Do I agree with abortion? NO! Do I think we have a say in what someone wants to do with their body(regardless of the situation)? NO! we are brought into this world with free will. And the more we sit here and argue over rules and regulations over someone's body the less free we become. So what happens after we ban abortions? What happens to all the babies? There is not a 1 solution fits all for everything. Just like the trans and whoever else, non of our business. People keep preaching and don't realize what we need is love and understanding. What is happening is hate, division, judgment, fear that is tearing everyone apart. Stop focusing on what the politicians are arguing about, that is part of the distraction from you enjoying your reality and world.
I agree that bodily autonomy is real. Do whatever you want to your own body, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. The problem comes when sperm meets egg. A new human is created, that also has bodily autonomy. You no longer have the right to control its autonomy. Do whatever you like to prevent sperm from meeting egg ; sterilization, condoms, abstainance. But if sperm meets egg, you cannot murder that human.
I personally believe that if someone is in my house, even if I originally invited them, that I have the right to disinvite them at any point. If they refuse to leave, I have the right to remove them by force. If the only way to facilitate that removal, for whatever reason, is with lethal force, then I believe that is still within my rights.
First thing's first, I'm going to respond from my personal perspective of what it should be, not what the actual laws say. I know the laws do not agree with me and I do not agree with the laws.
I believe that if the only way that you can force them to leave (immediately) is through lethal force, then you have the right to do so. In this situation, I believe that you have a duty to exercise the "gentlest" reasonable way to remove them.
With regards to abortion, this means that a woman has the right to have the fetus removed at any time, but, if there is a reasonable (and economical) way of removing the fetus right then without killing it, that should be the option required to be taken. That is, currently it may not be possible to perform an abortion at certain stages without the fetus's death being inevitable. But, if technology progresses such that it is feasible, economical, and reasonable to remove the fetus alive and incubate it or whatever, then that should be required.
I believe there are times that murder is OK. The death penalty, self defense, etc.
It's not possible at any stage, all abortion makes the death of the baby inevitable.
This simply isn't true. Well, depending on how you define abortion. Regardless of what you call it, I'm saying that if the goal is to kill the fetus, that's not OK. If the goal is to remove the fetus, then that's OK, even if killing it is inevitable. If/when technology progresses enough for it to be reasonable to remove the fetus without its death, that should be the option taken.
The devil is in the details. In this case, you did not invite the new human in, you began their LIFE. You did, however, invite the father of this new human in. Feel free to throw out the father, if you wish. But you can't kill the human you have created.
My whole analogy relies on the comparison that beginning a fetus's life is comparable to inviting someone to stay inside. And I don't see how, at least for the purpose of this argument, they are meaningfully different.
there's a big difference between inviting someone to your house and then kicking them out when they're a douche and getting an unwanted pregnancy as a consequence of your own decisions and MURDERING the fetus because you don't want to face the consequences of your own mistake.
Apples to oranges, so much wrong with this response, I can't even. First of all, just try shooting someone who overstayed their welcome and see if the police agree with you... And this isn't a friend coming over to visit your HOUSE. This is a biological relationship of mother to child as nature intended and it is AGAINST NATURE to violently remove that child. Nature doesn't forget, either. There are multiple negative hormonal effects of abortion due to disruption of the pregnancy (not the same in a natural miscarriage) sometimes resulting in breast cancer, emotional effects that linger for decades, not to mention how many women are maimed and killed due to the shoddy "skills" of the butchers calling themselves doctors.
Yes, I disagree with the law and the law disagrees with me. I'm talking about what I personally believe the law should be, not how the law is written right now.
Imagine saying that we have the right to own fully automatic weapons unrestricted per the second amendment and some retard says "lol, no, try having a fully automatic weapon and seeing if the police agree with you."
This isn't a friend coming over to visit your house
Yes, it's actually worse. I believe that a person's body is even more under their control than their property.
It is against nature to violently remove that child.
The number of times I've seen chickens peck at, destroy, and ultimately eat their own fertilized eggs tells me that you're wrong.
yada yada emotional effect
Look, I'm not advocating for abortion. But the argument that it will negatively effect the woman, while a very good reason to not get an abortion, is not an argument for why abortion should be criminal, because that only affects her. The only debate here is about how it affects the fetus, who is the second party in this equation. And I believe it is within the woman's right to murder it, if that is necessary to remove it.
And that is why it is none of our business if someone wants to kill their baby. Is it wrong, of course, but they will have to live with it the rest of their lives and probably will not ever reach salvation. The point is it is not our choice to make for them. No matter right or wrong people will kill bc they have justified it for themselves. This is the same with the gun control argument, someone will still find another way to kill if that is what their intent is. Argueing over whats right and what's wrong is what they want, they want us weak, they want us tired, they want us in fear of, and the more we sit here and argue with each other over these topics that they navigate for us(bc if it wasn't in the news we wouldn't be focused on it right now) the more they continue to win. I chose to give my opinion not to argue but to get the wheels spinning for others, bc I didnt always see it this way.
Thanks for the biology lessons. Why do people think that bc they have a different opinion than another that they need to educate the other person? Agree to disagree and move on.
You decided to not answer any of my questions and just harp on why you feel a certain way about the topic. How about think a little more about the bigger picture, bc we all know killing an unborn baby is fucking wrong, like I stated. Answer the questions and have a conversation. Probably bots taking over i dont even know why I bother on any social media anymore.
I'm not dodging your questions. My previous statements, you may note, specifically use the word MURDER. Meaning the taking of an INNOCENT life. Taking a life in one's own defense against an attacker, or that of an unrepentant murderer does not equate with murder. Not my definitions. Look it up. Does that answer your questions? Or are you just stirring the pot, so to speak?
No, death is death no matter how you want to define it in order to justify it for yourself. But again you didn't answer any of my questions so did you just post to speak?
Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just comment to try and be funny?
So you think abortions should be banned so they can't harvest organs? Ok so now let's say there are no more abortions and every baby has to be born, where do they go? Do you really think that they won't just harvest from the unwanted alive babies that would be over flowing the foster homes? Let's all stop wanting rules out of fear of the unknown and actually start thinking about real solutions that make sense. I know what happens at these abortion clinics and like I said it is horrible and I do not agree with it. But again it is none of my business if Jane Doe wants to take the life of her unborn child the same way it is none of my business if John Doe wants to shoot someone for walking on his lawn. None of my business, both deaths are wrong, and both people will suffer consequences.
I read what you wrote and determined you're a degenerate who believes women have a right to kill children as long as they're still in the womb, or, at the very least, it's "none of" your "business."
No, I'm not a degenerate and for whatever reason you feel you need to insult a stranger bc you dont like what they have to day then so be it. Thought we were all patriots here..
Again,, you have the right one do whatever you want to do, if you choose to kill an innocent baby that is on you and should only be the mothers decision. Whether it be wrong or right you have no say in what someone else does with their body, plain and simple. That person will have to live with their decision the rest of their lives. What will you do for the unwanted baby they are forced to have? Absolutely nothing, so we are done here.
Well for starters, you chose to attack my stance as opposed to answering my questions asked, on top of trying to insult me. If you want to keep making assumptions bc you're trying to stir the pot instead of trying to have an intelligent conversation then again I am done here.
Nessel is a sick puppy.
Do I agree with abortion? NO! Do I think we have a say in what someone wants to do with their body(regardless of the situation)? NO! we are brought into this world with free will. And the more we sit here and argue over rules and regulations over someone's body the less free we become. So what happens after we ban abortions? What happens to all the babies? There is not a 1 solution fits all for everything. Just like the trans and whoever else, non of our business. People keep preaching and don't realize what we need is love and understanding. What is happening is hate, division, judgment, fear that is tearing everyone apart. Stop focusing on what the politicians are arguing about, that is part of the distraction from you enjoying your reality and world.
I agree that bodily autonomy is real. Do whatever you want to your own body, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. The problem comes when sperm meets egg. A new human is created, that also has bodily autonomy. You no longer have the right to control its autonomy. Do whatever you like to prevent sperm from meeting egg ; sterilization, condoms, abstainance. But if sperm meets egg, you cannot murder that human.
Well stated and exactly how I feel.
I personally believe that if someone is in my house, even if I originally invited them, that I have the right to disinvite them at any point. If they refuse to leave, I have the right to remove them by force. If the only way to facilitate that removal, for whatever reason, is with lethal force, then I believe that is still within my rights.
First thing's first, I'm going to respond from my personal perspective of what it should be, not what the actual laws say. I know the laws do not agree with me and I do not agree with the laws.
I believe that if the only way that you can force them to leave (immediately) is through lethal force, then you have the right to do so. In this situation, I believe that you have a duty to exercise the "gentlest" reasonable way to remove them.
With regards to abortion, this means that a woman has the right to have the fetus removed at any time, but, if there is a reasonable (and economical) way of removing the fetus right then without killing it, that should be the option required to be taken. That is, currently it may not be possible to perform an abortion at certain stages without the fetus's death being inevitable. But, if technology progresses such that it is feasible, economical, and reasonable to remove the fetus alive and incubate it or whatever, then that should be required.
I believe there are times that murder is OK. The death penalty, self defense, etc.
This simply isn't true. Well, depending on how you define abortion. Regardless of what you call it, I'm saying that if the goal is to kill the fetus, that's not OK. If the goal is to remove the fetus, then that's OK, even if killing it is inevitable. If/when technology progresses enough for it to be reasonable to remove the fetus without its death, that should be the option taken.
The devil is in the details. In this case, you did not invite the new human in, you began their LIFE. You did, however, invite the father of this new human in. Feel free to throw out the father, if you wish. But you can't kill the human you have created.
My whole analogy relies on the comparison that beginning a fetus's life is comparable to inviting someone to stay inside. And I don't see how, at least for the purpose of this argument, they are meaningfully different.
there's a big difference between inviting someone to your house and then kicking them out when they're a douche and getting an unwanted pregnancy as a consequence of your own decisions and MURDERING the fetus because you don't want to face the consequences of your own mistake.
What if your invitee wasn't a douche, you kicked them out because you felt like it, and they refused to leave so you had to use lethal force?
well at that point you can call the cops on them lmao
Apples to oranges, so much wrong with this response, I can't even. First of all, just try shooting someone who overstayed their welcome and see if the police agree with you... And this isn't a friend coming over to visit your HOUSE. This is a biological relationship of mother to child as nature intended and it is AGAINST NATURE to violently remove that child. Nature doesn't forget, either. There are multiple negative hormonal effects of abortion due to disruption of the pregnancy (not the same in a natural miscarriage) sometimes resulting in breast cancer, emotional effects that linger for decades, not to mention how many women are maimed and killed due to the shoddy "skills" of the butchers calling themselves doctors.
Yes, I disagree with the law and the law disagrees with me. I'm talking about what I personally believe the law should be, not how the law is written right now.
Imagine saying that we have the right to own fully automatic weapons unrestricted per the second amendment and some retard says "lol, no, try having a fully automatic weapon and seeing if the police agree with you."
Yes, it's actually worse. I believe that a person's body is even more under their control than their property.
The number of times I've seen chickens peck at, destroy, and ultimately eat their own fertilized eggs tells me that you're wrong.
Look, I'm not advocating for abortion. But the argument that it will negatively effect the woman, while a very good reason to not get an abortion, is not an argument for why abortion should be criminal, because that only affects her. The only debate here is about how it affects the fetus, who is the second party in this equation. And I believe it is within the woman's right to murder it, if that is necessary to remove it.
And that is why it is none of our business if someone wants to kill their baby. Is it wrong, of course, but they will have to live with it the rest of their lives and probably will not ever reach salvation. The point is it is not our choice to make for them. No matter right or wrong people will kill bc they have justified it for themselves. This is the same with the gun control argument, someone will still find another way to kill if that is what their intent is. Argueing over whats right and what's wrong is what they want, they want us weak, they want us tired, they want us in fear of, and the more we sit here and argue with each other over these topics that they navigate for us(bc if it wasn't in the news we wouldn't be focused on it right now) the more they continue to win. I chose to give my opinion not to argue but to get the wheels spinning for others, bc I didnt always see it this way.
We murder humans all the time with war, death penalty, why is this different? Why do we justify one death over another?
Thanks for the biology lessons. Why do people think that bc they have a different opinion than another that they need to educate the other person? Agree to disagree and move on.
I am merely using facts to explain my position. You would be well-served to do the same. Just stating my opinion. Moving on.
You decided to not answer any of my questions and just harp on why you feel a certain way about the topic. How about think a little more about the bigger picture, bc we all know killing an unborn baby is fucking wrong, like I stated. Answer the questions and have a conversation. Probably bots taking over i dont even know why I bother on any social media anymore.
I'm not dodging your questions. My previous statements, you may note, specifically use the word MURDER. Meaning the taking of an INNOCENT life. Taking a life in one's own defense against an attacker, or that of an unrepentant murderer does not equate with murder. Not my definitions. Look it up. Does that answer your questions? Or are you just stirring the pot, so to speak?
No, death is death no matter how you want to define it in order to justify it for yourself. But again you didn't answer any of my questions so did you just post to speak?
Did you take a wrong turn at Reddit?
Where's the love for the unborn children being harvested to create bioweapons to kill you?
Did you actually read what I wrote or did you just comment to try and be funny? So you think abortions should be banned so they can't harvest organs? Ok so now let's say there are no more abortions and every baby has to be born, where do they go? Do you really think that they won't just harvest from the unwanted alive babies that would be over flowing the foster homes? Let's all stop wanting rules out of fear of the unknown and actually start thinking about real solutions that make sense. I know what happens at these abortion clinics and like I said it is horrible and I do not agree with it. But again it is none of my business if Jane Doe wants to take the life of her unborn child the same way it is none of my business if John Doe wants to shoot someone for walking on his lawn. None of my business, both deaths are wrong, and both people will suffer consequences.
I read what you wrote and determined you're a degenerate who believes women have a right to kill children as long as they're still in the womb, or, at the very least, it's "none of" your "business."
Correct me if I'm wrong.
No, I'm not a degenerate and for whatever reason you feel you need to insult a stranger bc you dont like what they have to day then so be it. Thought we were all patriots here..
Again,, you have the right one do whatever you want to do, if you choose to kill an innocent baby that is on you and should only be the mothers decision. Whether it be wrong or right you have no say in what someone else does with their body, plain and simple. That person will have to live with their decision the rest of their lives. What will you do for the unwanted baby they are forced to have? Absolutely nothing, so we are done here.
If you support murdering unborn children, you're a degenerate according to the Word of God.
It's not an insult; it's simply the truth.
So you mean to tell me you've never donated money or volunteered your time to food banks or orphanages and assume everybody else is just like you?
Well for starters, you chose to attack my stance as opposed to answering my questions asked, on top of trying to insult me. If you want to keep making assumptions bc you're trying to stir the pot instead of trying to have an intelligent conversation then again I am done here.
If you support the murder of innocent children, it's impossible for you to have an intelligent conversation about this topic.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.