Can you imagine being such a monster that you know you have the votes to overturn it and you just drag it out? Kids killed every day. Supreme Court is an amoral disaster.
The increased security only passed the house is my understanding. It will need to go all the way through so that they have the security they need when the decision is passed down.
Okay so I've started to feel a bit torn on this...
Seeing the way that liberals are raising their children, forcing them into a life full of leftist activism, sexual grooming, transgender ideology etc- do we really want these people to be having more children?
Is it more compassionate to have the childs life end, rather than live a life full of abuse and/or neglect from shitty parents?
I'm definitely not in support of late term abortion, regardless of circumstances.
I do think as a society we need to think a little further down the road when it comes to this topic. Of all of the women I know who have had abortions, not a single one of them is even remotely fit to be a parent.
Idk. Maybe the whole mass sterilization via vaccination idea isnt so bad 😬
I genuinely would love nothing more than for every child born to be properly loved and protected, for every mother and child to have everything they need to thrive.
Unfortunately, we dont live in a society that is conducive to that.
For me personally, abortion was never something I would even consider.
My eldest child was fathered by an extremely abusive man, who raped me, beat me, imprisoned me. Even still, the idea of killing my baby was never an option. My mother and a handful of family members thought I was insane.
Our lives have been full of struggle and hardship, and there have been moments where I wondered if I made the right choice. Ultimately, I believe I did. And in spite of all of the hardships we have survived. Though the trauma of not having a father is something he is forced to live with his entire life and has had undeniable detrimental effects to his development.
I had some supoort from family, and have a strong constitution and will to survive without which things could have been very bad.
Not everyone has these things. Many women are without familial support, already struggling themselves, not mentally capable of the responsibility of child rearing. It's an incredibly difficult duty and for the most part the existence of community, the proverbial village, does not exist as it once did.
While I do not personally support abortion, I also do not have any answers for a viable alternative and have yet to see anyone on the pro-life side of things offer up any sort of solution or hope for those women who would be made to carry and birth a child.
How many of the children will end up being sold into child trafficking? How many will end up living on the streets? How many will be abused in one form or another? How many will starve? How many will die from lack of medical care?
Culturally this is a much larger issue than simply "pro life" or "pro choice"
This is a symptom of a very sick society that does not value human life beyond empty sentiments and moral outrage.
"Save the children! But once they leave the womb you're on your own!"
What does that look like for our society? Where do they all go? Who pays for them? How do we ensure they are properly cared for, loved, protected, housed and fed?
You offer no solution to millions of babies being born to parents who dont want them, cant afford to house or feed them, and will not have the ability to love or protect them.
Seriously. Give me even a simple outline of a solution to this predicament.
I'm not hugely swayed one way or the other, but I've yet to see any sort of solution from the pro-life crowd as to how these babies and their mothers will be cared for. Most of the pro-life crowd I have interacted with are also very anti social services and welfare programs.
So they want these babies to be born, but give zero fucks about what happens to them after birth? It makes no sense.
We take away their ability to have abortions, they make millions of children who are all put on hormone blockers and their genitals removed and sent to be groomed at drag story time and then grow up to become demented abusers themselves.
Idk. Maybe this is a eugenics program that'll eventually work out in our favor.
Won't even get that far. story time fans are getting arrested and exposed as child porn addicts and pedos, blockers are considered child abuse in several states and more are following suit.
The transgender movement is stalling out already in many places. In a few more years it'll even be illegal again in some places.
Why pander to murdering children? Your argument falls flat on the face of it. There is no justification for genocide.
I work with clients every day who spent their entire childhood being molested and abused by mentally ill parents. They all wish they had never been born.
Sometimes saving a life is anything but. If we are weighing the cost of suffering, I'm not sure the scales always tip in the direction you think they do.
Next time you work with a client, are you going to offer them pills, or just shoot them in the head, no choice? Mercy killing doesn't age discriminate, and you shouldn't either. If you are killing out of mercy, they don't get a choice, so if you truly believe what you are saying, you are a hypocrite if you don't start ending the suffering of these clients.
Are you starting to see how messed up your logic has become?
There is a reason they used to make social workers 6months to two years on, then take a break and work desk or other field for a while before going back. Messes with your head and sense of reality, breaks your heart and twists your mind.
IMO, you may want to step back and take a break, pray a lot and go to church, get your head screwed on right again.
(Updated)
I'm sorry, didn't mean to be obtuse. Let me try again.
Your original point was that murdering babies would be OK if it were babies of liberals, and presumably the LGBTQMNOP+-* community. You suggested it would be more humane to murder them rather than allow them to be abused by those people groups, as you postulated they are, by and large pedophiles, groomers, abusers, etc.
My counterpoint was multi faceted so allow me to elaborate:
Given your profession, it seemed a natural progression of your original thesis to murder your clients, given the trauma and anguish they are going through. It seemed hypocritical of you to try and recover their mental faculties rather than give them immediate ease from their experiences.
I suggested that the proposition you made is not one a person in their right mind would entertain for more than a few seconds, much less bring out as anything more than a super sarcastic quip.
I also mentioned the fact that, given the deranged suggestion you made, you may be experiencing mental fatigue brought on by over exposure to the emotional/mental/physical trauma of your clients, as this is pretty common in the social work profession (the fatigue, not the suggestion). I also indicated that, given this, it may be time for you to rotate out of direct care for a while to regain your own moral and mental compass, as used to be the practice of those in the profession.
I was attempting to drive home the point that Killing any people, in order to facilitate prevention of possible future trauma is both repugnant to society, utilitarian, and wholly evil, like nazi level evil.
Many of the societal and mental issues that cause people to do these things are being regulated and may not be a problem in the future. Grooming, and puberty blockers are already illegal in several States, and the trend seems likely to continue. So the very fundamental basis of you suggesting murdering babies might be a mute point in the future anyways.
TL;DR What you are suggesting (mercy killing babies) is morally wrong and socially unacceptable on multiple levels, and you may need help yourself. Seek help.
Nope. Just two moar weeks
Not till the get the riots fully organized and the bricks delivered.
Can you imagine being such a monster that you know you have the votes to overturn it and you just drag it out? Kids killed every day. Supreme Court is an amoral disaster.
The scotus is going to slow roll this out, I wouldn’t be shocked if the decision is announced after the 4th of July weekend.
Not today.
The increased security only passed the house is my understanding. It will need to go all the way through so that they have the security they need when the decision is passed down.
Okay so I've started to feel a bit torn on this...
Seeing the way that liberals are raising their children, forcing them into a life full of leftist activism, sexual grooming, transgender ideology etc- do we really want these people to be having more children?
Is it more compassionate to have the childs life end, rather than live a life full of abuse and/or neglect from shitty parents?
I'm definitely not in support of late term abortion, regardless of circumstances.
I do think as a society we need to think a little further down the road when it comes to this topic. Of all of the women I know who have had abortions, not a single one of them is even remotely fit to be a parent.
Idk. Maybe the whole mass sterilization via vaccination idea isnt so bad 😬
I understand this and appreciate the sentiment.
I genuinely would love nothing more than for every child born to be properly loved and protected, for every mother and child to have everything they need to thrive.
Unfortunately, we dont live in a society that is conducive to that.
For me personally, abortion was never something I would even consider.
My eldest child was fathered by an extremely abusive man, who raped me, beat me, imprisoned me. Even still, the idea of killing my baby was never an option. My mother and a handful of family members thought I was insane.
Our lives have been full of struggle and hardship, and there have been moments where I wondered if I made the right choice. Ultimately, I believe I did. And in spite of all of the hardships we have survived. Though the trauma of not having a father is something he is forced to live with his entire life and has had undeniable detrimental effects to his development.
I had some supoort from family, and have a strong constitution and will to survive without which things could have been very bad.
Not everyone has these things. Many women are without familial support, already struggling themselves, not mentally capable of the responsibility of child rearing. It's an incredibly difficult duty and for the most part the existence of community, the proverbial village, does not exist as it once did.
While I do not personally support abortion, I also do not have any answers for a viable alternative and have yet to see anyone on the pro-life side of things offer up any sort of solution or hope for those women who would be made to carry and birth a child.
How many of the children will end up being sold into child trafficking? How many will end up living on the streets? How many will be abused in one form or another? How many will starve? How many will die from lack of medical care?
Culturally this is a much larger issue than simply "pro life" or "pro choice"
This is a symptom of a very sick society that does not value human life beyond empty sentiments and moral outrage.
"Save the children! But once they leave the womb you're on your own!"
Thank you 🙏
The "killing kids is good" argument. Interesting take.
So say all of these women have these babies.
What does that look like for our society? Where do they all go? Who pays for them? How do we ensure they are properly cared for, loved, protected, housed and fed?
You're right, genocide is the only reasonable answer.
You offer no solution to millions of babies being born to parents who dont want them, cant afford to house or feed them, and will not have the ability to love or protect them.
Seriously. Give me even a simple outline of a solution to this predicament.
I'm not hugely swayed one way or the other, but I've yet to see any sort of solution from the pro-life crowd as to how these babies and their mothers will be cared for. Most of the pro-life crowd I have interacted with are also very anti social services and welfare programs.
So they want these babies to be born, but give zero fucks about what happens to them after birth? It makes no sense.
Kill them all isn't a reasonable or ethical solution.
WHAT IS THE SOLUTION
I don't have to have a good solution to recognize that yours is evil and sinful.
Where does the moral and ethical obligation end?
That's my issue here.
Somehow our moral obligation to protect these children ends as soon as they leave the womb.
Either offer a solution or stfu
Not even gonna dignify that with an answer. As a parent I think you can answer that for yourself.
We take away their ability to have abortions, they make millions of children who are all put on hormone blockers and their genitals removed and sent to be groomed at drag story time and then grow up to become demented abusers themselves.
Idk. Maybe this is a eugenics program that'll eventually work out in our favor.
Won't even get that far. story time fans are getting arrested and exposed as child porn addicts and pedos, blockers are considered child abuse in several states and more are following suit.
The transgender movement is stalling out already in many places. In a few more years it'll even be illegal again in some places.
Why pander to murdering children? Your argument falls flat on the face of it. There is no justification for genocide.
I work with clients every day who spent their entire childhood being molested and abused by mentally ill parents. They all wish they had never been born.
Sometimes saving a life is anything but. If we are weighing the cost of suffering, I'm not sure the scales always tip in the direction you think they do.
Next time you work with a client, are you going to offer them pills, or just shoot them in the head, no choice? Mercy killing doesn't age discriminate, and you shouldn't either. If you are killing out of mercy, they don't get a choice, so if you truly believe what you are saying, you are a hypocrite if you don't start ending the suffering of these clients.
Are you starting to see how messed up your logic has become?
There is a reason they used to make social workers 6months to two years on, then take a break and work desk or other field for a while before going back. Messes with your head and sense of reality, breaks your heart and twists your mind.
IMO, you may want to step back and take a break, pray a lot and go to church, get your head screwed on right again.
The goal of my work is to assist people in processing sexual trauma and finding the will to live again.
I'm not offering them anything that will harm them.
Most of your response is a garbled self righteous mess. My heads just fine.
(Updated) I'm sorry, didn't mean to be obtuse. Let me try again.
Your original point was that murdering babies would be OK if it were babies of liberals, and presumably the LGBTQMNOP+-* community. You suggested it would be more humane to murder them rather than allow them to be abused by those people groups, as you postulated they are, by and large pedophiles, groomers, abusers, etc.
My counterpoint was multi faceted so allow me to elaborate:
Given your profession, it seemed a natural progression of your original thesis to murder your clients, given the trauma and anguish they are going through. It seemed hypocritical of you to try and recover their mental faculties rather than give them immediate ease from their experiences.
I suggested that the proposition you made is not one a person in their right mind would entertain for more than a few seconds, much less bring out as anything more than a super sarcastic quip.
I also mentioned the fact that, given the deranged suggestion you made, you may be experiencing mental fatigue brought on by over exposure to the emotional/mental/physical trauma of your clients, as this is pretty common in the social work profession (the fatigue, not the suggestion). I also indicated that, given this, it may be time for you to rotate out of direct care for a while to regain your own moral and mental compass, as used to be the practice of those in the profession.
I was attempting to drive home the point that Killing any people, in order to facilitate prevention of possible future trauma is both repugnant to society, utilitarian, and wholly evil, like nazi level evil.
Many of the societal and mental issues that cause people to do these things are being regulated and may not be a problem in the future. Grooming, and puberty blockers are already illegal in several States, and the trend seems likely to continue. So the very fundamental basis of you suggesting murdering babies might be a mute point in the future anyways.
TL;DR What you are suggesting (mercy killing babies) is morally wrong and socially unacceptable on multiple levels, and you may need help yourself. Seek help.