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I'd love to hear any actual evidence for that. All you've presented is an assertion and total blind trust in a horrendously corrupt institution.
Not a single protestant considers themselves to be an authority on anything - What part of me telling you that I follow God's Word alone haven't you been getting?
I'm quoting them literally. The only one distorting scripture is yourself.
Hahahahahaahh.
For starters, we just ignoring that The Old Testament exists in it's entirety now?
Secondly, there's not a single Biblical instance of Peter even visiting Rome - at best you can say he wrote from, "Babylon" once, which is universally used as a sinful place - therefore your Holy City would be a place of sin.
Peter NEVER is declared to have any authority over the other apostles, anywhere in God's word. He never acted as if he had authority over others. Nowhere does scripture say that a bishop from Rome has authority over other Churches. Nowhere was authority granted to apostles passed down to others from scripture.
What scripture DOES tell us is to compare false teachings of churches to come to the actual scriptures - the actual Word of God. His Word alone is our standard, not some corrupt group of humans. The apostles were shown at many times as being fallible, and certainly never infallible.
Nowhere did Peter claim to be the first pope, and nowhere does the rest of scripture support this corrupt idea.
It's again telling that you can't respond to the points I make to you. You choose to ignore the points I mention, or simply create an assertion that they are false with zero evidence. If you actually studied The Bible well enough to respond with evidence, you certainly wouldn't be proclaiming Catholicism. I pray that you truly find Christ some day, and stop trying to add to him. He and He alone is sufficient.
Except that every prot denomination interprets the “literal” scripture differently. Enough so that there is a new denomination every week.
You are deceived, and your heresy deceives you.
Except no, it's not US who are interpreting things differently/incorrectly. Scripture does not conflict with scripture. You're the one pulling hat tricks out of nowhere to try to fit things together. Not that you're even that aware of your own doctrine, apparently.
Again, you're incapable of defending your situation. You keep resorting to ignoring my statements, and then asserting that they are false. I've presented God's direct Word on the issues you brought up. You presented silence.
Based on that, why don't you tell me with a straight face which one of us sounds like he's being deceived?
Except that every prot denomination interprets the “literal” scripture differently. Enough so that there is a new denomination every week.
You are deceived, and your heresy deceives you.
So you're just okay with being unable to defend your belief in Christ? Really?
I have a hard time believing that your faith in Christ is even genuine, if you're going to behave in such a manner that ignores valid concerns and criticisms. You are acting as a child screaming, "NUH UH I CAN'T HEAR YOU" right now when you repeatedly double down on ignoring my statements and then acting like you're somehow correct.
If you don't know enough to even defend your faith, that should be severely concerning to you from multiple different perspectives.
You claim sola fide and sola scriptura
Neither of these false statements are inthe bible
Even satan has faith in God
Even Satan acknowledges Christ’s blood as the only way to salvation
You are in error and you refuse to listen, while you speak heresy out of your mouth that blinds your own eyes.
Faith without works is dead
Works demonstrate live if God
Faith alone is nothing
Repentance is the only thing we do that leads us to the salvinfic grave of the blood of Christ
Faith is worthless without repentance
You sure about that?
"Sola fide:"
Galatians 2:16 - nevertheless, knowing that a person is not justified by works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law; since by works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Ephesians 2:8–9 - 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 4:4–5 - 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
2 Corinthians 5:21 - He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:19 - For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Romans 10:9 - that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
Acts 16:31 - They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.
Seems pretty clear to me that the requirements for salvation are laid out as faith in Christ. Only our faith in Christ justifies us. Simply because the term, "sola fide" doesn't show up in The Bible doesn't mean it isn't taught all throughout the New Testament.
"sola scriptura:"
Acts 17:11 - Now these people were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
1 Corinthians 4:6 - Now these things, brothers and sisters, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos on your account, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.
Mark 7:6–9 - But He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. 7 And in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ 8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.” 9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition.
Galatians 1:6-9 - 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Seems again pretty clear that God's Word is His word, and we are not to be led spiritually by anything else. That doesn't mean churches can't have traditions or events outside of The Bible, but it does mean that they cannot teach it as scripturally based. Simply because the term, "sola scriptura" doesn't show up in The Bible doesn't mean it isn't taught all throughout the New Testament.
You know another term that isn't found in The Bible? It's, "The Bible." Yet the principles behind it are overwhelmingly present.
No, he doesn't. He believes in God, he recognizes His existence, he does NOT have faith in Christ.
Sure, doesn't mean his faith is in Christ, nor that Satan/Lucifer, or any of the other fallen angels are even redeemable such as we humans are. It's a non-sequitur.
...Do you hear yourself? Have you been paying any attention to this conversation whatsoever or do you just enjoy lying to yourself? Because surely you can't accuse me of being the one who is refusing to listen to God's Word. This is your FIRST attempt at even presenting anything more than an assertion. I've laid out plenty of Biblical truths for you, which you have promptly ignored. I'm not the one who isn't listening or trying to have a conversation.
And regardless, I'm showing you directly where my thoughts come from - straight out of God's Word. What you call heresy is The Bible, explicitly. That tells me everything I need to know about your view of things.
Sure, you're trying to reference James 2 here. Do you not remember the parts where I said that scripture adds to scripture, and will never be against itself? James is referring to the fact that if one is genuine with their faith, that they will be changed. It doesn't mean someone will be perfect, and it sure as heck doesn't mean that their works provide their faith. It means that works is a product of true faith. The faith itself is in no way redeeming of anything.
Why don't you read the context for James 2? You're only quoting a portion of James 2:24, but look at the surrounding verses so you can clearly see the context:
James 2:14-26 - Faith and Works 14 What use is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that? 17 In the same way, faith also, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” 19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20 But are you willing to acknowledge, you foolish person, that faith without works is useless? 21 Was our father Abraham not justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; 23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called a friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 In the same way, was Rahab the prostitute not justified by works also when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
Clearly, James is saying that you can know someone's genuine nature by their works. If someone has faith, there will be works shown in due time. You can tell who is righteous and who isn't by who has fruit of their faith.
Matthew 7:16 - You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Matthew 3:8 - Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
No idea what you're trying to even say here, try again with a readable sentence please.
What a moot argument. Faith and repentance go hand in hand. Repentance is a part of placing your faith in Christ - Without a repentance you wouldn't be turning to Christ in the first place.
John 6:44 - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Acts 5:31 - God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 11:18 - When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
Romans 2:4 - Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
Matthew 3:8 - Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
Repentance is a part of faith in Christ. Repentance is the recognition that we are doing wrong, and there's no situation in which we seek Christ without recognizing this fact. That doesn't mean it's our action that makes us worthy of Christ's free gift of salvation. His blood is sufficient, and enough.