Another reason to not donate to the RNC
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It will take less time to do that than to destroy one party and build another from scratch.
And it is NOT an "idealistic" view. I did it in real time with real people. It is a practical view, from experience. You are the one with the idealistic view, no experience, and imagining (1) that stamping out the vermin is not necessary, and (2) it is no problem to build the structure of a new party from scratch.
You are complaining that "the Party" has taken too much time to correct itself? I have heard that complaint before. And my question to you is: what have you done to effect the correction? In my union campaign, I met many right-thinking but feckless people who complained about the union and its policies, but always refused to get involved to reform it. "Oh, it can't be reformed." After we reformed it, that argument wasn't heard much more.
Besides which, walking away from the GOP and leaving the RINOs in charge is just offering them an opportunity to (1) denounce us as a failed brand and keep the special interest money flowing, and (2) inject MAGA-fakes into the new party to undermine it and make it ineffectual. Why would you allow that kind of pest to remain in existence? (Your approach assures that they would.)
The "Party" is always the people, which you seem not to understand (and makes me think your concern for the party lacks any real identity with the party). The people are coming to the fore by killing off the RINOs in primaries. With God's blessing, there will be a red MAGA victory this fall, and that will mean a turning of the tide. If you want to help, get your oars ready. According to the adage: lead, follow, or get out of the way. Carping on the sidelines is useless.
I'm curious, does this reformed union you speak of contribute money to any political campaign's? Care to show a list?
A list of what? As far as I know, there were never any political contributions from union funds, even before the coup. (The union did submit dues to other labor organizations, and because money is fungible, it is possible it was ultimately used politically. I have no knowledge it was.) That sort of thing was a political hot potato in the union, so it was scrupulously avoided.
It was the Society of Professional Engineering Employees in Aerospace, headquartered in Seattle, Washington, and mostly pertaining to The Boeing Company and Spirit Aerospace (the successor to Boeing Wichita). The ousted executive director was Charles Bofferding. I've been gone for a long time, so I can't vouch for current conditions. All my political allies have also retired.
Thanks for the reply. BTW, you may want to delete info. that could potentially be used to doxx you.
I believe the root cause of our disagreeing positions involve how we view the republican party. You see it from a "glass half full" perspective, whereas I see it from a "glass half empty" perspective. Actually, I view it as the glass being empty, and shattered, with the few remaining drops of water running off the table in need of a new glass- and fast.
I am going to try not to be overly long winded here, because I know my position will not change at any time in the foreseeable future, and I suspect that yours will not either.
While I could fill enough filing cabinets with documentation of the many incident's displaying the republican party's repeated dereliction of duty to sink a cargo ship, I will simply point out that the failings of the party are not isolated incident's, and in fact fit a long standing pattern of behavior that shows the party to be beyond simple repair, or reform.
•George Bush Sr. Father of the phrase "New World Order; thousand points of light." Founder of the "Free Trade" agreements with communist China that his uniparty successor Bill Clinton signed into law.
That all happened 30 years ago. The Republican party did that. But conservative voters- and more importantly, big $ corporate funding gave the (R) party a free pass.
•Bill Clinton White Water scandal. Bill and Hillary should have been locked up. Instead the republican party turned the criminal, independent council endeavor into "blowjob gate" and let the crooks off the hook, and never pursuing their criminal enterprise since.
•John Brennan. How did the republican party allow a communist to head the CIA? Who was prosecuted for the MK Ultra program? Bill Clinton said "we're sorry," and the (R) party called it good, now forget it about peasants.
•Bush Jr. Who did the republican party prosecute for the "weapons of mass destruction" lies? Let's do the "Patriot Act" instead. The republican party did that.
•Hussein. The criminally incompetent (R) party can't even figure out how to read a birth certificate. Sure they "can't."
Benghazi murders. Prosecutions= 0. Are you starting to see a pattern yet?
Hillary Clinton's stolen "special access protocol" national security secrets found on her (illegal to even own) basement server. Hang on, the (R) party will get right on that. BTW, who gave congressional approval for James Comey to head the FBI? Lois Learner, and (R) party No Name McCain working hand-in-hand to use IRS "financially ruinous" audit targeting of conservative business's. Republican party response- "no biggie."
...And all during this time, the best the republican party could spend all its money on was to push John [no name] McCain, Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney to try to become our president! Meanwhile, (R) party operative, and close family member of the Bush Dynasty, tried to torpedo Trump's 2016 presidential run, knowingly giving Our nation to... Hillary Rodham Clinton.
...And this is all a really, really small sample.... The documented list of crimes that the party has failed to prosecute, or been actively involved in could literally sink a cargo ship.
NOBODY is fixing that party, as long as that party continues to get funding. And as long as corporate interests that want an alternative to bat-shit-crazy leftism do not have a viable, conservative, third-party option to support, and donate funds to, the current corrupt iteration of the republican party will continue to exist as a parasite on conservative voters, and continue to assist in this decades long decline of America.
The republican party is worse than useless, and this country does not have time to allow them to continue to provide false hope in place of real justice, constitutional safeguards, and America First policy. Defund the (R) party. IF it is truly capable of reform, then they can do it on their own time, with their own money, while sitting on the sidelines, while the real warriors take the field. We got a war to win.
I'm aware of your examples. I have been familiar with the John Birch Society critique of both parties since I was a child. So, it is not a matter of educating me about the past.
But according to your analysis, Trump could not have happened---could never have happened---which means there is a fundamental flaw in your theory of doom. Trump got more votes the second time around, the most ever for a sitting President. He is popular in a way I have never seen in my life (and I suspect in your life).
My point was practical. My union was similarly thought to be a permanent creature of the Big Kahuna. It was overthrown. You are confusing a long string of neglect and unconcern and accommodation, with a resistance based on intolerance of the past and hope for the future. So, yes, the Party can be "fixed," so long as you are willing to accept this will mean a political fight to the death between MAGA and RINO. But you don't have much choice. The spirit is there to fight this fight and if you want to stand in the sidelines and watch (and root for whom?), be my guest. There was only one successful third party in this country, and it was the GOP. Third party attempts since then have been pathetic (and I speak as a former member of the Libertarian Party).
Moreover, the fight is mandatory. You simply do not allow the enemy to retain territory, assets, and status.
Anyway, I hear what you are saying. I wish you could hear the voice of experience.