So, for many years, despite being totally red pilled on pizza gate and a million other things, I still thought the chemtrails theory was suspect (like flat earth is suspect). I felt that the explanation was reasonable that at certain altitudes, temperatures, and humidity levels, contrails could linger for extended periods of time. But, about 3 months ago, instead of a few lingering contrails here and there, it's ramped up to dozens of them almost every single day. After these days, the evening and overnight winds are insane. We've had insane winds most days for MONTHS. Never experienced anything like it in my life, completely ridiculous to pretend it's a natural weather pattern for the region I live in.
So, coinciding with the dramatically increased and regular "lingering contrails", I thought to myself 'I guess I should look into this chemtrail thing a bit.' So, I watched the documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying?" and they presented evidence about astronomically high levels of aluminum in the soil in places where they do this spraying, which causes the PH of the soil to come way up, so I decided to test the soil in my own back yard. Predictably, its PH is WAY high at 7.9. At 7 a lot of plants can't survive have trouble.
Anyway, I'm now thoroughly convinced they're spraying something for some reason, and obviously not a good one. So, I've been paying more attention to what days they spray, and if I could spot a pattern. I've logged in to flight trackers to try and figure out which planes, and I've searched on the internet trying to find others who have already spent years trying to spot the patterns of these flights... But I couldn't find much. There are several websites with a LOT of surface information, but apparently no one has simply logged the days, amount of passes across their airspace, the flight numbers and callsigns (or lack thereof) of the aircraft, and compared these datasets to possible explanations. If any of you know of a place where such data is compiled or presented, I'd love to see it.
Now then, I've hit upon one data point in a possible pattern: after months of total sky covering spraying almost every day, there was no spraying at all across the entire Memorial Day weekend. There are plenty of standard passenger flights across this weekend, the sky was full of planes like it is any other day- but no lingering contrails. Not a single one. Do we ever see lingering contrails spreading across the sky on federal holidays? If not, that's quite a damning coincidence. If we could demonstrate a pattern like that, we could easily shut down the "lingering contrail due to common atmospheric conditions" argument- does the weather take federal holidays off?
I'm not a shill. I'm just a guy with 3 degrees in aeronautics and astronautics, having worked for a major airframe manufacturer for 40 years. I notice that the coherence of an argument begins to deteriorate when the proponent resorts to name-calling.
So, let's start from the beginning.
The Flat Earth is completely nuts, from both directions. (1) It is not true. (2) It is being promoted by either psyop guys or lunatics. And I think the same thing is true of "chemtrails."
So you thought something was different when the contrails went from few to many. This would be consistent with the upper air relative humidity increasing (a weather change). Contrails that formerly would not form, or be marginal, would now form and be persistent. A weather change could also explain the new wind pattern. You must be careful not to confuse correlation with causation. A happens coincident with B happening. If A is first, one thinks "A causes B." But the reality could just as easily be that C happens---and C causes A, and C causes B. This happens a lot. You don't have anything to make you think it wasn't a change in weather that causes both the contrail production and the strong winds. You ruled it out...but you didn't have a basis for doing so. Of course, it would be disappointing to think that what was going on was completely natural and nothing to do with "chemtrails." This is the problem of bias confirmation when looking at phenomena.
The person with the aluminum in the soil knew that the aluminum was being deposited how? Did he have a record of its increase over time? Did he know that it was coming from anywhere? Somewhere? Where? All this talk about pH and no mention of what the natural range of values are, or what the error band of the chemical assay was. The most elemental aspect of science is measurement and characterization. You don't have the quantitative basis for concluding anything was abnormal within measurement error. (That said, I am no fan of ingesting aluminum. But we do live in a natural world. I think that a control sample would have been needful.) Deserts are dusty places. It is not unthinkable that aluminum deposits (bauxite, corundum) may have spread dust throughout the desert environment. Volcanic events distribute mineral ash throughout the world. Meteors shower down from the sky and deposit 52,000 tons of dust every year. Plenty of ways for aluminum to appear in soil, none of which involve conspiracy.
I'll leave it at that, with the caution that suspicion and plausibility are not proof of anything. Unless you have something you can use to accuse someone in a court of law, you have nothing. How much time do you want to waste?
Then stop acting like a shill. Your intellectual dishonesty is despicable. Your degrees were given to you by people who openly want you dead, and you think they told you no lies? Also, how do degrees in aeronautics, astronautics, and airframe manufacture make you an expert about weather and atmospheric chemistry? Oh right, they don't. Smarter and more relevantly credentialed people than you agree with me on this, why not defer to their authority as you demand I defer to yours?
You were the one who started this by being a dickhead in every way you could, but because you technically didn't name call you're the virtuous one? Lol, fuck off.
There was no humidity increase, it has been a VERY dry spring.
I have multiple avenues of evidence that all point to the same explanation, backing up that the correlation is causative.
Yes, I do, there was no weather change.
Yes, I did. Your unwillingness to comprehend it is a problem with you, not me.
If indeed you are not a shill, then it is actually you who is confirming your own bias. You need to confront reality, and I do not say this as a person without guilt, until 3 months ago I thought exactly as you do. instead of looking at this theory from a lens of "how can I make this wrong?" look at it from a lens of "this might be the truth, even if it looks wrong to me, so how can the ways in which it looks wrong to me be explained?" You may come to very different conclusions.
Chemtrail spraying is not happening uniformly across the world, many places are untouched. Honestly, if you want to argue this go examine the actual claims and evidence before making these retarded attempts at gotchas.
You're a fucking moron. I said that 6-7 was normal, and where most plants thrive.
Irrelevant to the discussion, just more shill disinfo tactics.
You're making shit up with no evidence, while simultaneously assuming the chemtrail alarmists have no evidence, but in reality they have a lot of very good, scientifically sound evidence, and you're just a moron straining as hard as he can to keep his eyes shut.
Of course not, but they are cause to investigate.
Lol, the chemtrail community DOES have evidence that strong.
Trying to prevent the death of our civilization via starvation by soil toxification is not a waste of time. talking to you sure seems to be though, lol.
A background in aeronautics and astronautics includes familiarity with the structure of the atmosphere. The upper atmosphere has a different humidity than the lower atmosphere. The absolute humidity is lower, but the relative humidity can be higher. Relative humidity is the key to contrail formation and persistence. Relative humidity at ground level is no indicator of relative humidity above 30,000 feet. Your remark about the evil intentions of my instructors is sheer paranoid delusion. You don't know anything about them, or have any reason to dispute the veracity of what I am trying to explain.
I didn't "technically" name call. I didn't name call at all. Nor did I curse at you.
Now it appears that you have all kinds of corroborative evidence---which you don't provide---and I am supposed to be impressed and stop asking questions. Sorry. You still don't have anything on the table.
You complain about the abnormal change in wind strength, timed closely to the appearance of more contrails---and yet you say there was "no change in the weather." Backtracking. Wind strength characteristics are certainly part of "the weather." And changes in contrail appearance also indicate changes in "the weather." It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it, too.
I am approaching this from the standpoint of someone with scientific training. You are not. There is always the null hypothesis (this is all normal). It takes quite a bit to justify moving away from it.
For example, soil pH. Good old Wikipedia provides the information that the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture categorizes soils according to pH ranges from 3.5 to 9.0. The U.S. has swaths of predominantly acidic or alkaline soil. Alkaline soil can come from the erosion of aluminosilicate rock, and dust from mining sites, power plants, or incinerators. Aluminum toxicity is greater in acidic soils. Plants have variable pH ranges from lows near 3 to highs near 8. Do you begin to see how "chemtrails" is an exceptional explanation for something that is understood to be essentially natural? I get the impression that you don't do your own homework.
So, I am not "making shit up." Not in the least. That is your psychological defense mechanism for something you can't answer---just deny it. Have the "chemtrail" scientists put their discoveries into a book with references? I would be interested to know if any such document exists. Science is primarily an effort in replication of results, so a complete description of their research, evidence, and conclusions would be needed to change people's minds.
And if there is enough to win a criminal case, why hasn't one been filed?
Yes, I do, because it's become abundantly clear to me that what you believe and assert is a lie, and if you were told these lies in school then somewhere up the chain, a liar convinced the rest of you of this lie.
No, you didn't, you were just a condescending piece of shit who took every opportunity to straw man, misrepresent, gaslight, and just generally act like a shill.
No, you are supposed to go look at the evidence for yourself like an adult. Or, do you need your hand held in order to learn, Mr 3 Degrees in Aeronautics and Astronautics?
Not that I've gone to the trouble to share with you, since there'd be no point whatsoever.
Nah, you're just incapable of reading what I say with any intellectual honesty. YOU claimed that humidity was the factor, and I said humidity remained the same, and that for chemtrails to fluctuate from dozens of times normal levels to zero, back and forth, would require radical humidity changes, and radically abnormal humidity. There was no such humidity change at surface level, thus "no weather change." But, instead of responding to what I actually said, you cherry pick out a small part that you can pretend I said without context and argue against that. Now, if you're so right, why the need to argue so dishonestly?
As I said, there are scientists with better credentials than you who agree with me. I am following their approach, and their evidence. You are not following any evidence at all, just asserting authority.
It isn't normal though. There has never been free aluminum in the rain in the history of the planet, there has never been significant amounts of free aluminum in the soil in the history of the planet. If you call yourself a follower of science, then go fucking look at the data instead of pretending you already know it. Go really confront the claims, run the same experiments and prove them wrong. You won't be able to, because what I've said is simply true. Aluminum is being sprayed into the atmosphere in massive amounts.
I'm beginning to believe you are not intelligent behind your mask of shill tactics. What you've posted here in no way whatsoever contradicts what I've said.
No, because nothing you've said has caused me the slightest doubt in my observation of the obvious and the validity of the compounding evidence. In fact, the incredible stupidity and intellectual dishonesty of a supposed aeronautical engineer in trying to argue against this evidence only serves to make me more sure. If it wasn't true, you'd have an easy time demonstrating it without relying completely on shill tactics.
Lol, and you do? You have no fucking clue what the claims even are about chemtrails, you just dismiss it out of hand because you've got 3 degrees so you obviously know enough to not even hear the argument. You're a joke, go say that to a mirror, lol.
Yeah, you are. You're not only making up dumb assumed evidence you don't have, but also making up dumb assumed arguments and lack of evidence by chemtrail alarmists, and also making up dumb arguments on my behalf to straw man me. I'd go so far as to say most of what you've said is you arguing with an elaborate fantasy of what you think I and others are saying, far removed from reality.
Lol, yeah they have, many. Goodness, you're a dumb ass. Honestly, you could take like one second to think about that claim and realize "well, duh, even if they're wrong they'll have published a hundred referenced books about it" and not said that. Or, you could have taken two seconds to check if they had.
No, that is incorrect. Because, they already have this, yet you remain steadfastly ignorant. You could find this data in a few minutes, just as I did, but you don't. You demand its existence, assert its nonexistence as an argument, but even if you're presented with it (links leading to such data and research have been posted to this very thread by several people), you ignore it, and scream at the top of your arrogant lungs that it doesn't exist.
Many have, they generally get tossed on technicalities, just like all the election lawsuits. Or, do you think the election was totally legit, too? And there's no corruption in the justice system?
I will admit up front, I don't have the stomach for hugely extended responses. I find they vitiate the point(s) under discussion.
This comes down to your declaration I am a liar, of which you have no evidence. You make claims that you can't support with anything but allegations. I have a successful 40-year career in engineering that did result in material systems operating. So, I shrug my shoulders at your claim of knowing better; you don't. I have the proofs; you have nothing. I am willing to share and educate, but you are willing only to pronounce and condescend.
So, goodbye. You are not willing to address the points I am trying to make (e.g., the pervasiveness of aluminum soil contamination), and I know when it is useless to continue.