Patriots in control?
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I support free speech no matter how stupid that speech may be. The gov't needs to butt out.
Yes, free speech, but the comment referenced in that letter is clearly incitement.
Saying something like, "the roe v Wade decision is fucking bullshit and this country is headed to hell because of these dickheads" is drastically different than calling for the slaughter of people and burning of buildings because of your ideological differences.
"Trump and anyone who supports him is a Nazi. Slaughter them all!! Burn every government building down!!!"
Maybe people disagree and think we should be able to say this type of thing and not have any consequences? I'm interested to hear, honestly.
I believe people should be able to say what ever they want.
However, I also believe that if we are held to account for anything we say or do, they should be too. It has been one sided for a long time, so stuff like this would be just desserts. If they don't like it, they can get some perspective and realize that they were wrong to suppress speech they didn't agree with.
Yeah that line of thinking is what people use to justify marginalization.
"Well black people were treated like crap, now it's whitty's turn"
How about instead we embrace INDIVIDUAL responsibility and stop buying into tribalistic bullshit. They haven't been given a pass they are simply used and exploited by those in power. Just because the dictator agrees with you doesn't mean you should cheer on the boot.
This whole movement accepts a plan that causes or allows death and destruction to awaken people, but you can't handle when the other side is laughed at for getting a slap on the wrist?
This truly is the new peak of clown world.
They need to learn their lessons in order to understand that suppressing people is wrong. That's the only way they'll ever come to your defense when they kick your door down.
In my case, I don't think this should happen but I am in favor of them being held to the same accountability that we have been forced into having for our speech; I would suggest you get over it.
We need to be consistent. If we argue for removing censorship from public communications, it must apply for everyone, including the misguided fools on the other side. There is no threat expressed and so this should not be censored.
Incitement to violence, perhaps?
How long before "I dislike x" becomes "incitement of violence"
Incitement is already unprotected speech outside the scope of the first amendment and it has elements. (1) intended to produce imminent lawless action, and (2) likely to produce such action.
The "imminency" requirement is the most developed term in modern jurisprudence.
So let's say some glowie gets a bunch of white supremacists together at a rural ranch and says we should "take revenge on the government if they continue to suppress the white race", that's not incitement because of no imminence.
However, if the KKK got in front of a black rape suspect's home and they say "let's burn down his house!" then that's incitement.
To answer your question more directly, as long as courts view what a "reasonable" person would likely construe as calling to violence, then we're good. But you have a point long term if we lose a culture war, because societal standards about what is "likely to produce" such action can change
Maybe it was the "burn down every federal building right now and slaughter them all" part that seemed threatening, I dunno
Then you do an inquiry. You don't threaten someone for "unwelcome remarks" and tell them to cease and desist. Unless you can prove the threat, this is massive overstepping.
Continuum from frustration to hatred to aspiration to planning and action. This is way at the beginning side. Remember, people prove every day that they have a right to be stupid...sad but notillegal
Right, this is not illegal because it is not personal or focused on a small number of targets; and there is no credible data suggesting the actual ABILITY to carry out the act exists.
That would be a LOT of burning and slaughtering; a person would need an organization and tons of heavy equipment and fire accelerant chemicals, etc.
Yep! Freedom means standing up for those you disagree with. If this letter is real, then we need to stand in solidarity with the person being harassed by the government. Even though I don't agree with them, I support their right to speak it without fear or intimidation. This person needs to get a civil rights attorney and sue for harassment.
This.
Agreed. Even if this was real, it would be because democrats are tyrants and dont tolerate rebellion, even from antifa.
Tho some pedes above figured out this is probably fake.