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The most bizarre situation I ever ran across on the internet was being on an old site that is no longer around call IIDB Internet Infidels Discussion Board(2005-10 era). The mods were very careful to separate political and religious discussions. So I was on the politics board and this guy was making great points. He was so on point and eloquent that I even took note of his name etc.
A while later I got on the religion boards for Christianity and I notice this guy that is talking like a raving lunatic. He was fairly eloquent but he sounded like a freaking lunatic. He ignored basic facts and often went on rants that weren't even about the point being made etc... Same guy.
When I finally noticed I even when back to politics and checked to be sure. He was clearly intelligent. He always had the right facts and was totally on point in the politics boards, but when he posted on the religion board he ignored facts and drifted to his pet points to pull the argument in another direction so he wouldn't be seen as losing the real argument because he was losing.
It was truly amazing to me to see how the passion some people put into something like religion(or in the case of leftists their religion of big GOV Socialism) can make them devolve into blathering idiots when they were otherwise sane, intelligent, and skillful debaters.
It was Christians that fought the revolutionary war. And later ended slavery in the USA. AND IT WILL BE Christians that will MAGA. It is your leftist pals that censor you. Truth is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. That's why we are hated. But everyone lives of off the freedom we provide. All real men desire truth. Truth is Fundamental to life.. Lies lead to death..
Those who believe do not prioritize government over God. Live to serve; not live to govern over others.
So an atheist is incapable of fighting? of building? of telling the truth?
You completely ignore the truth... atheists (admittedly a VERY small number of them) also participated in all the things you listed. I would argue that the small number of them present had everything to do with them being discriminated against by Christians. In that era anyone that wasn't a Christian was viewed as an agent of the devil.
And for the record while I might be an atheist... I AM NOT A FUCKING LEFTIST. And they aren't my pals. I assure you they hate me maybe even more than you because like a black conservative can negate the race card I can and often do negate the religion card. FYI - I'm banned on both YT and Twitter for my politics.
Everyone is so busy being emotional about their pet religion they all prove my actual point. When overly emotional about a subject people tend to lose all sense of logic and sanity. I wasn't bashing Christians. I was simply making a point similar to the OP and the reply. Passion while sometimes a good thing can also be a bad thing.
The Constitution the will of the people provide freedom. Christianity does not. It was freedom loving Americans who fought together regardless of personal beliefs. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence was not an evangelical yet his ideas were true and his version of the Bible brought the teachings of Christ to an otherwise unwilling audience.
In my discussions with non believers they're receptive to the teachings of Christ because they make sense and are good values. They have issues with Paul and the religion he started and rightly so. Christians LOVE censorship because it allows them to shoehorn the Bible into discussions and argue that any opposition is literally satan and must be ignored. It wasn't die hard leftists forwarding me petitions to cancel Family Guy, it was my devout right wing grand parents. It wasn't Muslims in the 50s shaming and enforcing modesty standards it was Christians.
Christians are not the default good guys. In fact, they're the single greatest cause of Atheism acknowledging Jesus with their lips and denying Him by their lifestyle.
In the end God judges the heart. And there will be judgement for those, myself included, who damned people to hell in the name of Jesus. Your religion does not make you a good person. Your actions do. Specifically individual actions. You are not to blame for the actions of Christians past, but you don't get to claim the good things either. Only what YOU did will be on trail.
What was the subject material?
The web page itself was meant as a resource for atheists and agnostics. It has a discussion board that was mostly about religion but it also had that politics area. When I look back on it I think its safe to say that many of the atheists were just leftists their to bash on Christians. Ironically, a lot of Christians came to the board to argue with atheists.
This is the problem with these leftists. There pattern is quite clear. They find any sort of fringe movement they invade that movement and outnumber the real people involved. This allows them to takeover the narrative. They then throw money and political weight behind that twisted narrative in order to accomplish their own political goals. They've done this a dozen times in the past fifty years. Atheism, racial relations, LGBT, Islam, etc have all fallen victim to these tactics.
Look at LGBT. You now have gay against groomer etc. They want nothing to do with pedos yet the MAP BS has been placed squarely in their lap and the lunatics are attempting to normalize it. A gay man in 1970 wanted nothing to do with any of this BS. The leftist hijacked their movement and made it what it is.
Atheism has had the same problem. They start a movement like Atheism Plus. They make a list of things they view as important. They recruit. Within 5-10 years the list of issues has totally changed so much it has nothing to do with how it started. All the original people(the real atheists) have, for the most part, left. It becomes an echo chamber and falls apart.
Why? Because it started out with 3,000 actual atheists wanting to improve themselves and then 50,000 lunatic leftist show up and take over. They push an agenda that is mostly political and when you peal back the layers... yep they're lunatic Socialist.
Take a step back and look at it from a 50k ft view you will see the pattern I'm talking about.
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"I have sworn upon the alter of God, eternal hostility against EVERY form of tyranny upon the mind of man."
-Thomas Jefferson
If you're interested in sharing specific examples, I'll listen.
Otherwise your attempt to compare me to this other person and pass judgment on me is not only unfair, but pathetic at best...
Umm... To be clear I'm an atheist. I don't agree with most Christians but I respect their faith just like I would hope they respect my lack of faith. For the most part I agree with you. Many people on this board tend to conveniently ignore negative events from the past.
My point was that people tend to lose sanity when discussing subjects they are most passionate about. Confirmation bias is most likely to creep in to their thought processes the closer and more passionate they are about the subject.
The problem with leftists today is that they have been taught that emotion is all important. Thus when they discuss politics they become even more passionate and lose all logic/sanity. Its is a fatal flaw in the very foundational structure of how they function.
Its also the root of what the OP is talking about. The only way they can shore up their emotional stability is to push aside anything that disrupts it. Ignorance is bliss...