No. The bible says they are the ones that are killed for their faith. They refused the mark and refused to bow to the new world order and lost their lives because of it.
Rev 7:4 They are the 12,000 sealed from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
7:4 "And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:"
Rev 14:1 "The Lamb and the 144,000
Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads."
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
THANK YOU! holy smokes how people don't read at all and figure this stuff out on their own is ridiculous. On top of that the 144k are jewish male virgins and people just skim right past that part LOL.
This man is a false witness. He teaches a pretribulation rapture. He teaches this abomination isn't the motb. If Christians would study to show themselves approved, they would be able to discern these wolves in sheep's clothing.
Did I say everyone else's is wrong? I stated a well studied fact and observation as it relates to this man. He teaches this abomination is not the mark, name or number. He teaches that Christians won't be here when the mark is unleashed. I stand by my words. He is leading many astray, therefore he is a false witness.
I’m glad you’re so sure of your dogma. I’ve found Christianity to be a miraculous mystery that has quite a few layers, rather than an exact blueprint of what’s going to happen and how.
Nope. If it was in there, someone would have noticed before the 1800s. The Bible says that we will be helped through the tribulation. Therefore, believers will live through it.
I have actually. Guess what it's not there. It clearly shows there being a escape and that God's elect are not appointed to His wrath. The pretrib doctrine wasn't even apart of doctrine until the mid 1800's.
People have to use terms like typology or shadow to justify that doctrine. Or they take one or two verses to support a doctrine that none of the saints in the begining subscribed to.
Even the puritans didn't believe this lie. Reading God's word in it's totality gives a clear picture of what this doctrine represents.
Yes that is the mainstream teaching you have there.
But once God showed me that the abomination that makes desolate has been set up in the temple, it changed everything.
All I can do is try to warn and show what has been shown to me. It's up to you to believe it or not.
I'd challenge anyone to not take my word (a stranger) for it. But to ask our Father, He will show it to whom He sees fit.
Sadly most won't nor care to really find His truth on the matter. It's much easier to believe what a man says that learned from another man and so on.
I can't make anyone believe the things God has revealed to me. All I can do is plant the seed, another may come to water it. For it is God that will give increase.
I've looked and never found anything to support the claim we have 72,000 genes from each parent. We have 20-25k genes from each parent, a total of 40-50K, not 144k.
I don't have the sauce, so take it with a grain of salt. But I read Dr. Crick who discovered DNA was interview by readers digest. He was asked how many genes he had found. He said 140k and suspects to find 4k more.
The thing is I'm not indoctrinated to believe what organized religion has taught.
Matter of fact I'm certain majority of the church's eschatology is flawed.
Raptured doctrine, 2 witness doctrine, MOTB doctrine, Daniel's 70th week prophecy doctrine, just to name a few.
There's new revelation being shown to the body of Christ in this season. So yeah I'm not opposed to new understanding on these topics.
Nope. My personal theory is that the number isn't exact (it's a symbol, like pretty much everything else in the book), and represents an immense crowd of the saved christians and the remainder of true hebrews (12 apostles X 12 tribes of Israel x 1000)
But the Bible says the 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of Israel, and then later in the chapter says that the number of Gentiles couldn't be counted. So for most of us, the 144,000 number is totally irrelevant.
Heard from a preaching that the "thousand" term was used to mean an uncountable crowd, as for the 144, it would mean that God would fulfill his promise to the Hebrews when they finally accept Jesus as their messiah, and that all gentiles would be equated to the hebrews for being baptized in the churches started by the apostles around the world.
No. I see nothing biblical to support that. And as pure blood, also never tested, not masked person, I say this humbly that I thank God I made the right choice in these.
But biblically speaking, it means I chose to walk in the Spirit not the flesh--as much as Id love to be in the faith hall of fame for that, its only bc the world we live in has grown so vile and cold that wise choices like this are notable. When in truth, they should be obvious to make.
The 144,000 are saints, 1/12 from each tribe of Israel. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the 144,000 are the only people that get to heaven. But later in the same chapter it states that the number of gentiles couldn't be counted. So the 144,000 is totally irrelevant to most Christians.
Yes this topic is and will continue to be debatable til the time Christ returns. I even heard a theory that they are all the children that were killed when Jesus was born.
I hope the video insipred thought and moreso the revelation that it's always been about the blood. How important it is that we not defile it. With what we're seeing in this season it's clear that the seed war from the beginning is at the heart of the matter.
God is coming for a spotless bride. We are the temple of God. We are made in His image. It's always been about the blood that God created from the beginning.
I just try to show everyone what God is telling us in these final days. To alter His creation is the same as adultery. He wants us to be chaste and not go whoring with false gods.
No. The bible says they are the ones that are killed for their faith. They refused the mark and refused to bow to the new world order and lost their lives because of it.
Rev 7:4 They are the 12,000 sealed from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
7:4 "And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed:"
Rev 14:1 "The Lamb and the 144,000 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads."
Rev 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
OK now I am realizing that Clarke's "Childhood's End" is a Satanic version of Rev 14.
Huh. Never realized that before.
THANK YOU! holy smokes how people don't read at all and figure this stuff out on their own is ridiculous. On top of that the 144k are jewish male virgins and people just skim right past that part LOL.
Seems people always look for some mystical connection to God’s Word.
Well that's where this is headed in case you haven't noticed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZZ7ZFTFmR8
This man is a false witness. He teaches a pretribulation rapture. He teaches this abomination isn't the motb. If Christians would study to show themselves approved, they would be able to discern these wolves in sheep's clothing.
Be careful with the whole, “My Christianity is right, and everyone else’s is wrong”, fren.
Did I say everyone else's is wrong? I stated a well studied fact and observation as it relates to this man. He teaches this abomination is not the mark, name or number. He teaches that Christians won't be here when the mark is unleashed. I stand by my words. He is leading many astray, therefore he is a false witness.
I’m glad you’re so sure of your dogma. I’ve found Christianity to be a miraculous mystery that has quite a few layers, rather than an exact blueprint of what’s going to happen and how.
Well when you are following your carnal mind and not in the Spirit, I can see how you can interpret and understand Christianity in many ways.
Lots of “Christians” in the past have announced that they, and they alone, know the true path.
Praise God you’re here to continue the tradition. 🙄
Read the bible you will find pretrib is there.
Nope. If it was in there, someone would have noticed before the 1800s. The Bible says that we will be helped through the tribulation. Therefore, believers will live through it.
We may disagree but i love you none the less. All that matters is is trust in Jesus with my life.
Dive deeper into who the "we" is that will get helped. There is a group that will be helped but it ain't us.
I have actually. Guess what it's not there. It clearly shows there being a escape and that God's elect are not appointed to His wrath. The pretrib doctrine wasn't even apart of doctrine until the mid 1800's.
People have to use terms like typology or shadow to justify that doctrine. Or they take one or two verses to support a doctrine that none of the saints in the begining subscribed to.
Even the puritans didn't believe this lie. Reading God's word in it's totality gives a clear picture of what this doctrine represents.
There are lots of Pre-trib, mid-trib, and post-trib Christians out there.
The best way to settle a discussion, if it is something that can be settled, is with a reasoned approach using all of scripture.
Let the discussions begin and everyone will learn more scripture!
The 144,000 are those who had to go through the tribulation in order to finally believe.
What is the great restrainer? The church. Once the church is removed then the antichrist reigns on earth as god. And the great tribulation begins.
Before this the church is caught up "raptured" to meet Jesus in the clouds.
Yes that is the mainstream teaching you have there.
But once God showed me that the abomination that makes desolate has been set up in the temple, it changed everything.
All I can do is try to warn and show what has been shown to me. It's up to you to believe it or not.
I'd challenge anyone to not take my word (a stranger) for it. But to ask our Father, He will show it to whom He sees fit.
Sadly most won't nor care to really find His truth on the matter. It's much easier to believe what a man says that learned from another man and so on.
I can't make anyone believe the things God has revealed to me. All I can do is plant the seed, another may come to water it. For it is God that will give increase.
I've looked and never found anything to support the claim we have 72,000 genes from each parent. We have 20-25k genes from each parent, a total of 40-50K, not 144k.
I don't have the sauce, so take it with a grain of salt. But I read Dr. Crick who discovered DNA was interview by readers digest. He was asked how many genes he had found. He said 140k and suspects to find 4k more.
The thing is I'm not indoctrinated to believe what organized religion has taught.
Matter of fact I'm certain majority of the church's eschatology is flawed.
Raptured doctrine, 2 witness doctrine, MOTB doctrine, Daniel's 70th week prophecy doctrine, just to name a few.
There's new revelation being shown to the body of Christ in this season. So yeah I'm not opposed to new understanding on these topics.
12 as completion of the self on earth
Squared as completion of all 'selves' on earth.
More analogous than literal.
12 x 12 = 144
Nope. My personal theory is that the number isn't exact (it's a symbol, like pretty much everything else in the book), and represents an immense crowd of the saved christians and the remainder of true hebrews (12 apostles X 12 tribes of Israel x 1000)
But the Bible says the 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of Israel, and then later in the chapter says that the number of Gentiles couldn't be counted. So for most of us, the 144,000 number is totally irrelevant.
Heard from a preaching that the "thousand" term was used to mean an uncountable crowd, as for the 144, it would mean that God would fulfill his promise to the Hebrews when they finally accept Jesus as their messiah, and that all gentiles would be equated to the hebrews for being baptized in the churches started by the apostles around the world.
No. I see nothing biblical to support that. And as pure blood, also never tested, not masked person, I say this humbly that I thank God I made the right choice in these.
But biblically speaking, it means I chose to walk in the Spirit not the flesh--as much as Id love to be in the faith hall of fame for that, its only bc the world we live in has grown so vile and cold that wise choices like this are notable. When in truth, they should be obvious to make.
No.
The 144,000 are saints, 1/12 from each tribe of Israel. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that the 144,000 are the only people that get to heaven. But later in the same chapter it states that the number of gentiles couldn't be counted. So the 144,000 is totally irrelevant to most Christians.
Yes this topic is and will continue to be debatable til the time Christ returns. I even heard a theory that they are all the children that were killed when Jesus was born.
I hope the video insipred thought and moreso the revelation that it's always been about the blood. How important it is that we not defile it. With what we're seeing in this season it's clear that the seed war from the beginning is at the heart of the matter.
God is coming for a spotless bride. We are the temple of God. We are made in His image. It's always been about the blood that God created from the beginning.
I just try to show everyone what God is telling us in these final days. To alter His creation is the same as adultery. He wants us to be chaste and not go whoring with false gods.
The life is in the blood.