Let's all be clear on one thing... if... IF... the US military directly confronts the Russian military based on the Russian performance in Ukraine so far with bio/chem/nukes completely off the table Russia would lose BADLY. Sure the Russians have been accomplishing their goals and inflicting plenty of casualties but they've been taking hella casualties to do it and taking way more time than anyone expected. One thing stands out loud and clear. Russia is no longer a 1st world military. Their core small force is still 1st world but the bulk of their troops are poorly trained conscripts with shitty older equipment. In a real war their true 1st world army would be outnumbered and outgunned.
To me this is the scary part because when they start to lose they will turn to nukes and chem warfare to make up the difference and all hell will break lose.
I'm confused by a lot of the posts in this thread because a few months ago everyone was so excited about Putin taking out suspicious labs, possibly freeing children and women in sex trade.
The mood was so positive and certain, a lot of digging was done and theories abound.
So if the deep state can win immediately against Russia - that means Russia isn't really a white hat harming the deepstate - otherwise they would have already stopped Russia if it was true Ukraine is the head of the NWO and deep state assets.
It also means that our military is powerful, but then do the white hats really have control? If they are that strong and going against the allies of the white hats?
Is devolution really at play if we see US involvement in a war against Russia/Putin?
That would put to rest almost every theory floating on the boards right now about Putin accelerating white hat plans to uproot the NWO and deep state from Ukraine. And where would devolution be at this point? White hats and Trump in control but they will just let US get involved?
What, they'd let it happen for optics?
I can't keep up, would love some help and look forward to seeing our autists straighten this out.
I actually left this board for about a month because I got so sick of all the pro-Russia BS. Everyone grabbed hold of that narrative that Russia was the good guys and ran with it. They had no evidence other than assumptions they made up out of whole cloth by interpretations of Q posts that were a HUGE stretch.
I'm not sure what the truth really is. One thing I'm totally sure of is Putin is just as bad if not worse than(in some ways) the cabal. He might be working as a white-hat but if he was then wouldn't we be seeing the evidence? Wouldn't he have pictures of the human trafficking sites, the bio labs, etc etc. What he's just gathering it and isn't going to share anything with anyone?
The sad truth is I figured out the likely reason why everyone on this board went all in on the pro-Russia BS. A large number of people on this board are actually Russian. Q is a worldwide phenomenon and many Russians are quite internet savvy. Even if its only 10% once they started it everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Which was sad to see sense normally this board is very even headed. Notice that when they didn't win in a few weeks they calmed down a little.
The issue of NATO being able to defeat Russia IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM. The reason Putin is attacking Ukrainian is he doesn't want NATO on his door step BECAUSE THEY ARE A THREAT... and he knows it.
Now... that said the cabal baited Putin into the fight. I think they thought they could beat Putin. They thought wrong. Its a proxy war and its pretty clear even though Russia is taking longer and is losing more men and equipment they are in fact winning.
All I was saying is if Russia is having trouble using its full force to win a proxy fight with a bunch of rednecks(with good gear) they would get smashed in a real NATO vs Russia fight.
Also remember that while the cabal has a lot of power they are not fully in control of all NATO countries and the only way they can use US firepower is if We The People accept their flimsy excuses. That might work in the middle east because muh terrorism, but attacking Russia is a whole other thing. If Biden actually started a fight like that on purpose he might find We The People dragging him out of his office and tossing him to the curb or worse.
I've yet to see a single drop of evidence that this Ukraine thing is anything other than cypts vs bloods fighting over territory. Its two groups of mafioso thugs slugging it out with a bunch of innocent civilians being used as pawns/bait/shields etc. Except instead of tec9s they are using AKs, RPGs, MBT, Migs, and missiles.
The fact that the thugs on both sides are government officials and/or their pawns just proves how messed up things really are ATM.
I want to thank you for taking the time explaining a little more. It's really helped me understand from your point of view.
One thing is certain, is the cohesiveness of Q followers has remained because of the history we have watching the better days before the election. It's hard to let go of that feeling I had.
Everything after the election doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm not that sold on the idea Putin is acting in favor of white hats either. I personally don't agree with the hysteria surrounding vaccines either, Q said not all vaccines are bad. You could say the same arguments when people blamed every death on Covid, was the same behavior as saying every death was caused by the vaccine, lol. Same thing to me.
Well, I enjoy these boards anyway. I have always held the possibility that things have been greatly exaggerated by imagination. For example democrats are killing babies, through support of abortion, but the rest is hyperbole.
I've seen a way more rational side of people lately here, which is good, because it was like the election hopes and the hope for a better world crushed a lot of people.
Don't be fooled. The vaccines are far worse than even some on here believe. The issue is they are a long slow death rather than a quick one. They might as well of injected people with live cancer cells. We are only witnessing the leading edge of the death toll caused by the covid vaccine.
As far as killing babies... I'd like to see the proof before a I pass final judgment, but I truly believe these lunatics capable of ritual human sacrifice etc etc. Narcissism gone mad can make people do some seriously insane shit.
The one thing about Putin that gets me is the cabal spent a LONG time baiting him into attacking. They antagonized him. So either they truly are a bunch of idiots or they had already removed/destroyed any incriminating evidence in Ukraine. If that's the case then how is Putin acting as a white-hat by going in and pointlessly wrecking the place? It makes no sense.
Well abortion is the single biggest distraction and both uniparty and cabal use it to divide. We are the only species that polices reproduction and attaches a value of social piety to it. Look up whales, great apes, bears, pandas, etc many other higher domain animals will infanticide for survival or if infants survival is not guaranteed. We have extremist Christians here pretending because a single case of a 20 week fetus surviving through the most advanced NICU in the world means aborting is murder. And then when confronted with the socialism question when it comes to abolishing abortion and the millions of unwanted babies, they have NO answer.
The vaccine is another thing. Some not all is implying you're not going to die getting a typhoid vaccine when traveling. It's pretty obvious the covid vaccine is nefarious based on Borla and Gates actions, the push on a municipal level, and the complete attempt at discrediting VAERS. did some people get saline? Yeah. Are some people hardy enough to make it past the initial spiking and metabolic damage? Yeah. It doesn't mean that our conviction the vaccine is bad isn't warranted. A hundred people dying is too much, considering covid itself is just another URI that only kills people who were already on death's door
And once again..it's social piety. Grandma, grandma. You're not evil if you think someone dying at 90 is no big deal. It's the natural course of things before Q day and also Jesus returning.
There's a lot of unjustified supposition in this comment. Where do you get the idea that the Russians are taking heavy casualties, disproportionate to objectives, poorly trained, and poorly equipped? Methinks you have been lapping up the media Kool-Aid. Few people understand what Putin is doing, so what does it mean when the ignorant don't expect to see what is happening?
I have read one insightful comment that has concluded that NATO (and by extension, the U.S.) are shitting in their pants, because their NATO-supplied and -trained protege' (Ukraine) is having its clock cleaned by the very Russians they supposed would be easy to stymie.
I watched a well made non-propaganda YT video that talked about how Russia has failed utterly to perform a proper air campaign. It explained how the US use wild weasel missions to break down enemy air defenses and destroy SAM sites. Russia did little of this. They have been operating under fire and taking loses. Mostly they just use long range missiles. Every time you hear about something important being blown up it wasn't from a bomb on a plane that flew over the target. It was a surface to surface missile or a long range cruise missile dropped from a plane 150+ km away. Why? Because while Ukraine isn't in control of the air space neither is Russia. That's not winning.
I've also seen plenty of video where Russian tanks are clearly being hit by missile and 90% of the time they do what you expect, the turret blows slap off because all the ammo goes off. That is a 3 man crew dead instantly. I've also seen several videos of Russian vehicles(SUV/Humvee type stuff) shot to shit and abandoned. Blood is all over the street, although the bodies are gone. So you think no one died?
No, its clear to me in the western MSM propaganda they highlight Russian casualties and skip over the Ukrainian ones. Its very likely that the rates are even 2 vs 1, meaning for every dead Russian there is two or even three(possibly more) dead Ukrainians but if you think the Russians are operating like the US did in Iraq were they lost like 500 men vs 100k dead Iraqs you need to ship me some of what your smoking because its some seriously good stuff. I don't normally do drugs but sounds like what you are smoking is too good to pass up.
Bottom line if Russia has killed 20k Ukrainians even at 3 to 1 that 6-7k dead Russians. How many blown up tanks/APCs? How many downed helicopters etc etc? Dozens? Maybe hundreds of tanks. I'm not saying Russia is getting its ass kicked. I'm saying they are having to actually fight and take casualties against a bunch of rednecks with good gear. Actual soldiers would be wtfpwning the Russians is the logical conclusion.
If Russia was a real fully equipped 1st world military like the US Army(at least used to be pre-Obama) the fight would already be over. Russia would have air superiority and would have bombed the Ukrainian military into dust. Instead they merely contest the airspace and are clearly taking significant casualties on the ground. The fact they are making progress and causing heavy casualties isn't surprising. Fighting NATO the same way would result in them running out of troops in a matter of weeks. Translation, they don't stand a chance in hell against even half of NATO being fully committed.
Just a quick reply. Russia has air superiority, at least enough to be able to use it at will, to operate Su-25s and their attack helicopters. They've wiped out the Ukrainian air force. UKR is putting airplanes aloft that have been patched together from storage. There is no "contest." Ukrainian air fields have been hit. The Ukrainians may operate something out of western Ukraine, but that's a long ways from where the action is. But why bother with aircraft when you have rocket barrage weapons of equal or better accuracy? They give much less warning to the target. And ground weapons can be integrated with ground-based intelligence to clue them in to the right targets. This is particularly necessary when fighting against an adversary that prefers human shield tactics. You have to shoot only where the shooting comes from.
Were they indeed Russian tanks, though? Was it even footage taken in Ukraine? (The UKRs have been known to substitute footage from Syria as being from Ukraine.) The Russians have admitted to losing maybe ~200 tanks, but have destroyed ~2,000 Ukrainian ones. Russian casualties were about 5,000-6,000 (~1500 dead) and their count of Ukrainian casualties was ~20,000 total (maybe 10,000 dead).
One Russian goal is the elimination of Ukrainian military combat capability, by destruction or surrender of forces, and destruction of fixed and mobile assets. They have a long list of weapons depots, ammo dumps, and fuel reserves that they have destroyed, including the 2 (or 3) fuel refineries in Ukraine. The UKR army has nothing to shoot, very little to move with, and no fuel with which to move. They are fixed in place. The Russians first pinned them down, and now the main battle will be an encirclement of the 60,000-man Ukrainian main force in the Donbass in a "cauldron," where they will be pounded into submission or destruction.
To the contrary, they are making child's play of a NATO protege' armed with NATO weapons and trained in NATO interoperability tactics, and this makes NATO nervous. I think it was Colonel Douglas MacGregor (who commanded a tank formation during Gulf War II) who praised this operation as being very skillfully planned and executed. They are placing more emphasis on attainment of goals than adherence to a schedule. Americans are too impatient, and they therefore misjudge what they are given to see (the news from Ukraine and the Western powers is all corrupt at the source).
The fact that both sides lie constantly makes it hard for us to know the truth.
The Ukrainians are clearly still firing SAMs at Russian planes/helo. Thus Russia doesn't control the airspace in any way. Control is not just about jets and runways.
None of this negates my original theory. The Ukrainians didn't have half the training US Army does. They also have VERY different equipment and strategy. Yes, Russia is winning the proxy fight but they shouldn't just be winning. It should be a total route with very few casualties. Instead the ATGMs MANPADs etc are proving very effective at creating casualties. US Army would also be using MLRS, 155mm, and other stuff that the Ukrainians lost in the first week through the whole fight. Throw is some F-22s and Russia just doesn't stand a chance. To think otherwise is foolish.
The only difference is Russia is good enough that it would create casualties on our side not seen sense Vietnam. They would still lose.
I think you are right, NATO is having kittens about Russian tactics and weaponry. The idea that Russia is a second rate military is nonsense, ever since we saw how they deployed their air force over Syria we knew that.
Their bombers did round the clock attacks with seemingly no aircraft maintenance downtime at all, that isn't anything we could do.
As for nukes? They don't need nukes, they have charge cluster/EVO weapons as we do, all they have to do is open up a few select geological faults and that's it. But as the Sniffer in Chief isn't boss of the US military at all Russia can only win.
I read the works of Viktor Suvorov on the subject of the Russian military. Very tough dudes. No margin for weaklings or the faint of heart. The Russians have an attitude about combat, and once you understand it, one respects it. Very pragmatic. Very realistic. Unsentimental, without being unfeeling.
Let's all be clear on one thing... if... IF... the US military directly confronts the Russian military based on the Russian performance in Ukraine so far with bio/chem/nukes completely off the table Russia would lose BADLY. Sure the Russians have been accomplishing their goals and inflicting plenty of casualties but they've been taking hella casualties to do it and taking way more time than anyone expected. One thing stands out loud and clear. Russia is no longer a 1st world military. Their core small force is still 1st world but the bulk of their troops are poorly trained conscripts with shitty older equipment. In a real war their true 1st world army would be outnumbered and outgunned.
To me this is the scary part because when they start to lose they will turn to nukes and chem warfare to make up the difference and all hell will break lose.
I'm confused by a lot of the posts in this thread because a few months ago everyone was so excited about Putin taking out suspicious labs, possibly freeing children and women in sex trade.
The mood was so positive and certain, a lot of digging was done and theories abound.
So if the deep state can win immediately against Russia - that means Russia isn't really a white hat harming the deepstate - otherwise they would have already stopped Russia if it was true Ukraine is the head of the NWO and deep state assets.
It also means that our military is powerful, but then do the white hats really have control? If they are that strong and going against the allies of the white hats?
Is devolution really at play if we see US involvement in a war against Russia/Putin?
That would put to rest almost every theory floating on the boards right now about Putin accelerating white hat plans to uproot the NWO and deep state from Ukraine. And where would devolution be at this point? White hats and Trump in control but they will just let US get involved?
What, they'd let it happen for optics?
I can't keep up, would love some help and look forward to seeing our autists straighten this out.
I actually left this board for about a month because I got so sick of all the pro-Russia BS. Everyone grabbed hold of that narrative that Russia was the good guys and ran with it. They had no evidence other than assumptions they made up out of whole cloth by interpretations of Q posts that were a HUGE stretch.
I'm not sure what the truth really is. One thing I'm totally sure of is Putin is just as bad if not worse than(in some ways) the cabal. He might be working as a white-hat but if he was then wouldn't we be seeing the evidence? Wouldn't he have pictures of the human trafficking sites, the bio labs, etc etc. What he's just gathering it and isn't going to share anything with anyone?
The sad truth is I figured out the likely reason why everyone on this board went all in on the pro-Russia BS. A large number of people on this board are actually Russian. Q is a worldwide phenomenon and many Russians are quite internet savvy. Even if its only 10% once they started it everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. Which was sad to see sense normally this board is very even headed. Notice that when they didn't win in a few weeks they calmed down a little.
The issue of NATO being able to defeat Russia IS THE WHOLE PROBLEM. The reason Putin is attacking Ukrainian is he doesn't want NATO on his door step BECAUSE THEY ARE A THREAT... and he knows it.
Now... that said the cabal baited Putin into the fight. I think they thought they could beat Putin. They thought wrong. Its a proxy war and its pretty clear even though Russia is taking longer and is losing more men and equipment they are in fact winning.
All I was saying is if Russia is having trouble using its full force to win a proxy fight with a bunch of rednecks(with good gear) they would get smashed in a real NATO vs Russia fight.
Also remember that while the cabal has a lot of power they are not fully in control of all NATO countries and the only way they can use US firepower is if We The People accept their flimsy excuses. That might work in the middle east because muh terrorism, but attacking Russia is a whole other thing. If Biden actually started a fight like that on purpose he might find We The People dragging him out of his office and tossing him to the curb or worse.
I've yet to see a single drop of evidence that this Ukraine thing is anything other than cypts vs bloods fighting over territory. Its two groups of mafioso thugs slugging it out with a bunch of innocent civilians being used as pawns/bait/shields etc. Except instead of tec9s they are using AKs, RPGs, MBT, Migs, and missiles.
The fact that the thugs on both sides are government officials and/or their pawns just proves how messed up things really are ATM.
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I want to thank you for taking the time explaining a little more. It's really helped me understand from your point of view.
One thing is certain, is the cohesiveness of Q followers has remained because of the history we have watching the better days before the election. It's hard to let go of that feeling I had.
Everything after the election doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I'm not that sold on the idea Putin is acting in favor of white hats either. I personally don't agree with the hysteria surrounding vaccines either, Q said not all vaccines are bad. You could say the same arguments when people blamed every death on Covid, was the same behavior as saying every death was caused by the vaccine, lol. Same thing to me.
Well, I enjoy these boards anyway. I have always held the possibility that things have been greatly exaggerated by imagination. For example democrats are killing babies, through support of abortion, but the rest is hyperbole.
I've seen a way more rational side of people lately here, which is good, because it was like the election hopes and the hope for a better world crushed a lot of people.
Don't be fooled. The vaccines are far worse than even some on here believe. The issue is they are a long slow death rather than a quick one. They might as well of injected people with live cancer cells. We are only witnessing the leading edge of the death toll caused by the covid vaccine.
As far as killing babies... I'd like to see the proof before a I pass final judgment, but I truly believe these lunatics capable of ritual human sacrifice etc etc. Narcissism gone mad can make people do some seriously insane shit.
The one thing about Putin that gets me is the cabal spent a LONG time baiting him into attacking. They antagonized him. So either they truly are a bunch of idiots or they had already removed/destroyed any incriminating evidence in Ukraine. If that's the case then how is Putin acting as a white-hat by going in and pointlessly wrecking the place? It makes no sense.
Well abortion is the single biggest distraction and both uniparty and cabal use it to divide. We are the only species that polices reproduction and attaches a value of social piety to it. Look up whales, great apes, bears, pandas, etc many other higher domain animals will infanticide for survival or if infants survival is not guaranteed. We have extremist Christians here pretending because a single case of a 20 week fetus surviving through the most advanced NICU in the world means aborting is murder. And then when confronted with the socialism question when it comes to abolishing abortion and the millions of unwanted babies, they have NO answer.
The vaccine is another thing. Some not all is implying you're not going to die getting a typhoid vaccine when traveling. It's pretty obvious the covid vaccine is nefarious based on Borla and Gates actions, the push on a municipal level, and the complete attempt at discrediting VAERS. did some people get saline? Yeah. Are some people hardy enough to make it past the initial spiking and metabolic damage? Yeah. It doesn't mean that our conviction the vaccine is bad isn't warranted. A hundred people dying is too much, considering covid itself is just another URI that only kills people who were already on death's door
And once again..it's social piety. Grandma, grandma. You're not evil if you think someone dying at 90 is no big deal. It's the natural course of things before Q day and also Jesus returning.
There's a lot of unjustified supposition in this comment. Where do you get the idea that the Russians are taking heavy casualties, disproportionate to objectives, poorly trained, and poorly equipped? Methinks you have been lapping up the media Kool-Aid. Few people understand what Putin is doing, so what does it mean when the ignorant don't expect to see what is happening?
I have read one insightful comment that has concluded that NATO (and by extension, the U.S.) are shitting in their pants, because their NATO-supplied and -trained protege' (Ukraine) is having its clock cleaned by the very Russians they supposed would be easy to stymie.
I watched a well made non-propaganda YT video that talked about how Russia has failed utterly to perform a proper air campaign. It explained how the US use wild weasel missions to break down enemy air defenses and destroy SAM sites. Russia did little of this. They have been operating under fire and taking loses. Mostly they just use long range missiles. Every time you hear about something important being blown up it wasn't from a bomb on a plane that flew over the target. It was a surface to surface missile or a long range cruise missile dropped from a plane 150+ km away. Why? Because while Ukraine isn't in control of the air space neither is Russia. That's not winning.
I've also seen plenty of video where Russian tanks are clearly being hit by missile and 90% of the time they do what you expect, the turret blows slap off because all the ammo goes off. That is a 3 man crew dead instantly. I've also seen several videos of Russian vehicles(SUV/Humvee type stuff) shot to shit and abandoned. Blood is all over the street, although the bodies are gone. So you think no one died?
No, its clear to me in the western MSM propaganda they highlight Russian casualties and skip over the Ukrainian ones. Its very likely that the rates are even 2 vs 1, meaning for every dead Russian there is two or even three(possibly more) dead Ukrainians but if you think the Russians are operating like the US did in Iraq were they lost like 500 men vs 100k dead Iraqs you need to ship me some of what your smoking because its some seriously good stuff. I don't normally do drugs but sounds like what you are smoking is too good to pass up.
Bottom line if Russia has killed 20k Ukrainians even at 3 to 1 that 6-7k dead Russians. How many blown up tanks/APCs? How many downed helicopters etc etc? Dozens? Maybe hundreds of tanks. I'm not saying Russia is getting its ass kicked. I'm saying they are having to actually fight and take casualties against a bunch of rednecks with good gear. Actual soldiers would be wtfpwning the Russians is the logical conclusion.
If Russia was a real fully equipped 1st world military like the US Army(at least used to be pre-Obama) the fight would already be over. Russia would have air superiority and would have bombed the Ukrainian military into dust. Instead they merely contest the airspace and are clearly taking significant casualties on the ground. The fact they are making progress and causing heavy casualties isn't surprising. Fighting NATO the same way would result in them running out of troops in a matter of weeks. Translation, they don't stand a chance in hell against even half of NATO being fully committed.
Just a quick reply. Russia has air superiority, at least enough to be able to use it at will, to operate Su-25s and their attack helicopters. They've wiped out the Ukrainian air force. UKR is putting airplanes aloft that have been patched together from storage. There is no "contest." Ukrainian air fields have been hit. The Ukrainians may operate something out of western Ukraine, but that's a long ways from where the action is. But why bother with aircraft when you have rocket barrage weapons of equal or better accuracy? They give much less warning to the target. And ground weapons can be integrated with ground-based intelligence to clue them in to the right targets. This is particularly necessary when fighting against an adversary that prefers human shield tactics. You have to shoot only where the shooting comes from.
Were they indeed Russian tanks, though? Was it even footage taken in Ukraine? (The UKRs have been known to substitute footage from Syria as being from Ukraine.) The Russians have admitted to losing maybe ~200 tanks, but have destroyed ~2,000 Ukrainian ones. Russian casualties were about 5,000-6,000 (~1500 dead) and their count of Ukrainian casualties was ~20,000 total (maybe 10,000 dead).
One Russian goal is the elimination of Ukrainian military combat capability, by destruction or surrender of forces, and destruction of fixed and mobile assets. They have a long list of weapons depots, ammo dumps, and fuel reserves that they have destroyed, including the 2 (or 3) fuel refineries in Ukraine. The UKR army has nothing to shoot, very little to move with, and no fuel with which to move. They are fixed in place. The Russians first pinned them down, and now the main battle will be an encirclement of the 60,000-man Ukrainian main force in the Donbass in a "cauldron," where they will be pounded into submission or destruction.
To the contrary, they are making child's play of a NATO protege' armed with NATO weapons and trained in NATO interoperability tactics, and this makes NATO nervous. I think it was Colonel Douglas MacGregor (who commanded a tank formation during Gulf War II) who praised this operation as being very skillfully planned and executed. They are placing more emphasis on attainment of goals than adherence to a schedule. Americans are too impatient, and they therefore misjudge what they are given to see (the news from Ukraine and the Western powers is all corrupt at the source).
The fact that both sides lie constantly makes it hard for us to know the truth.
The Ukrainians are clearly still firing SAMs at Russian planes/helo. Thus Russia doesn't control the airspace in any way. Control is not just about jets and runways.
None of this negates my original theory. The Ukrainians didn't have half the training US Army does. They also have VERY different equipment and strategy. Yes, Russia is winning the proxy fight but they shouldn't just be winning. It should be a total route with very few casualties. Instead the ATGMs MANPADs etc are proving very effective at creating casualties. US Army would also be using MLRS, 155mm, and other stuff that the Ukrainians lost in the first week through the whole fight. Throw is some F-22s and Russia just doesn't stand a chance. To think otherwise is foolish.
The only difference is Russia is good enough that it would create casualties on our side not seen sense Vietnam. They would still lose.
I think you are right, NATO is having kittens about Russian tactics and weaponry. The idea that Russia is a second rate military is nonsense, ever since we saw how they deployed their air force over Syria we knew that.
Their bombers did round the clock attacks with seemingly no aircraft maintenance downtime at all, that isn't anything we could do.
As for nukes? They don't need nukes, they have charge cluster/EVO weapons as we do, all they have to do is open up a few select geological faults and that's it. But as the Sniffer in Chief isn't boss of the US military at all Russia can only win.
I read the works of Viktor Suvorov on the subject of the Russian military. Very tough dudes. No margin for weaklings or the faint of heart. The Russians have an attitude about combat, and once you understand it, one respects it. Very pragmatic. Very realistic. Unsentimental, without being unfeeling.