The Scripture distinguishes Noah from his generation in Genesis 6. It doesn't do that with Abram when he was called by God. It numbers his family among the idol worshippers. Unless you have a reference I haven't seen anywhere, there is nothing that says Abram was any different from anyone else in his family and city until God appeared to him. That is to put something in that isn't in Scripture, Yes, in James 2:21, by faith A. offered up Isaac, but that was many years after he was called and believed God. Heb. 11:8 shows that God came in and called, and then Abraham obeyed. Faith is the gift of God. I agree we're at an impasse. Bye.