Yeah, I thought your simplification was hysterically bad, so I gave another one for fun. Sorry, I included a winky ;) but I guess that's a bit too oldschool now that we have real emoticon glyphs.
The internet says it's actually the smaller wavelength (higher energy) blue light scattering that makes the sky and distant mountains blue. This also makes the sunset sun red because the longer red wavelengths still make it straight thru to your eyes, even when traversing more atmosphere at the low angle of sunset. As far as I know, gravity plays no part even though it supposedly can act as a lense for distant stars.
I suspect the blue tint in the cloudy pic may simply be bleeding from all the white light reflected by the clouds.
The internet says it's actually the smaller wavelength (higher energy) blue light scattering that makes the sky and distant mountains blue.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Diffuse scattering can occur when light gets caught up in a fine cloud of water vapor. This is why fog is usually "well lit" and there are no shadows, because water acts as a bajillion tiny mirrors bouncing the light all around. Red gets caught more easily in the cloud while blue can wiggle its way out and get stuck "further away" from the light source as it interacts with ever more vapor droplets.
As far as I know, gravity plays no part even though it supposedly can act as a lense for distant stars.
Gravity does effect light, but not because light has mass. Instead, light bends around the "well" made by gravity as it bends space/time. Because light is so intertwined with the nature of space and time, gravity pulls on it, but light will correct itself in a vacuum. If it encounters an atmosphere, then it gets absorbed and scatters.
It's kinda backwards. Neither red nor blue light "fall" because neither have mass, but because blue is "faster", which is that they have more energy (higher frequency) which some simplify to "spin/momentum" it makes a wider arc as it navigates around a massive body.
I'm still figuring this out myself, but while I have the general theory down in my head thanks to all the diagrams and demonstrations I've seen, the terms, names, and semantics still tangle me up.
Dense water vapor scatters ALL light with reflection and refraction, that's why clouds are white. But blue light still scatters even in air with little water vapor, which is why the sky is still blue and so are the distant mountains on the clearest dry days. It has to do with the wavelength being closer to the size of the air molecules, but I'd have to read this to reason out why.
The easiest simplification is the prism diagram. Blue light bends the most at the points of refraction so that would tend to scatter it more.
As for gravity bending light, I have no way to test it, so I await a time when we can believe what [they] tell us. But even so, the bend angle is so tiny due to the immense speed of light that you would only see it with far away stars bending light from even further sources of light.
Rotational momentum you can test for your self with a gyroscope. Get it spinning in your hand and try to move it around. You can feel it resisting when you move it in a way that would change the axis of the spin. But I don't know of any spin associated with light. Are you thinking of polarization?
Anyhow, physics is fun stuff, at least the parts you can test yourself, so thanks for the chat. And sorry for the distraction. I really enjoy your comms decode tutorials. You have a gift for describing that stuff in concise easy to digest prose. If I ever get to the point where I make a decode that holds up over time and scrutiny you will deserve most of the credit.
This is how I visualize light "wiggling" at its individual frequency.
Those "humps" when everything seems to "slow down" marks the resonant period of the light wave, when all partitions of wavelengths converge in their peaks.
What the gif doesn't represent, how I see it, is that the circles are rotating as well. Consider it analogous to a Lorentz Force with magnetism, but with light instead.
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it in my mind.
White light has all the "circles" combined. All the wavelengths present at once.
If you can manage to extract a circle, you isolate its color wavelength.
The light maintains its own momentum, which lends itself to different physical properties. Blue would be the smallest circle, because it geometrically moves the most relative to other light forms (tighter wavelength). Red is the outer circle, which others "ride" on in a sense, but only because its wider wavelength is more pronounced conceptually. It's hard to say if light wavelengths stick together simply because they were discharged with the same vector, or there is something else keeping the frequencies together.
When the wavelengths interact with a prism, a very dense material, the blue wavelength can wiggle between the cracks in the material better than the red. It's not that it's "smaller" or "faster" but that the "tread on the tire" is finer so it is more "grippy" as it pertains to wiggling through any obstructions. All the wavelengths take up the same "space" but their stability in that same nugget of space depends on their frequency.
Like a bullet, the more erratic the internal forces, the less likely it is to diverge from its trajectory.
How I see it with vapor, which might contradict established theorems, is that a white light hits a prism, the blue escapes with the least amount of influence from the vapor molecules while the red gets scooted around more in the matter. Blue goes on past the vapor and gets caught in another and another, so on and so forth, until it escapes at odd angles and heads towards your eye. The red does so much earlier, and so the splitting results in red light being visually closer to the light source while the blue further away, as demonstrated in a sunset. The only reason a sunset scatters the light as it does is because as the sun crests the horizon the atmosphere relative to the light source is the most dense as compared to the middle of the day where the sun is directly overhead. The sky is default blue, because blue makes more bounces than red, and so red light doesn't proliferate as much before all its energy is converted into heat.
I could be wrong, but at least now you have some idea what visuals are bouncing around in my mind.
Yeah, I thought your simplification was hysterically bad, so I gave another one for fun. Sorry, I included a winky ;) but I guess that's a bit too oldschool now that we have real emoticon glyphs.
The internet says it's actually the smaller wavelength (higher energy) blue light scattering that makes the sky and distant mountains blue. This also makes the sunset sun red because the longer red wavelengths still make it straight thru to your eyes, even when traversing more atmosphere at the low angle of sunset. As far as I know, gravity plays no part even though it supposedly can act as a lense for distant stars.
I suspect the blue tint in the cloudy pic may simply be bleeding from all the white light reflected by the clouds.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Diffuse scattering can occur when light gets caught up in a fine cloud of water vapor. This is why fog is usually "well lit" and there are no shadows, because water acts as a bajillion tiny mirrors bouncing the light all around. Red gets caught more easily in the cloud while blue can wiggle its way out and get stuck "further away" from the light source as it interacts with ever more vapor droplets.
Gravity does effect light, but not because light has mass. Instead, light bends around the "well" made by gravity as it bends space/time. Because light is so intertwined with the nature of space and time, gravity pulls on it, but light will correct itself in a vacuum. If it encounters an atmosphere, then it gets absorbed and scatters.
https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2019/09/how-does-gravity-affect-photons-that-is-bend-light-if-photons-have-no-mass
It's kinda backwards. Neither red nor blue light "fall" because neither have mass, but because blue is "faster", which is that they have more energy (higher frequency) which some simplify to "spin/momentum" it makes a wider arc as it navigates around a massive body.
I'm still figuring this out myself, but while I have the general theory down in my head thanks to all the diagrams and demonstrations I've seen, the terms, names, and semantics still tangle me up.
Dense water vapor scatters ALL light with reflection and refraction, that's why clouds are white. But blue light still scatters even in air with little water vapor, which is why the sky is still blue and so are the distant mountains on the clearest dry days. It has to do with the wavelength being closer to the size of the air molecules, but I'd have to read this to reason out why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
The easiest simplification is the prism diagram. Blue light bends the most at the points of refraction so that would tend to scatter it more.
As for gravity bending light, I have no way to test it, so I await a time when we can believe what [they] tell us. But even so, the bend angle is so tiny due to the immense speed of light that you would only see it with far away stars bending light from even further sources of light.
Rotational momentum you can test for your self with a gyroscope. Get it spinning in your hand and try to move it around. You can feel it resisting when you move it in a way that would change the axis of the spin. But I don't know of any spin associated with light. Are you thinking of polarization?
Anyhow, physics is fun stuff, at least the parts you can test yourself, so thanks for the chat. And sorry for the distraction. I really enjoy your comms decode tutorials. You have a gift for describing that stuff in concise easy to digest prose. If I ever get to the point where I make a decode that holds up over time and scrutiny you will deserve most of the credit.
This is how I visualize light "wiggling" at its individual frequency.
Those "humps" when everything seems to "slow down" marks the resonant period of the light wave, when all partitions of wavelengths converge in their peaks.
What the gif doesn't represent, how I see it, is that the circles are rotating as well. Consider it analogous to a Lorentz Force with magnetism, but with light instead.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/styles/os_files_xlarge/public/gmwgroup/files/lorenzforce-fig2.jpg?m=1540326425&itok=_KSb3SgM
Each circle would be its own "color" on the light spectrum.
https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/qP1_h_MKsrmAlx_MK-hDOasJXPY=/768x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():format(webp)/the-visible-light-spectrum-2699036_FINAL2-c0b0ee6f82764efdb62a1af9b9525050.png
I could be wrong, but that's how I see it in my mind.
White light has all the "circles" combined. All the wavelengths present at once.
If you can manage to extract a circle, you isolate its color wavelength.
The light maintains its own momentum, which lends itself to different physical properties. Blue would be the smallest circle, because it geometrically moves the most relative to other light forms (tighter wavelength). Red is the outer circle, which others "ride" on in a sense, but only because its wider wavelength is more pronounced conceptually. It's hard to say if light wavelengths stick together simply because they were discharged with the same vector, or there is something else keeping the frequencies together.
When the wavelengths interact with a prism, a very dense material, the blue wavelength can wiggle between the cracks in the material better than the red. It's not that it's "smaller" or "faster" but that the "tread on the tire" is finer so it is more "grippy" as it pertains to wiggling through any obstructions. All the wavelengths take up the same "space" but their stability in that same nugget of space depends on their frequency.
Like a bullet, the more erratic the internal forces, the less likely it is to diverge from its trajectory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum_of_light
How I see it with vapor, which might contradict established theorems, is that a white light hits a prism, the blue escapes with the least amount of influence from the vapor molecules while the red gets scooted around more in the matter. Blue goes on past the vapor and gets caught in another and another, so on and so forth, until it escapes at odd angles and heads towards your eye. The red does so much earlier, and so the splitting results in red light being visually closer to the light source while the blue further away, as demonstrated in a sunset. The only reason a sunset scatters the light as it does is because as the sun crests the horizon the atmosphere relative to the light source is the most dense as compared to the middle of the day where the sun is directly overhead. The sky is default blue, because blue makes more bounces than red, and so red light doesn't proliferate as much before all its energy is converted into heat.
I could be wrong, but at least now you have some idea what visuals are bouncing around in my mind.
Nice chat.
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