I don't think it's a red herring. When you told me it's better to put my faith in God, I am trying to understand the argument you're making.
Beyond what I know from religious intuition and personal prayer, literally everything I know about God comes from what I was taught by a person, or what was written by a human hand.
Yes, I know that Christians believe that the Bible was written by God using humans directly, but that faith still is justified by what those people themselves wrote. "This book of rules I'm writing is not actually by me, but by God, so you can trust me to do a good job, because God is controlling me."
A skeptic would say, "And how do I know they didn't lie?"
And a Christian says, "Because God wouldn't let them."
And a skeptic says, "And these people wrote this proof in the Bible?"
And round and round.
We all have to rely in some sense on getting much of our information about the world from others in which we have some measure of trust. We can't directly know or observe everything, so we rely on second-hand information.
Sometimes, that second-hand information comes from someone telling me what happened in Japan. Sometimes, it's what someone is telling me the vote totals were in 2020. Sometimes, it's someone telling me information about their medical studies.
Sometimes, it's someone telling me that they translated with unimpeachable accuracy an ancient collection of religious texts from its original language, into a few more languages, and finally into your language, over the course of thousands of years with no deliberate or unintentional modifications from the original, allegedly-divinely-inspired primary document.
Literally any information I have to accept from a human source is susceptible to propaganda. I understand that. The possibility of humans manipulating ANY information I accept from them is first and foremost in my mind literally any time I learn anything. Religious, political, whatever.
Being a critical thinker requires that you never fully trust ANY information from ANY human source, even if you're willing to consider it.
So that's why I asked. You said it's best to put your faith in religion. Clearly, then, religion must have some protection from human influence, and that protection must obviously be guaranteed by some power outside of humanity's control, and that power must obviously be demonstrated in some way that is observable outside of faith that humans wouldn't lie about it.
Can you explain what makes religion less vulnerable to propagandizing efforts and human corruption than any other information that humans are responsible for sharing?
It's a red herring, despite your entire dleflective (and wordy) reply to assert it's not.
Why are you afraid to discuss your Qult being propagandized?
Try focus on the example provided, not red herrings or other fallacies please:
for example they're still prattling on about 'horse paste' like their propaganda drilled into them, even 2 years later when most of us are aware of the evidence that stands against their propaganda.
how can you, as a mod of your Qult, help your Qultists start to live by the truth?
Look, my personal goal is to understand the Q stuff as well as possible, and to be able to translate that to the outside world. Because even if I have not yet been convinced by it, and don't intend to convince others, I do think it's important to get as good a picture as I can of your beliefs.
Because you guys exist in numbers that aren't insignificant, and I don't think a failure of the Plan to manifest means you guys just turn to mist.
My job as a mod on QHC there has involved mostly getting rid of ad hom nonsense. Sometimes, I've even removed misinformation about this site and its users.
My job isn't to lead people to some objective truth. Moderators aren't leaders. I have no objective over there to spread any sort of philosophy.
And, in general, I haven't removed information unless it's unrelated to Q, or if it's something that will get the subreddit banned for misinformation, like any other community that promotes Q theories.
I don't necessarily agree with Reddit's stance on this, but I also have absolutely zero power to do anything about it.
But while I don't necessarily agree that Reddit is the best place to get a view into Q stuff, it's also a WAY bigger audience than anything GAW has.
You can choose to have the Reddit mods staffed exclusively with people who aren't even willing to talk to you and think of you as unsalvable idiots, if you'd prefer, but I can't imagine how that would benefit either of us.
You want a Great Awakening, and I like being able to talk directly with the people I'm trying to understand. Because I like to cut out the potential for propaganda when I am investigating Q supporters, and talking to you here is the best way to do that.
It's as if everyone here assumes that every semi-intelligent nonbeliever on the planet is simply going to stand aside and do weeks of research while the Q Team arrests and executes our politicians and business leaders.
I know that people here have continuously assumed I am here for nefarious reasons on the basis that I have not capitulated to Q Theories after reading the evidence. As if no intelligent person can possibly require a better standard of proof than you did to accept Q's Truth.
But I will continue to insist, to the best of my knowledge, that I am a pretty good harbinger for the readiness of the Great Awakening, because exactly none of the questions I ask or points I make are going to be ones that are not made by regular, non-corrupt, non-Cabal, mostly honest people with actual authority and resources to stand against the Q Team.
I can tell you right now that if some nameless military agent started trying to arrest Democratic politicians and execute them, and when questioned, told me to read Devolution and I would "get it", I would try to stop that person, because I'm not going to let someone get kidnapped and executed on the possible delusion of someone.
So I'm hoping there HAS to be better evidence coming, for the sake of me and the many people like me, because otherwise, Q is going to have to gun down a lot of well-meaning people who aren't willing to give Q and Trump the benefit of the doubt and do weeks of research in order to justify Trump's apparently legal return. That research is going to need to be done, revealed, exposed widely, and packaged in a way that will convinced a cop who is unwilling to lower their gun from Q's operators long enough to read Patel Patriot.
Why does Q still have to rely on disinformation and secrecy and plausible deniability if the evidence already out there “should be clear to everyone”?
And as long as Q is still playing optics, still apparently hiding his probable role in carrying out justice, and as long as plausible deniability must exist, then Q is actively making it harder to prove the Plan, on purpose.
That is completely unaffected by whether or not Reddit permits Q posts. That has to do with the actions Q is purposefully taking to hide his identity and the proof of his actions (such as McCain’s arrest and execution, for instance).
So why do you blame people for being skeptical of Q’s claims when Q is still taking so many steps to hide the Plan’s existence and results from the world?
I don't think it's a red herring. When you told me it's better to put my faith in God, I am trying to understand the argument you're making.
Beyond what I know from religious intuition and personal prayer, literally everything I know about God comes from what I was taught by a person, or what was written by a human hand.
Yes, I know that Christians believe that the Bible was written by God using humans directly, but that faith still is justified by what those people themselves wrote. "This book of rules I'm writing is not actually by me, but by God, so you can trust me to do a good job, because God is controlling me."
A skeptic would say, "And how do I know they didn't lie?"
And a Christian says, "Because God wouldn't let them."
And a skeptic says, "And these people wrote this proof in the Bible?"
And round and round.
We all have to rely in some sense on getting much of our information about the world from others in which we have some measure of trust. We can't directly know or observe everything, so we rely on second-hand information.
Sometimes, that second-hand information comes from someone telling me what happened in Japan. Sometimes, it's what someone is telling me the vote totals were in 2020. Sometimes, it's someone telling me information about their medical studies.
Sometimes, it's someone telling me that they translated with unimpeachable accuracy an ancient collection of religious texts from its original language, into a few more languages, and finally into your language, over the course of thousands of years with no deliberate or unintentional modifications from the original, allegedly-divinely-inspired primary document.
Literally any information I have to accept from a human source is susceptible to propaganda. I understand that. The possibility of humans manipulating ANY information I accept from them is first and foremost in my mind literally any time I learn anything. Religious, political, whatever.
Being a critical thinker requires that you never fully trust ANY information from ANY human source, even if you're willing to consider it.
So that's why I asked. You said it's best to put your faith in religion. Clearly, then, religion must have some protection from human influence, and that protection must obviously be guaranteed by some power outside of humanity's control, and that power must obviously be demonstrated in some way that is observable outside of faith that humans wouldn't lie about it.
Can you explain what makes religion less vulnerable to propagandizing efforts and human corruption than any other information that humans are responsible for sharing?
It's a red herring, despite your entire dleflective (and wordy) reply to assert it's not. Why are you afraid to discuss your Qult being propagandized?
Try focus on the example provided, not red herrings or other fallacies please:
for example they're still prattling on about 'horse paste' like their propaganda drilled into them, even 2 years later when most of us are aware of the evidence that stands against their propaganda.
how can you, as a mod of your Qult, help your Qultists start to live by the truth?
Look, my personal goal is to understand the Q stuff as well as possible, and to be able to translate that to the outside world. Because even if I have not yet been convinced by it, and don't intend to convince others, I do think it's important to get as good a picture as I can of your beliefs.
Because you guys exist in numbers that aren't insignificant, and I don't think a failure of the Plan to manifest means you guys just turn to mist.
My job as a mod on QHC there has involved mostly getting rid of ad hom nonsense. Sometimes, I've even removed misinformation about this site and its users.
My job isn't to lead people to some objective truth. Moderators aren't leaders. I have no objective over there to spread any sort of philosophy.
And, in general, I haven't removed information unless it's unrelated to Q, or if it's something that will get the subreddit banned for misinformation, like any other community that promotes Q theories.
I don't necessarily agree with Reddit's stance on this, but I also have absolutely zero power to do anything about it.
But while I don't necessarily agree that Reddit is the best place to get a view into Q stuff, it's also a WAY bigger audience than anything GAW has.
You can choose to have the Reddit mods staffed exclusively with people who aren't even willing to talk to you and think of you as unsalvable idiots, if you'd prefer, but I can't imagine how that would benefit either of us.
You want a Great Awakening, and I like being able to talk directly with the people I'm trying to understand. Because I like to cut out the potential for propaganda when I am investigating Q supporters, and talking to you here is the best way to do that.
It's as if everyone here assumes that every semi-intelligent nonbeliever on the planet is simply going to stand aside and do weeks of research while the Q Team arrests and executes our politicians and business leaders.
I know that people here have continuously assumed I am here for nefarious reasons on the basis that I have not capitulated to Q Theories after reading the evidence. As if no intelligent person can possibly require a better standard of proof than you did to accept Q's Truth.
But I will continue to insist, to the best of my knowledge, that I am a pretty good harbinger for the readiness of the Great Awakening, because exactly none of the questions I ask or points I make are going to be ones that are not made by regular, non-corrupt, non-Cabal, mostly honest people with actual authority and resources to stand against the Q Team.
I can tell you right now that if some nameless military agent started trying to arrest Democratic politicians and execute them, and when questioned, told me to read Devolution and I would "get it", I would try to stop that person, because I'm not going to let someone get kidnapped and executed on the possible delusion of someone.
So I'm hoping there HAS to be better evidence coming, for the sake of me and the many people like me, because otherwise, Q is going to have to gun down a lot of well-meaning people who aren't willing to give Q and Trump the benefit of the doubt and do weeks of research in order to justify Trump's apparently legal return. That research is going to need to be done, revealed, exposed widely, and packaged in a way that will convinced a cop who is unwilling to lower their gun from Q's operators long enough to read Patel Patriot.
The evidence of the great awakening is difficult to deny at this point, anon. It should be clear to everyone we are in an information war.
Perhaps it should be clear to everyone.
So why isn’t it?
Why does Q still have to rely on disinformation and secrecy and plausible deniability if the evidence already out there “should be clear to everyone”?
And as long as Q is still playing optics, still apparently hiding his probable role in carrying out justice, and as long as plausible deniability must exist, then Q is actively making it harder to prove the Plan, on purpose.
That is completely unaffected by whether or not Reddit permits Q posts. That has to do with the actions Q is purposefully taking to hide his identity and the proof of his actions (such as McCain’s arrest and execution, for instance).
So why do you blame people for being skeptical of Q’s claims when Q is still taking so many steps to hide the Plan’s existence and results from the world?