So, for many years, despite being totally red pilled on pizza gate and a million other things, I still thought the chemtrails theory was suspect (like flat earth is suspect). I felt that the explanation was reasonable that at certain altitudes, temperatures, and humidity levels, contrails could linger for extended periods of time. But, about 3 months ago, instead of a few lingering contrails here and there, it's ramped up to dozens of them almost every single day. After these days, the evening and overnight winds are insane. We've had insane winds most days for MONTHS. Never experienced anything like it in my life, completely ridiculous to pretend it's a natural weather pattern for the region I live in.
So, coinciding with the dramatically increased and regular "lingering contrails", I thought to myself 'I guess I should look into this chemtrail thing a bit.' So, I watched the documentary "What In The World Are They Spraying?" and they presented evidence about astronomically high levels of aluminum in the soil in places where they do this spraying, which causes the PH of the soil to come way up, so I decided to test the soil in my own back yard. Predictably, its PH is WAY high at 7.9. At 7 a lot of plants can't survive have trouble.
Anyway, I'm now thoroughly convinced they're spraying something for some reason, and obviously not a good one. So, I've been paying more attention to what days they spray, and if I could spot a pattern. I've logged in to flight trackers to try and figure out which planes, and I've searched on the internet trying to find others who have already spent years trying to spot the patterns of these flights... But I couldn't find much. There are several websites with a LOT of surface information, but apparently no one has simply logged the days, amount of passes across their airspace, the flight numbers and callsigns (or lack thereof) of the aircraft, and compared these datasets to possible explanations. If any of you know of a place where such data is compiled or presented, I'd love to see it.
Now then, I've hit upon one data point in a possible pattern: after months of total sky covering spraying almost every day, there was no spraying at all across the entire Memorial Day weekend. There are plenty of standard passenger flights across this weekend, the sky was full of planes like it is any other day- but no lingering contrails. Not a single one. Do we ever see lingering contrails spreading across the sky on federal holidays? If not, that's quite a damning coincidence. If we could demonstrate a pattern like that, we could easily shut down the "lingering contrail due to common atmospheric conditions" argument- does the weather take federal holidays off?
Yes, I do, because it's become abundantly clear to me that what you believe and assert is a lie, and if you were told these lies in school then somewhere up the chain, a liar convinced the rest of you of this lie.
No, you didn't, you were just a condescending piece of shit who took every opportunity to straw man, misrepresent, gaslight, and just generally act like a shill.
No, you are supposed to go look at the evidence for yourself like an adult. Or, do you need your hand held in order to learn, Mr 3 Degrees in Aeronautics and Astronautics?
Not that I've gone to the trouble to share with you, since there'd be no point whatsoever.
Nah, you're just incapable of reading what I say with any intellectual honesty. YOU claimed that humidity was the factor, and I said humidity remained the same, and that for chemtrails to fluctuate from dozens of times normal levels to zero, back and forth, would require radical humidity changes, and radically abnormal humidity. There was no such humidity change at surface level, thus "no weather change." But, instead of responding to what I actually said, you cherry pick out a small part that you can pretend I said without context and argue against that. Now, if you're so right, why the need to argue so dishonestly?
As I said, there are scientists with better credentials than you who agree with me. I am following their approach, and their evidence. You are not following any evidence at all, just asserting authority.
It isn't normal though. There has never been free aluminum in the rain in the history of the planet, there has never been significant amounts of free aluminum in the soil in the history of the planet. If you call yourself a follower of science, then go fucking look at the data instead of pretending you already know it. Go really confront the claims, run the same experiments and prove them wrong. You won't be able to, because what I've said is simply true. Aluminum is being sprayed into the atmosphere in massive amounts.
I'm beginning to believe you are not intelligent behind your mask of shill tactics. What you've posted here in no way whatsoever contradicts what I've said.
No, because nothing you've said has caused me the slightest doubt in my observation of the obvious and the validity of the compounding evidence. In fact, the incredible stupidity and intellectual dishonesty of a supposed aeronautical engineer in trying to argue against this evidence only serves to make me more sure. If it wasn't true, you'd have an easy time demonstrating it without relying completely on shill tactics.
Lol, and you do? You have no fucking clue what the claims even are about chemtrails, you just dismiss it out of hand because you've got 3 degrees so you obviously know enough to not even hear the argument. You're a joke, go say that to a mirror, lol.
Yeah, you are. You're not only making up dumb assumed evidence you don't have, but also making up dumb assumed arguments and lack of evidence by chemtrail alarmists, and also making up dumb arguments on my behalf to straw man me. I'd go so far as to say most of what you've said is you arguing with an elaborate fantasy of what you think I and others are saying, far removed from reality.
Lol, yeah they have, many. Goodness, you're a dumb ass. Honestly, you could take like one second to think about that claim and realize "well, duh, even if they're wrong they'll have published a hundred referenced books about it" and not said that. Or, you could have taken two seconds to check if they had.
No, that is incorrect. Because, they already have this, yet you remain steadfastly ignorant. You could find this data in a few minutes, just as I did, but you don't. You demand its existence, assert its nonexistence as an argument, but even if you're presented with it (links leading to such data and research have been posted to this very thread by several people), you ignore it, and scream at the top of your arrogant lungs that it doesn't exist.
Many have, they generally get tossed on technicalities, just like all the election lawsuits. Or, do you think the election was totally legit, too? And there's no corruption in the justice system?
I will admit up front, I don't have the stomach for hugely extended responses. I find they vitiate the point(s) under discussion.
This comes down to your declaration I am a liar, of which you have no evidence. You make claims that you can't support with anything but allegations. I have a successful 40-year career in engineering that did result in material systems operating. So, I shrug my shoulders at your claim of knowing better; you don't. I have the proofs; you have nothing. I am willing to share and educate, but you are willing only to pronounce and condescend.
So, goodbye. You are not willing to address the points I am trying to make (e.g., the pervasiveness of aluminum soil contamination), and I know when it is useless to continue.
I didn't call you a liar, I said what you've said is a lie. You might be the victim of the lie rather than a perpetrator.
Nah, I can support them just fine, and have. Your claims are what cannot be supported.
Your career is irrelevant. There are 40 year practicing doctors who have administered hundreds of thousands of doses of vaccines, causing untold negative effects for virtually no upside, certain the entire time that they were doing what was best for their patients.
I did not say I know better, I said there are people better credentialed than you who know better. Amazing that no matter what is said you can't respond to it honestly.
You have NO proof. You only have your worthless authority.
You are not willing to share or educate, or that's what you would do. You seem only willing to deride, seeing as that's all you've done.
I have not condescended to you unprovoked, you started it.
You've made no points that I have not addressed, you gaslighting shill. Go test your soil and the air for aluminum. Go fly through the clouds left by the unmarked planes every single day, which show up on no open source flight trackers, and prove they aren't spraying aluminum. Until you do that, your standard of proof for your position is ZERO compared to the standard of proof being brought by the chemtrail alarmists.
I have to prove that something isn't happening? No, that's not where the burden of proof lies. I don't have to prove there are no unicorns. It is on you to prove that there are unicorns. And proof requires evidence, not speculative arguments and unsubstantiated correlations.
Don't worry about credentials. I have them. You don't have them (or you would surely have mentioned them) and you don't even name your sources and their "credentials." You are not in a position to be judicious about sources. Check out patent no. 7,686,253 for evidence that I know my stuff (you get to guess which contributor I was).
I have been providing information---such as the fact that there is aluminum naturally present from all kinds of sources. It's one of the first things you find out by doing a few seconds of research. No evidence that it is coming from any "spraying." No. I don't have to disprove your paranoid fantasy. You have to prove it. And you can't, within the scientific method.
No, you have to prove that the proof presented is false, you dildo. The chemtrail alarmists have already fulfilled their burden of proof.
I name nothing because you are a shill unworthy of earnest discussion. You go find the evidence for yourself, find the best evidence you can that you are wrong, and disprove it, then we can talk on equal footing. Until then, your appeal to your own authority is a joke.
You have provided NOTHING. Your "fact" that aluminum is present naturally in many forms is GASLIGHTING. Yeah, aluminum is everywhere- bound up in more complex molecules. Free aluminum has never been in the rain in the history of the planet, at least in any more than unmeasurably small amounts. Same for the soil. That's something you would find out with a few seconds of research. And notice, AGAIN, that you simply CAN NOT answer to what I actually said, you MUST make up something I DIDN'T say to argue against.
The evidence it comes from spraying comes from atmospheric sampling by aircraft flying through the supposed chemtrails themselves.
My paranoid fantasy is already proven, with the scientific method, it is up to you to demonstrate that the proof is flawed. And simply saying so repeatedly is laughably insufficient. You are a complete LOSER for arguing with me with such dishonesty instead of going and confronting the proof for yourself. You do your credentials enormous insult by acting this way.