22He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. 23When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 25For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
From Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christb had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”
17then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
From Psalm 49
7Truly no man can ransom another,
or give to God the price of his life,
8for the ransom of their life is costly
and can never suffice,
9that he should live on forever
and never see the pit.
From Revelation 5
6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God,
and they shall reign on the earth.”
So you've reached a decision point in your argument. You told me the Bible is not correct. So it's either right or wrong, there is no partiality. You have to look at concepts from the ends of it, not the mainstream of it. So the Bible is true, there is a God who loves you and sent his Son to die for you, and gave you the Holy Spirit until the return of Christ, or disregard the whole religion. You cannot parse through what you find acceptable, then claim any part of Christianity.
To look at from, say, a muslim point of view, they believe in a vengeful god, to whom they must appeal to him, so that they may earn salvation by committing acts of violence upon non-believers. Obv. I'm looking at one of the more egregious beliefs of theirs. (See David Wood, YouTuber for info on Islamic religion, great resource). They believe Jesus existed, but was not the Christ, he was not in their eyes, the Son of God.
I'm not saying to deny Christianity means you have to put yourself in a make believe world where you believe A-Z of Christianity or you must oppose it, what I AM saying, is that you cannot say I believe D-J, M-P, and S-W, then claim you are a Christian, nor misuse Jesus' name for some sort of ... advantage? I don't know why you've brought him up in previous comments, like he is God, then he's not God, it's all very confusing. You can believe whatever you like about Jesus, but to use a Christian term or appeal to Christians (in what seems to me like a deceptive way), you must hold to some core tenets of the Christian faith. If there isn't a core, there's truly nothing there, let's circle back to the first paragraph. You have to take these things to their logical extremes or ends to truly know if there is actually truth in the message.
Many messages sound good, sound appealing, sound truthful. This does not make them true nor good. If someone tells you a thousand truths to get you to believe one lie, do you lump sum the good vs the bad then measure out the difference, or do you stand up against the lie, the bad. I assure you, that is why we are today where we are.
We need men who care, care about primarily their families, but also their culture, their children and grandchildren's society. They need to fight with everything they've got to promote strong moral values to the next generation. This is why the love and peace movement has no real steam.
You say if all I know is the Bible, then the Bibles is all I know, I disagree, I can never know the depths nor the riches of the Bible. It's the only book I can read over and over and glean new information from. I can live a personally better life because of the hope that lies within it. The wisdom books are an amazing blessing, and even atheists will read the book of Proverbs because of its great insight. I long for the day I could know the Bible, may a couple million years of heaven. I debated using the Bible, because you challenged me on the Bible. So why you're making the argument you making seems kind of irrelevant. I've debated a coworker on a waterjet machine using a waterjet operator's manual, because it was the authority on operations of the waterjet machine. The difference being I believe God's word is perfect, whereas man is faulted. In the Bible, God had told and inspired man as to what to say, so that it may be whole, lacking nothing.
66 Books, double incompletion numbers. Yes, I agree. The completion of the Bible occurs upon... the completion of the Bible, when Christ returns. We then get a fully rounded view of God's plan. If we had 77 Books, then I'd say welcome to paradise, here and now. To me, that's a scary thought.
We have different understandings. You require a story and take the Bible literally. I understand the Bible was written as a metaphor so people could easily digest it. I never said it was wrong.
When you take the Bible literally it holds you back and closes your mind.
Have you ever experienced synchronicity? Unity consciousness?
I am not interested in arguing with you about the Bible I am trying to help people realize that they do not need to wait around to be saved. That's all.
Yep. He let his emotions get the better of him. We all do because we are all human [3D]. It is a daily struggle.
He got better at controlling his emotions and eventually transcended physicality. [6D]
From 1 Peter 2
22He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. 23When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. 25For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
From Hebrews 10
Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All
1For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5Consequently, when Christa came into the world, he said,
“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
8When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christb had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
15And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
16“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”
17then he adds,
“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”
18Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
From Psalm 49
7Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life, 8for the ransom of their life is costly and can never suffice, 9that he should live on forever and never see the pit.
From Revelation 5
6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne. 8And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song, saying,
“Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, 10and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth.”
If all you know is the Bible then the Bible is all you know.
Raise your consciousness, raise your awareness.
So you've reached a decision point in your argument. You told me the Bible is not correct. So it's either right or wrong, there is no partiality. You have to look at concepts from the ends of it, not the mainstream of it. So the Bible is true, there is a God who loves you and sent his Son to die for you, and gave you the Holy Spirit until the return of Christ, or disregard the whole religion. You cannot parse through what you find acceptable, then claim any part of Christianity.
To look at from, say, a muslim point of view, they believe in a vengeful god, to whom they must appeal to him, so that they may earn salvation by committing acts of violence upon non-believers. Obv. I'm looking at one of the more egregious beliefs of theirs. (See David Wood, YouTuber for info on Islamic religion, great resource). They believe Jesus existed, but was not the Christ, he was not in their eyes, the Son of God.
I'm not saying to deny Christianity means you have to put yourself in a make believe world where you believe A-Z of Christianity or you must oppose it, what I AM saying, is that you cannot say I believe D-J, M-P, and S-W, then claim you are a Christian, nor misuse Jesus' name for some sort of ... advantage? I don't know why you've brought him up in previous comments, like he is God, then he's not God, it's all very confusing. You can believe whatever you like about Jesus, but to use a Christian term or appeal to Christians (in what seems to me like a deceptive way), you must hold to some core tenets of the Christian faith. If there isn't a core, there's truly nothing there, let's circle back to the first paragraph. You have to take these things to their logical extremes or ends to truly know if there is actually truth in the message.
Many messages sound good, sound appealing, sound truthful. This does not make them true nor good. If someone tells you a thousand truths to get you to believe one lie, do you lump sum the good vs the bad then measure out the difference, or do you stand up against the lie, the bad. I assure you, that is why we are today where we are.
We need men who care, care about primarily their families, but also their culture, their children and grandchildren's society. They need to fight with everything they've got to promote strong moral values to the next generation. This is why the love and peace movement has no real steam.
You say if all I know is the Bible, then the Bibles is all I know, I disagree, I can never know the depths nor the riches of the Bible. It's the only book I can read over and over and glean new information from. I can live a personally better life because of the hope that lies within it. The wisdom books are an amazing blessing, and even atheists will read the book of Proverbs because of its great insight. I long for the day I could know the Bible, may a couple million years of heaven. I debated using the Bible, because you challenged me on the Bible. So why you're making the argument you making seems kind of irrelevant. I've debated a coworker on a waterjet machine using a waterjet operator's manual, because it was the authority on operations of the waterjet machine. The difference being I believe God's word is perfect, whereas man is faulted. In the Bible, God had told and inspired man as to what to say, so that it may be whole, lacking nothing.
66 Books, double incompletion numbers. Yes, I agree. The completion of the Bible occurs upon... the completion of the Bible, when Christ returns. We then get a fully rounded view of God's plan. If we had 77 Books, then I'd say welcome to paradise, here and now. To me, that's a scary thought.
We have different understandings. You require a story and take the Bible literally. I understand the Bible was written as a metaphor so people could easily digest it. I never said it was wrong.
When you take the Bible literally it holds you back and closes your mind.
Have you ever experienced synchronicity? Unity consciousness?
I am not interested in arguing with you about the Bible I am trying to help people realize that they do not need to wait around to be saved. That's all.
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