenis with your retard strength.
But I got to hand it to you, you earned a few upvotes, so apparently you have a lot of stupid,easily frightened little dicks to choose from. So go blow away as many faggots as you wish! Just remember, the important part here is for you to go away.
And please, coax your fed army away with your very capable dick beaters.
Or begin to understand the incredible acuteness of your Dunning-Kruger curve and get a clue.
Well, the first mention of the term “catholic church” is in the Apostle’s Creed. “Catholic” is a term that refers to the universality of the church, that no matter where in the world you go to a body of believers in Christ, we are all united together as Christians.
That said, that original meaning has been long lost to time and distortions, as what became the Roman Catholic church essentially pushed the “heaven on earth” idea way too far by saying that the bishop of Rome is the spokesman of God Himself.
Say what you like, but the words of Scripture (the canon that does NOT include the Apocrypha) are the words of God, and those words alone are the true guide to spiritual truth. Anything attempting to mix other religions (I’ve seen people on this site mention about Islam and Christianity sharing the same God, for example, along with some melding Christianity with Eastern thinking) with the Bible and its gospel truth is falsehood. It might sound close-minded, but I can say that it’s the only spiritual way that doesn’t lead to very dark places.
100%
I was born, raised, and educated Roman Catholic.
I have nothing against individual Catholics but I have come to learn there is much about Catholicism I was never even taught. It was an open secret.
Whenever one visits a Roman Catholic Church for a wedding, funeral, or what not, one can ask the priest which relics are contained in the altar. And, if one wants to really appear in the know, one can ask if it's a first-class, second-class, or third-class relic.
What's a relic? Relics are sometimes pieces of clothing, but, in many cases, are the actual body parts of the "saints."
Just what are relics and what meaning do they have for disciples of Jesus Christ?
https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/culture/catholic-contributions/church-teaching-on-relics.html
There's actually Roman Catholic churches which not only supposedly contain the finger of St. Joachim or some other saint in the altar, but are actually constructed almost completely with skeletal remains.
If you've never heard of Sedlec Ossuary, prepare to have your mind blown-
https://unusualplaces.org/sedlec-ossuary-the-gothic-wonder-of-thousands-of-bones/
You should read church history. You are badly informed as to the creation of the Church. That church is Orthodox, not Catholic, which is anathema to Christ.
Wouldn't the Orthodox Church be considered closer to the original church? As I recall it was Roman branch that split off from the rest of the church to become Catholicism, not the other way around.
this
The orthodox church is no different than the catholic church, they disagree on maybe two things. But they both worship idols, confess to a priest, pray to saints, all the things the Bible says not to do.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways. Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol. And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available. They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol. Those “maybe two things” are HUGE by the way. Transubstantiation for instance. Ya know, the difference between delusional dogma and a rite. Even if there were only differences they are quite large. The RCC has always been anti-science. The Orthodox church has never been anti-science.
Lol how ignorant. Orthodox church is very very different in so many ways.
https://www.learnreligions.com/the-great-schism-of-1054-4691893
Confessing to a priest is not forbidden in the Bible lolol.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
And one is confessing to God with the guidance of a priest btw. Because confessing your sins openly to people who may not have vows to handle them properly, or the training to help you with personal growth may not serve the intended purpose but those who seek repentance require a specialist to always be available.
1 Corinthians 3:16 KJV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? (Apparently our boy doesn't know about this because preach never told him. I wonder why?)
They do not worship idols. Icons are not idols. Icons are not worshipped. They commemorate the saints, I’ve never seen any Orthodox pray to the saints and I’ve been to Greek, Romanian, Macedonian and Russian Orthodox church lol.
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First off let me just state that ALL religions are man made. And thus they are full of sin. Only God is pure.
What is important is your relationship with God. How you practice is up to you. I look upon my Catholic Church as a community of people who were raised in similar beliefs. I go for the communal spirit and the opportunity to administer to others.
Boy do people get this wrong.! We do NOT worship saints nor any statutes. We ask saints to intercede for us.
God works through them. As he does through a priest when one goes to confession.
We also pray directly to God/Jesus. And we believe in the Holy Trinity which some religions do not.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
Oh and Just so ya know many of us also do not LIKE Pope Francis.
We ask saints to intercede for us.
If you are the Temple of God and Jesus Christ is in you, why do you need intercession?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ.
Christ's Work of redemption is finished, His Blood was only required once to pay all of the debts of sin. The Bible is quite clear on this. And it's just common sense. If a priest is required to cause this "transubwhatever" and you are required to do it every week, what outcome is obvious? Church business, filthy lucre.
Another little Biblical truth, believers in Jesus Christ are kings and priests already. What do we need priests for?
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church (to my knowledge) is the only church that believes the host and wine become the body and blood of Christ. (Transubstantiation) when the priest calls for the Holy Spirit to come down (epiklesis) . The body and blood are transformed into the body and blood of Christ to transform us when we eat the bread and drink the wine.
The most important thing to remember is the Roman Catholic Church slit the throats of those who chose not to believe that once they obtained a copy of the Bible in their native tongues and heard the Word of God for themselves.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice for sins that ended all sacrifices.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Meanwhile the Catholic theologians attack the Reformers for daring to believe the Word of God and assuming they had to toss out Roman Catholic tradition whenever they found a conflict.
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/eucharistic-theology-in-the-reformation-and-the-council-of-trent-9988
Here’s the thing. Christ left a Church not a book and put his Apostles in charge of spreading his Word. Only later did the Church compile an official Bible from various writings. So when you ask what about all of these things that aren’t in the Bible imagine the early Christians before the Bible? Were they not real Christians?
The amazing thing about the Catholic Church is it’s still here even with all of our truly awful leaders. It still officially teaches the truth even with all of its sinful clergy.
Even worse, the United States dioceses of the Roman Catholic Church took out non-recourse loans from Allied Irish Banks and the Bank of Ireland from 2005-2007, putting up their overinflated US real estate holdings as collateral.
To understand this claim, look into Peter Sutherland, the father of globalism.
Sutherland was educated at Jesuit-run Gonzaga College and became the youngest Attorney General in Irish history in 1981. He was only 35 years old. He left public office to work at Allied Irish Banks, quickly rising to chairman. In 1984, Sutherland became the youngest ever European Commisioner (notice a trend?) and parlayed the connections he made in this position to become Director General of GATT and later the World Trade Organization, which he helped found.
Peter Sutherland held the title of Consultor of the Extraordinary Section of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See AKA Financial Advisor to the Vatican while simultaneously serving as chairman of Allied Irish Banks (now AIB Bank), non-executive Chairman of Goldman Sachs International, non executive Chairman of the oil company BP, and director of the Royal Bank of Scotland Group.
As we now know now, Goldman Sachs was well aware of the real estate bubble that collapsed in 2008. There's a very good chance Sutherland advised Pope Benedict of this and helped those dioceses get the loans based on their vast real estate holdings.
After the crash in 2008, the Roman Catholic dioceses claimed they were unable to pay their loans back to the Irish banks, and turned over the unused real estate they had put up as collateral on the non-recourse loans, settling their contract in full. The problem was this real estate was now worth pennies on the dollar.
Guess who bailed out the Irish banks, and, ultimately, the Roman Catholic Church? You guessed it, the American taxpayers...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2165584/Peter-Sutherland-globes-grandee.html
https://www.catholicireland.net/popes-financial-advisor-peter-sutherland-dies-aged-71/
https://www.ft.com/content/3029390a-5c68-11e3-931e-00144feabdc0
I discovered all of this digging into Raffaelo Follieri, the Italian businessman who dated Anne Hathaway and, in my opinion, was the patsy when all these real estate deals fell through. Interesting ties to Bill Clinton and Ron Burkle as well as Naomi Campbell.
Follieri is an Italian real estate developer best known for the Vati-Con scandal. The scandal included allegations that Follieri misappropriated a $ 50 million investment by Bill Clinton and billionaire Ronald Burkle to buy Roman Catholic churches and monasteries in the United States. After his arrest, prosecutors alleged from court files that Follieri lied about his links with the Vatican.
https://www.tac-lawna.org/raffaello-follieri-anne-hathaway-and-the-scammer-who-stole-millions-from-bill-clinton/
Follieri also made connections with No Name and threw a birthday party for John McCain in 2006 on a rented yacht in Montenegro.
The McCain-Follieri Love Boat
John McCain has been hammering rival Barack Obama for being little more than a vapid “celebrity” and “elitist.” But The Nation has obtained a photo revealing just how star-struck a straight-talking maverick can become when offered the chance to celebrate his birthday aboard a yacht filled with celebrities–even if one of those celebrity types turns out to be an A-list con man.
The photograph finally confirms reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri, now serving a five year jail term, and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. In the current edition ofVanity Fair, Michael Schnayerson reported that Follieri rented the Celine Ashley for the month of August 2006. Montenegro’s leading daily newspaper, Vijesti, earlier reported that during McCain’s visit in 2006 he celebrated with birthday cocktails and sweets aboard the Celine Ashley yacht.
In the photograph, taken in Montenegro at the end of August, McCain is shown giddily shuffling up the yacht ramp like an old Tim Conway, heading towards the smiling Follieri and Hathaway. Just ahead of McCain and shaking hands with Follieri appears to be Rick Davis–McCain’s top aide and now co-manager of his campaign, who accompanied him on the trip and advised the government of Montenegro.
The yacht that McCain partied on was likely paid for with stolen money.
A few months after McCain’s yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain’s orbit by retaining Rick Davis’s well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain’s presidential bid.
http://exiledonline.com/the-mccain-follieri-bang-boat/
And after Follieri got out of prison, he went into business with Tony Podesta...
https://www.getcompanydetails.com/people/anthony-podesta-xVbTrGqPgDJ-6gg8rrbSA6xFxY0-uk
If you think that’s bad one of Jesus’ hand picked Apostles ratted him out for silver and the first Pope denied he knew Jesus three times.
The first Pope or the first pebble?
Jesus is the rock and the chief cornerstone. Peter is a pebble if you go back to the original Hebrew.
Martin Luther would be proud. He experienced excommunication himself, in exchange for finding the truth!
Maybe his hatred toward the Jews wasn’t so off the cuff, after all… especially given how their rejection of Jesus back in his day is very much the same as today.
Catholic Church teaches paganism under the guise of the Christ.
Catholicism was a mash up of all pagan Roman religions to get everyone to stop arguing.
Wrong. Whenever the Church spread the Gospel it looked for parts of peoples culture that aligned with the Truth that is written by God on all peoples hearts. Customs that didn’t violate God’s teachings were acceptable.
In contrast, Yeshua/Jesus said the complete opposite-
Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The Roman Catholic Church teaches tradition is more important than the Word of God, and also claims they alone can properly interpret the Word of God.
Mainstream western Christian culture worships a tree and a fat man dressed in red. Just one examples of many.
Pretty accurate, council of Nicaea blah blah blah except there were godly people around too (monotheists other than Jews)
The Moloch worshipers are still here too. So longevity doesn't bestow much.
The awful leaders? Thats a pretty good indicator that there's a big problem with that church. "officially teaches the truth even with all of it's sinful clergy" lol.
The inquisitions, where official church policy was "torture non-Catholics to death"? The selling of indulgences? Church teaching. The continual defense of the pedos among them? Thoroughly corrupt.
The Catholic Church doesn’t have a monopoly on pedophilia. Unfortunately, The Southern Baptist convention of churches have a history of pedophilia and sexual abuse and covering it up, as do Sovereign Grace Churches, and probably any other “corporation” of churches that you look into. That’s the problem, these are what I believe to be massive “religious institutions/corporations” not churches.
The Bible tells us that “when two or more are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them”. I would say 2 or more believers meeting is “church”. A massive corporation made up of churches is different and I believe the overall corporation can be corrupt and evil but not EVERY church in the corporation is. Kind of like countries, the governments are evil but not necessarily its citizens. The American government is evil right now, has been for a long time, but We the People are not.
I don't disagree with this.
The main difference is when a Southern Baptist gets caught committing pedophilia, they get turned over to the local authorities and punished for their crimes. In the case of the Roman Catholic Church, the offending priest often gets a one way ticket to another city or even a totally different country, and, historically, has continued the abuse.
No monopolies, true. And a Baptist molester certainly would fight to hide their own crimes....But the Baptist Church doesn't work to avoid criminal sanctions of pedos. The Catholic Church has continually hidden, moved and protected its molesters, moving them to other areas, thwarting criminal justice by sending them for "treatment" etc at monastic facilities, etc...
BAptist churches have always been far more grass-roots, bottom-up, and controlled locally by the laypeople of the individual church. The So Bapt Convention, as compromised as it has become re doctrine, doesn't save a pedo pastor by hustling him off to another Baptist church somewhere, blocking imposition of criminal prosecutions.
If there was time, I'd love to delve into real Catholic doctrinal reasons for their behavior, but it boils down to the belief that they aren't answerable to law, they are universal and that Earthly governments don't have standing to impose their laws upon the Catholic Church or it's priests and potentates. Which exacerbates their problem with pedos, who get access to kids and protection from the RCC. It DRAWS pedos to it's ranks, unfortunately. If you want the protection and access, and are OK with becoming a minister to do it, you sure as heck don't go to Baptist Seminary to achieve it.
That wasn’t what the inquisition was. It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches. The inquisition was a formal process to investigate accused heretics not some crazy torture policy like the Protestants like to believe.
Indulgences are a form of temporal punishments like paying fines or taxes on sinful behavior to fund things like schools, hospitals, etc. It doesn’t allow you to sin since a mortal sin will condemn you to hell.
What teaching defends pedos? Are you saying there are pedos in the Church? Absolutely and it’s a disgrace but there is no teaching allowing it. And unlike most Protestants the teachings on faith and morals doesn’t change to whatever is fashionable.
Have you read Foxe's Book of Martyrs? That's what the Inquisition was, whether you believe it or not.
Do you know the Inquisitors were known to dig up the bones of those who dared translate the Word of God into their native tongues and burn them if they evaded capture during their lifetime?
Do you know the Jesuit co-coadjutor Guy Fawkes tried to blow up King James and the entire British Parliament because he dared translate the Word of God into English?
And you're referring to the Puritans when you bring up "It was the Protestants that were running around burning witches." The Puritans were an offshoot of the Anglican church, which essentially shared the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church, with the only exception being Henry VIII and his successors replaced the Pope. Here, we see the dangers of concentrating that much spiritual power into one man's hands, whether it be the Pope, the King of England, or Cotton Mather.
And people who were now able to read the Word of God in their native tongues determined the Roman Catholic Church was lying about many things. These "heretics" were tortured and burned at the stake by the Inquistion for the crime of refusing to admit a piece of bread is magically transformed into God when a Latin incantation is spoken (this was pre-Vatican II, of course). They dared to say communion is simply a remembrance of Christ and should occur on the Passover, and that Jesus was sacrificed once and only once. For that crime, they either were burnt at the stake, or, if they recanted, their throats were then slit so they couldn't change their minds.
Also, no sin will condemn you to hell. Jesus died for them all. It's up to us to accept the free gift of salvation and go and sin no more. And when we do make mistakes, we confess our sins, not to a mortal priest, but to Jesus Himself.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You're ridiculous. That's EXACTLY what the Inquisitions were about. Catholic Church even used their facilities to operate dungeons and torture chambers. Iron Maiden, anyone?
Indulgences? Pay "x" to get your scummy Dad out of purgatory....
Because you don’t understand what a Saint is. A Saint is a person who is in heaven. There is a process to figure this out. Nobody worships them. If you ever asked a friend to pray for you that’s is what praying to a Saint is. Asking someone in heaven to pray for you.
This church was built with the bodies of the so-called "saints."
https://unusualplaces.org/sedlec-ossuary-the-gothic-wonder-of-thousands-of-bones/
You should get your doctrine from the Bible, not men.
I would generally agree with you, however, what we call ‘The Bible’ today is a collection of letters/stories collected together, by men, and deemed as ‘THE’ bible.. by men.
One also can’t just follow exactly what is written in todays Bible without discernment, or there will be blood on the streets.
Ultimately, the Old Testament (in my view) is quite a mess. God seems very… fickle and petty?
However, in the New Testament, when Jesus walked the Earth… his message was clear, meaningful and is more foundational to a good life.
My approach;
Understand that Christ is the Way, The Truth and The Life.
Thus to follow Christ is to live your life on The Way, which is the path of Truth.
Or to seek Christ in all things is to seek Truth in all things.
And that to judge but only with righteous weights and measures.
The Bible was written by the Apostles of Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit. You think they just wrote a bunch of letters, threw them in the trash for the catholics to find later?
If you do a deep dive into Genesis 6 (the Book of Enoch helps with this greatly), a very different picture emerges.
Genesis 6:1-4
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
So the sons of God AKA angels mated with the daughters of men, which resulted in the birth of giants and demigods. This act corrupted the DNA of mankind.
Genesis 6:5-7
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
https://www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/DaysNoah.htm
Genesis 6:8-9
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
The Bible describes God’s selection of Noah in order to preserve mankind. Noah qualified because he was “perfect” in his generation. This does not mean he was a morally perfect human, but that he was genetically perfect in his lineage. He had perfect human DNA and was not corrupted by the sons of God.
This fickle and petty God, as you refer to him, waited until the last 8 purebloods were alive before He shut the doors of the Ark and destroyed the planet with the Great Flood.
Now, after the Great Flood, we discover there was a revival of the Nephilim. They settled in the land of Canaan after God promised that land to Abraham and his descendants. The tribes God ordered Israel to destroy utterly and completely were not fully human.
The Bible exists because the Catholic church assembled it.
The Bible says there was one sacrifice, which was the death of Yeshua AKA Jesus for our sins.
Hebrews 10:11-13
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
The Roman Catholic Church says the Eucharist is a sacrifice, but the Bible says there was only one sacrifice. The Bible says the breaking of bread is done in remembrance of Christ and should be practiced at Passover.
1414 As sacrifice, the Eucharist is also offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead and to obtain spiritual or temporal benefits from God.
https://www.catechismonline.com/christian-ministry-2/eucharist
Meanwhile, the Roman Catholic Church goes out of its way to make sure Easter Sunday never falls on the Passover and has done so since 325 AD. The decision was made at the 1st Council of Nicaea to celebrate Easter on the first Sunday after the first full moon after March 21, or, in other words, to ensure it falls on the Spring Equinox.
It’s an artifact of combining the Jewish Lunar and Catholic Gregorian Solar Calendars. Passover always starts on the first full moon after the first new moon after the spring equinox. Easter is always celebrated on Sunday and because the Last Supper fell on a Thursday night (Friday for the Jews because they start the day at sunset) then Easter is always on the Sunday after Passover.
That's the Fact Check version, friend.
The Roman Catholic Church was upset some Christian churches still disregard the Council of Nicaea and dare to celebrate Easter on Nisan 15 AKA Passover, or on the Sunday following Passover. So, in 1997, the World Council of Churches, a front organization for bringing the Protestants back under Rome, gathered all of the Christian member denominations together and tried to hash out a common date, which would basically be the Roman Catholic date. Read 10. (e) below and you'll see the importance of the spring equinox to the Roman Catholic Church and their refusal to budge on that.
I won't quote the entire document but you can click on the link below to verify my summary of points 1-6.
Towards a Common Date for Easter
World Council of Churches / Middle East Council of Churches Consultation
Aleppo, Syria
March 5 - 10, 1997
Historical background to the present differences
The New Testament indicates that Christ's death and resurrection were historically associated with the Jewish passover, but the precise details of this association are not clear. According to the synoptic gospels, Jesus' last supper was a passover meal, which would place his death on the day after passover, while according to John his death occurred on the day itself, indeed at the very hour, when the paschal lambs were sacrificed. By the end of the 2nd century some churches celebrated Easter/Pascha on the day of the Jewish passover, regardless of the day of the week, while others celebrated it on the following Sunday. By the 4th century, the former practice had been abandoned practically universally, but differences still remained in the calculation of the date of Easter/Pascha. The ecumenical council held at Nicea in 325 AD determined that Easter/Pascha should be celebrated on the Sunday following the first vernal full moon. Originally passover was celebrated on the first full moon after the March equinox, but in the 3rd century the day of the feast came to be calculated by some Jewish communities without reference to the equinox, thus causing passover to be celebrated twice in some solar years. Nicea tried to avoid this by linking the principles for the dating of Easter/Pascha to the norms for the calculation of passover during Jesus' lifetime.
While certain differences in the mechanics of determining the date of Easter/Pascha remained even after Nicea, which occasionally resulted in local differences, by the 6th century the mode of calculation based on the studies of Alexandrian astronomers and scholars had gained universal acceptance. By the 16th century, however, the discrepancy between this mode of calculation and the observed astronomical data was becoming evident. This led to the calendar change introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582. Since that time, western Christians have come to calculate the date of Easter on the basis of this newer Gregorian calendar, while the eastern churches generally have continued to follow the older Julian calendar. While calendrical changes in some of the Orthodox churches in 1923 affected fixed-date feasts, the calculation of the Easter date remained linked to the Julian Calendar. Our present differences in calculation of the date of Easter thus may be ascribed to differences in the calendars and lunar tables employed rather than to differences in fundamental theological outlook.
In its study of the mechanics of the paschal calculation, the consultation took note of the fact that both the current eastern (Julian) and the current western (Gregorian) calculations diverge in certain respects from the astronomical data as determined by precise scientific calculation. As is well known, the Julian calendar at present diverges from the astronomical by thirteen days; the Gregorian at present does not diverge significantly, though it will in the distant future. Less well known is the fact that both Julian and Gregorian calculations rely upon conventional tables for determining the lunar cycle. For both modes of calculation, these tables at times give results that diverge from the astronomical data.
The continuing relevance of the Council of Nicea
(a) Despite differences in the method of calculation, the principles of calculation in the churches of both East and West are based on the norms set forth at Nicea. This fact is of great significance. In the present divided situation, any decision by one church or group of churches to move away from these norms would only increase the difficulty of resolving outstanding differences.
(b) The Council of Nicea's decisions are expressive of the desire for unity. The council's aim was to establish principles, based upon the scriptural data concerning the association of the passion and resurrection of Christ with the passover, which would encourage a single annual observance of Easter/Pascha by all the churches. By fostering unity in this way, the council also demonstrated its concern for the mission of the church in the world. The council was aware that disunity in such a central matter was a cause of scandal.
(c) The Nicene norms affirm the intimate connection between the biblical passover (cf. especially Exod. 12:18, Lev. 23:5, Num. 28:16, Deut. 16:1-2) and the Christian celebration of "Christ our paschal lamb" (1 Cor. 5:7). While the council rejected the principle of dependence on contemporary Jewish reckoning, it did so on the grounds that this had changed and become inaccurate, not because it regarded this connection as unimportant.
(d) In the course of their discussions the consultation also gained a deeper appreciation for the wealth of symbolism which the Nicene norms permit. In the worship of many of the churches, especially in the biblical readings and hymnography of the paschal season, Christians are reminded not only of the important link between the passover and the Christian Easter/Pascha but also of other aspects of salvation history. For example, they are reminded that in Christ's resurrection all creation is renewed. Some early Christian sources thus linked the Genesis account of the seven days of creation with the week of Christ's passion, death and resurrection.
(e) The Council of Nicea also has an enduring lesson for Christians today in its willingness make use of contemporary science in calculating the date of Easter. While the council sought to advance the concrete unity of the churches, it did not itself undertake a detailed regulation of the Easter calculation. Instead it expected the churches to employ the most exact science of the day for calculating the necessary astronomical data (the March equinox and the full moon).
https://www.oikoumene.org/resources/documents/towards-a-common-date-for-easter
As far as my claims the World Council of Churches is a front organization for bringing Protestant churches back under the control of Rome, here's a Roman Catholic priest telling us that openly-
https://catholiccourier.com/articles/catholic-church-not-full-member-of-wcc-but-works-in-partnership/
Orthodox is original church. Roman Catholics broke off from the true church. Of course at the time orthodox didn’t have to call themselves orthodox.