I worked as a plane handler and was also a plane captain on 2 different carriers. Padeyes just don't fail, there is a maintenance procedure performed to test if they are good or if they are needing to be replaced once in port (can't remember the maintenance period but seemed like quarterly)and planes typically have at least 6 chains during flight ops unless moving, such as moving to the catapult or after recovery or respot.
If I remember correctly 10 chains were used after flight ops secure and in some cases I remember 18 chains being used in rough seas (it has been several years so memory may be a little sketchy), but that's what i remember. The tie down chains have a capacity of 10,000 pounds each. Although I have seen them fail, its not all the chains failing at once. I was on the Midway moving an A6 when it took its historic roll. The plane was just hooked up to the tractor, but it didn't go over the side, but chocks and chains were put on very quickly. Seems the Navy has changed considerably since I was in.
Not Navy, Marine Corps, but I have 2 years sea duty on the flight deck of Nimitz-class carriers.
When a plane is not involved in flight ops or being moved, it's tied down with chains (there are padeyes built into the deck).
If a padeye or chain failed, it's not out of the question that everything was done correctly, but the plane still went overboard.
TGP has very clickbaitish titles, always equating everything that happens to Biden's incompetence. While I agree with the sentiment, this particular incident likely has nothing to do with "Biden's Woke Military".
You're most welcome. I was an airframes mechanic - the plane captains usually tied things down, so I'm definitely not an expert. I've never heard of a tie-down chain failing, but I imagine they do sometimes.
Just before I reported onboard my ship, they were returning from a North Atlantic run. Pretty horrible weather and heavy seas had actually punched one of the anchors through the side of the ship, there was a 6 foot crack in the superstructure, and they had lost an aircraft and the attached tractor. When they were moving it below decks to the hangar bay, the ship took a heavy roll and the aircraft started to go off the elevator, the sailor on the tractor bailed off before the aircraft dragged the tractor into the North Atlantic. As I said, I wan't onboard for that deployment, but I was thoroughly informed by everyone when I checked onboard. A Navy ship is like a high school with gossip, it spreads like wildfire.
Super Hornets are 20 years old, and not much different than the regular Hornets (40+ years old)... the Chinese likely have had full specs on that airframe for quite awhile.
If there is a sudden change in the weather this can happen, but most ships can spot things like a microburst coming. But if its during a RAS as this was the ship can't change course to avoid it.
In very heavy weather aircraft do go swimming, no matter how many lashing are attached. By heavy weather I mean that the flight deck and all weatherdecks are out of bounds because of severe H20 spillages.
Of course its possible.
Blow enough wind over the top of a plane and it will...... actually..... FLY!
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I worked as a plane handler and was also a plane captain on 2 different carriers. Padeyes just don't fail, there is a maintenance procedure performed to test if they are good or if they are needing to be replaced once in port (can't remember the maintenance period but seemed like quarterly)and planes typically have at least 6 chains during flight ops unless moving, such as moving to the catapult or after recovery or respot. If I remember correctly 10 chains were used after flight ops secure and in some cases I remember 18 chains being used in rough seas (it has been several years so memory may be a little sketchy), but that's what i remember. The tie down chains have a capacity of 10,000 pounds each. Although I have seen them fail, its not all the chains failing at once. I was on the Midway moving an A6 when it took its historic roll. The plane was just hooked up to the tractor, but it didn't go over the side, but chocks and chains were put on very quickly. Seems the Navy has changed considerably since I was in.
That's great feedback u/MiyamotoMusashi1 👈🏻
Thank you for that explanation!
You're welcome. Had to go way back to remember that "esoteric" knowledge.
I visited the Midway in San Diego. It's a very cool ship. Amazing really. Thanks again.
It was my pleasure. Haven't visited her, but would like to.
Not Navy, Marine Corps, but I have 2 years sea duty on the flight deck of Nimitz-class carriers.
When a plane is not involved in flight ops or being moved, it's tied down with chains (there are padeyes built into the deck).
If a padeye or chain failed, it's not out of the question that everything was done correctly, but the plane still went overboard.
TGP has very clickbaitish titles, always equating everything that happens to Biden's incompetence. While I agree with the sentiment, this particular incident likely has nothing to do with "Biden's Woke Military".
If one padeye would fail would there be others that would hold? How many chains did you typically use?
Everything about this is above my pay grade so thank you for your feedback. Most appreciated u/PompeiusMagnus 👈🏻
You're most welcome. I was an airframes mechanic - the plane captains usually tied things down, so I'm definitely not an expert. I've never heard of a tie-down chain failing, but I imagine they do sometimes.
What were its pronouns?
It was a Trans-Continental fighter plane for sure. It would need to stick its hose in the funnel a few times, but it could do it.
Just before I reported onboard my ship, they were returning from a North Atlantic run. Pretty horrible weather and heavy seas had actually punched one of the anchors through the side of the ship, there was a 6 foot crack in the superstructure, and they had lost an aircraft and the attached tractor. When they were moving it below decks to the hangar bay, the ship took a heavy roll and the aircraft started to go off the elevator, the sailor on the tractor bailed off before the aircraft dragged the tractor into the North Atlantic. As I said, I wan't onboard for that deployment, but I was thoroughly informed by everyone when I checked onboard. A Navy ship is like a high school with gossip, it spreads like wildfire.
Super Hornets are 20 years old, and not much different than the regular Hornets (40+ years old)... the Chinese likely have had full specs on that airframe for quite awhile.
If there is a sudden change in the weather this can happen, but most ships can spot things like a microburst coming. But if its during a RAS as this was the ship can't change course to avoid it.
In very heavy weather aircraft do go swimming, no matter how many lashing are attached. By heavy weather I mean that the flight deck and all weatherdecks are out of bounds because of severe H20 spillages.