I thought Clinton supposedly killed the national debt in the 90s
He "balanced the budget" (which is to say, he didn't go MORE into debt) for one year (maybe two?). The debt remained. It was around $2T at the time. He also managed to completely destroy the economy to do it. The housing market crash of 2008 was fallout from his economic policies. It wasn't just Clinton though, it was Newt Gingrich as well.
The whole lot of them, all complicit.
There is no problem with asking questions. Most people on this board do not know a lot of the information I just posted. Even if they did, there would still be no problem asking questions. That is literally all everyone does all day long. That or answer them. :)
I also edited the post above, so I may have added more stuff after you read it, though I'm not sure any of it was overly important. It was minor editions.
That's fine. I did notice in your one post, that the president has the power to revoke BIS immunity, etc. when I looked at the link on the U.S. versions of the law.
Also, I wonder if that "immunity" would hold up in court anyway, honestly...
The President of the BIS has the power to allow agents of the BIS to be subject to a case brought in other countries, if he/they wish. It is not compulsory.
My post made clear that all of the countries agree that the BIS has the power. If a country did not agree, i.e. if they had not passed laws that they agreed with the power of the BIS, then it would not hold up in that country's courts because they did not agree that the BIS had those powers of immunity within their jurisdiction.
This whole thing is about jurisdiction. These laws act as treaties. They allow the BIS to do whatever it wants. They give the BIS effective jurisdiction, or perhaps a better way of saying it is, no American court has jurisdiction over them. Any case brought to court would be tossed out because no court has jurisdiction. Try bringing a case against state police to a federal court and see what happens. The federal government has no say over state police matters. Therefore their courts have no jurisdiction to hear the case. You would have to file with the appropriate jurisdiction before a legal body will even read your suit.
In the case of any suit filed against the BIS or any agent of the BIS, it wouldn't have to "stand up in court" because no case can ever be brought by our laws (included as links in the post), and no court can have jurisdiction to hear the case, unless the Rulers of the BIS allow it.
For the purposes of this subchapter, the term "international organization" means a public international organization in which the United States participates pursuant to any treaty or under the authority of any Act of Congress authorizing such participation or making an appropriation for such participation, and which shall have been designated by the President through appropriate Executive order as being entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided in this subchapter. The President shall be authorized, in the light of the functions performed by any such international organization, by appropriate Executive order to withhold or withdraw from any such organization or its officers or employees any of the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided for in this subchapter (including the amendments made by this subchapter) or to condition or limit the enjoyment by any such organization or its officers or employees of any such privilege, exemption, or immunity. The President shall be authorized, if in his judgment such action should be justified by reason of the abuse by an international organization or its officers and employees of the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided in this subchapter or for any other reason, at any time to revoke the designation of any international organization under this section, whereupon the international organization in question shall cease to be classed as an international organization for the purposes of this subchapter.
I'm fairly certain this implies that the US president can issue an EO revoking immunity for the organization under certain circomstances.
Jurisdiction
Pretty sure that could be challenged by SOCTUS on a constitutional basis.
Again, not trying to be a dick here, just pointing out what I see, lol.
I thought Clinton supposedly killed the national debt in the 90s, only for GWB to bring it back to find iraq.
By the way, thanks for the info, not trying to be a dick here, just trying to figure stuff out
He "balanced the budget" (which is to say, he didn't go MORE into debt) for one year (maybe two?). The debt remained. It was around $2T at the time. He also managed to completely destroy the economy to do it. The housing market crash of 2008 was fallout from his economic policies. It wasn't just Clinton though, it was Newt Gingrich as well.
The whole lot of them, all complicit.
There is no problem with asking questions. Most people on this board do not know a lot of the information I just posted. Even if they did, there would still be no problem asking questions. That is literally all everyone does all day long. That or answer them. :)
I also edited the post above, so I may have added more stuff after you read it, though I'm not sure any of it was overly important. It was minor editions.
That's fine. I did notice in your one post, that the president has the power to revoke BIS immunity, etc. when I looked at the link on the U.S. versions of the law.
Also, I wonder if that "immunity" would hold up in court anyway, honestly...
The President of the BIS has the power to allow agents of the BIS to be subject to a case brought in other countries, if he/they wish. It is not compulsory.
My post made clear that all of the countries agree that the BIS has the power. If a country did not agree, i.e. if they had not passed laws that they agreed with the power of the BIS, then it would not hold up in that country's courts because they did not agree that the BIS had those powers of immunity within their jurisdiction.
This whole thing is about jurisdiction. These laws act as treaties. They allow the BIS to do whatever it wants. They give the BIS effective jurisdiction, or perhaps a better way of saying it is, no American court has jurisdiction over them. Any case brought to court would be tossed out because no court has jurisdiction. Try bringing a case against state police to a federal court and see what happens. The federal government has no say over state police matters. Therefore their courts have no jurisdiction to hear the case. You would have to file with the appropriate jurisdiction before a legal body will even read your suit.
In the case of any suit filed against the BIS or any agent of the BIS, it wouldn't have to "stand up in court" because no case can ever be brought by our laws (included as links in the post), and no court can have jurisdiction to hear the case, unless the Rulers of the BIS allow it.
from https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title22/chapter7/subchapter18&edition=prelim which you linked (emphasis mine):
I'm fairly certain this implies that the US president can issue an EO revoking immunity for the organization under certain circomstances.
Pretty sure that could be challenged by SOCTUS on a constitutional basis.
Again, not trying to be a dick here, just pointing out what I see, lol.